Quote:So says the man who knows not his accusation's truth... I could be your boss, or your uncle, or the man who pays taxes for your section 8 house and food stamps. I assure you that my contributions to society far exceed yours. The assurance comes from my strong personal responsibility instilled from being "F*cking worthless trash" for too long as a young man. Life's lessons are memorable if you're paying attention.

I don't care how much money you make, you're still a worthless piece of trash, and any christian wouldn't dare defend their personal value by stating how much in taxes they pay or by trying to belittle the poor for what they don't have. You have perverted the teachings of christianity to such an extent they aren't even recognizable in the least.

Quote:A follower a Christ believes that David cast the stone at Goliath because of the dire position of the circumstances, and because of the lies people like you perpetuate we are now in dire straights as a country and species and world-wide war seems inevitable as the world's prosperity erodes. If you want deep conversation, I'm capable. If you want to call names, I'm also capable. Don't be children, and the belt won't come off.

You have done absolutely nothing on this board to make me think you are in any way, shape, or form even able to carry on a conversation at all, much less one of any depth. Anytime a topic concerning homosexuality comes up, you fill it with nothing but homophobic and hate filled remarks, yet bite your tongue on any of the dozens of posts made daily about the objectification of women as sexual objects? Not only are you a hate-filled simpleton, you aren't even a consistent one at that.

You are a disgrace of a human being, and quite frankly, people like you do far more to harm the world and their opinions of Christ than any of the people you have no problem judging.

(07-11-2012 10:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care how much money you make, you're still a worthless piece of trash, and any christian wouldn't dare defend their personal value by stating how much in taxes they pay or by trying to belittle the poor for what they don't have. You have perverted the teachings of christianity to such an extent they aren't even recognizable in the least.

You have done absolutely nothing on this board to make me think you are in any way, shape, or form even able to carry on a conversation at all, much less one of any depth. Anytime a topic concerning homosexuality comes up, you fill it with nothing but homophobic and hate filled remarks, yet bite your tongue on any of the dozens of posts made daily about the objectification of women as sexual objects? Not only are you a hate-filled simpleton, you aren't even a consistent one at that.

You are a disgrace of a human being, and quite frankly, people like you do far more to harm the world and their opinions of Christ than any of the people you have no problem judging.

Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

I don't know where you get that I'm preaching about Christ here, but to people like you whom have already rejected him there is no reason to. You've made your decision, and when you die of AIDS from being a queer we all know what's waiting for you.

I'm not sure how I bite my tongue about anything to do with women... it seems like you are stretching to villify myself, and doing a poor job. Often, when one begins to see truth they will become angry with denial just before they change. That's what's happening to you, and you are SO ANGRY with me because I got inside your head.... sorry, and you're welcome.

(07-11-2012 04:16 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 03:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So there were a lot of people that would just show up at venues, pick up someone, have sex, then go right back into the closet.

Don't ever call yourself Christians.

There's a reason queers have AIDS, and it's not anyone's fault except for the queers.. no matter how you want to sugar-coat it. Immorally, filthy animals get filthy diseases and die. Evolution is a *****, huh?

I am overwhelmed by your Christian charity and goodwill. I certainly believe white Republican Christians like you when you say that you hate the sin, not the sinner. You are certainly walking along with Christ

I can't possibly imagine why Gay people could ever think that good, Jesus-centered, Christians like you would bear the community any animus whatsoever. And why most Americans think that Christians richly deserve their reputation for hatred of Gays.

But at least you didn't call Gay people F A G s like you did earlier in the tread. Baby steps.

(07-11-2012 10:31 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 10:21 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 04:16 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 03:43 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  So there were a lot of people that would just show up at venues, pick up someone, have sex, then go right back into the closet.

Don't ever call yourself Christians.

There's a reason queers have AIDS, and it's not anyone's fault except for the queers.. no matter how you want to sugar-coat it. Immorally, filthy animals get filthy diseases and die. Evolution is a *****, huh?

You don't understand evolution nearly enough to use that term with any semblance of accuracy, and it's painful to know that people as undeservedly angry and unabashedly ignorant as you exist. You aren't any follower of christ, that's for sure, unless I missed the lesson on letting the lepers die.

F*cking worthless trash, that's all you are.

So says the man who knows not his accusation's truth... I could be your boss, or your uncle, or the man who pays taxes for your section 8 house and food stamps. I assure you that my contributions to society far exceed yours. The assurance comes from my strong personal responsibility instilled from being "F*cking worthless trash" for too long as a young man. Life's lessons are memorable if you're paying attention.

A follower a Christ believes that David cast the stone at Goliath because of the dire position of the circumstances, and because of the lies people like you perpetuate we are now in dire straights as a country and species and world-wide war seems inevitable as the world's prosperity erodes. If you want deep conversation, I'm capable. If you want to call names, I'm also capable. Don't be children, and the belt won't come off.

I can turn my TV to any number of (taxpayer funded/subsidized) cray cray channels to hear your logic. I don't give two blanks what you think the Bible says. Or your Harold Camping/Pat Robertson predictions of gloom and doom. Or what a crackpot like David Barton thinks the founders thought (as if he can read the minds of dead people).

(07-11-2012 06:33 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 03:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its refusing to fund any research on HIV/AIDS for the first three years of the epidemic.

You realize "funding research" comes out of congress, right?

Republicans had a three seat advantage in the Senate for 6 years of his presidency and never had the House.

I know it's fun to tag someone the bogey man, the blame gets spread pretty thin.

Actually, budgets are proposed by the President. It is true that many Dems didn't do much. But Confederate Dems (of whom there were many in the 80's) plus GOPers meant nothing coming out of the House or Senate as amendments.

The Executive has primary responsibility for answering for health crisises, through the Secretary of HHS. Unfortunately, Reagan was too busy trying to kill off HHS as a Cabinet department to actually run it.

(07-12-2012 08:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I am overwhelmed by your Christian charity and goodwill. I certainly believe white Republican Christians like you when you say that you hate the sin, not the sinner. You are certainly walking along with Christ

I can't possibly imagine why Gay people could ever think that good, Jesus-centered, Christians like you would bear the community any animus whatsoever. And why most Americans think that Christians richly deserve their reputation for hatred of Gays.

But at least you didn't call Gay people F A G s like you did earlier in the tread. Baby steps.

Not republican, and not white.

You're still gonna die soon from AIDS. LOL.

(07-12-2012 08:57 AM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 08:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I am overwhelmed by your Christian charity and goodwill. I certainly believe white Republican Christians like you when you say that you hate the sin, not the sinner. You are certainly walking along with Christ

I can't possibly imagine why Gay people could ever think that good, Jesus-centered, Christians like you would bear the community any animus whatsoever. And why most Americans think that Christians richly deserve their reputation for hatred of Gays.

But at least you didn't call Gay people F A G s like you did earlier in the tread. Baby steps.

Not republican, and not white.

You're still gonna die soon from AIDS. LOL.

Ok.."Constitution Party" perhaps? Or LaRouche? How do I die of AIDS if I'm negative?

I'll let you get back to your day...don't you have a Fred Phelps fundraiser to get to?

Quote:Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

No, I think christians should follow their namesake and truly strive to become christ-like. How many times did Christ fight anyone? How many times did he judge and condemn people for their sins? How many times do you remember him laughing at the thought of someone dying.

Don't you ever call yourself a christian, because you're as far from christ-like as humanly possible.

(07-12-2012 10:04 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

No, I think christians should follow their namesake and truly strive to become christ-like. How many times did Christ fight anyone? How many times did he judge and condemn people for their sins? How many times do you remember him laughing at the thought of someone dying.

Don't you ever call yourself a christian, because you're as far from christ-like as humanly possible.

Just because you see Christ as allowing people to walk all over him doesn't make it true. If God didn't see justice as important, why would he send famines and swarms of lucust? Why would he send a flood to wipe out people like you? You are unjust, even though you've convinced yourself otherwise.

You have a twisted view of Christianity, and understand very little about the Good Book. That's often the case when you only read the Clift Notes.

(07-12-2012 01:10 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 10:04 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

No, I think christians should follow their namesake and truly strive to become christ-like. How many times did Christ fight anyone? How many times did he judge and condemn people for their sins? How many times do you remember him laughing at the thought of someone dying.

Don't you ever call yourself a christian, because you're as far from christ-like as humanly possible.

Just because you see Christ as allowing people to walk all over him doesn't make it true. If God didn't see justice as important, why would he send famines and swarms of lucust? Why would he send a flood to wipe out people like you? You are unjust, even though you've convinced yourself otherwise.

You have a twisted view of Christianity, and understand very little about the Good Book. That's often the case when you only read the Clift Notes.

I hope you're a troll, because if not, you clearly missed the point of that cute little 't' that you see in front of churches.

(07-12-2012 07:42 AM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 10:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care how much money you make, you're still a worthless piece of trash, and any christian wouldn't dare defend their personal value by stating how much in taxes they pay or by trying to belittle the poor for what they don't have. You have perverted the teachings of christianity to such an extent they aren't even recognizable in the least.

You have done absolutely nothing on this board to make me think you are in any way, shape, or form even able to carry on a conversation at all, much less one of any depth. Anytime a topic concerning homosexuality comes up, you fill it with nothing but homophobic and hate filled remarks, yet bite your tongue on any of the dozens of posts made daily about the objectification of women as sexual objects? Not only are you a hate-filled simpleton, you aren't even a consistent one at that.

You are a disgrace of a human being, and quite frankly, people like you do far more to harm the world and their opinions of Christ than any of the people you have no problem judging.

Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

I don't know where you get that I'm preaching about Christ here, but to people like you whom have already rejected him there is no reason to. You've made your decision, and when you die of AIDS from being a queer we all know what's waiting for you.

I'm not sure how I bite my tongue about anything to do with women... it seems like you are stretching to villify myself, and doing a poor job. Often, when one begins to see truth they will become angry with denial just before they change. That's what's happening to you, and you are SO ANGRY with me because I got inside your head.... sorry, and you're welcome.

Uh..the US taxpayers fund religion to the tune of 70+ BILLION dollars a year. That's a lot more than is spent on family planning or even HIV in the USA. So take personal responsibilty for your own damn pastors mcmansion and don't ask me to foot the bill..mkay?

(07-12-2012 04:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 07:42 AM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 10:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care how much money you make, you're still a worthless piece of trash, and any christian wouldn't dare defend their personal value by stating how much in taxes they pay or by trying to belittle the poor for what they don't have. You have perverted the teachings of christianity to such an extent they aren't even recognizable in the least.

You have done absolutely nothing on this board to make me think you are in any way, shape, or form even able to carry on a conversation at all, much less one of any depth. Anytime a topic concerning homosexuality comes up, you fill it with nothing but homophobic and hate filled remarks, yet bite your tongue on any of the dozens of posts made daily about the objectification of women as sexual objects? Not only are you a hate-filled simpleton, you aren't even a consistent one at that.

You are a disgrace of a human being, and quite frankly, people like you do far more to harm the world and their opinions of Christ than any of the people you have no problem judging.

Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

I don't know where you get that I'm preaching about Christ here, but to people like you whom have already rejected him there is no reason to. You've made your decision, and when you die of AIDS from being a queer we all know what's waiting for you.

I'm not sure how I bite my tongue about anything to do with women... it seems like you are stretching to villify myself, and doing a poor job. Often, when one begins to see truth they will become angry with denial just before they change. That's what's happening to you, and you are SO ANGRY with me because I got inside your head.... sorry, and you're welcome.

Uh..the US taxpayers fund religion to the tune of 70+ BILLION dollars a year. That's a lot more than is spent on family planning or even HIV in the USA. So take personal responsibilty for your own damn pastors mcmansion and don't ask me to foot the bill..mkay?

Exactly how do the US taxpayers "fund" religion?

From where I sit people keeping more of what they earn, or are contributed, isn't the same as being "funded".

Here is the difference: Solyndra = Funded (they got a check)

Churches/all other non-profits ≠ Not funded - they keep their money

I can't make that easier for you to understand. I hope this helps.

(07-12-2012 01:31 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 01:10 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 10:04 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

No, I think christians should follow their namesake and truly strive to become christ-like. How many times did Christ fight anyone? How many times did he judge and condemn people for their sins? How many times do you remember him laughing at the thought of someone dying.

Don't you ever call yourself a christian, because you're as far from christ-like as humanly possible.

Just because you see Christ as allowing people to walk all over him doesn't make it true. If God didn't see justice as important, why would he send famines and swarms of lucust? Why would he send a flood to wipe out people like you? You are unjust, even though you've convinced yourself otherwise.

You have a twisted view of Christianity, and understand very little about the Good Book. That's often the case when you only read the Clift Notes.

I hope you're a troll, because if not, you clearly missed the point of that cute little 't' that you see in front of churches.

I mistyped b/c I'm at work (and in a hurry), and you make a good point with the cross argument... But I was referring to God, as Christ obviously did allows others to crusify him.

Some don't undertand the Trinity, and others don't belive in it... But if you belive the Bible you know God strikes down sinners in many ways. I happen to believe AIDs is one of his tools. Christ-like or not, I don't plan on being crusified by a bunch of moron liberals. Hope this clears up my post.

I do fully understand the trinity, but that is only being religious dogma and not found anywhere in the holy scriptures themselves so that is not pertinent to this discussion at all. As for you believing that God is punishing homosexuals with AIDs, you're confusing the god of the old testament to that of the new, and the god "who so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son so that those who believe in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life" isn't a God who would send a plague in which literally MILLIONS of people are afflicted through absolutely no fault of their own. Unless, of course, you think God doesn't care about black people.

(07-13-2012 06:44 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 04:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 07:42 AM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-11-2012 10:52 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't care how much money you make, you're still a worthless piece of trash, and any christian wouldn't dare defend their personal value by stating how much in taxes they pay or by trying to belittle the poor for what they don't have. You have perverted the teachings of christianity to such an extent they aren't even recognizable in the least.

You have done absolutely nothing on this board to make me think you are in any way, shape, or form even able to carry on a conversation at all, much less one of any depth. Anytime a topic concerning homosexuality comes up, you fill it with nothing but homophobic and hate filled remarks, yet bite your tongue on any of the dozens of posts made daily about the objectification of women as sexual objects? Not only are you a hate-filled simpleton, you aren't even a consistent one at that.

You are a disgrace of a human being, and quite frankly, people like you do far more to harm the world and their opinions of Christ than any of the people you have no problem judging.

Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

I don't know where you get that I'm preaching about Christ here, but to people like you whom have already rejected him there is no reason to. You've made your decision, and when you die of AIDS from being a queer we all know what's waiting for you.

I'm not sure how I bite my tongue about anything to do with women... it seems like you are stretching to villify myself, and doing a poor job. Often, when one begins to see truth they will become angry with denial just before they change. That's what's happening to you, and you are SO ANGRY with me because I got inside your head.... sorry, and you're welcome.

Uh..the US taxpayers fund religion to the tune of 70+ BILLION dollars a year. That's a lot more than is spent on family planning or even HIV in the USA. So take personal responsibilty for your own damn pastors mcmansion and don't ask me to foot the bill..mkay?

Exactly how do the US taxpayers "fund" religion?

From where I sit people keeping more of what they earn, or are contributed, isn't the same as being "funded".

Here is the difference: Solyndra = Funded (they got a check)

Churches/all other non-profits ≠ Not funded - they keep their money

I can't make that easier for you to understand. I hope this helps.

Tax deductibility of donations, property tax abatements on parsonages (as well as exemption for taxes as income to the pastor), 1.3 Billion a year to the Salvation Army in direct funding. 4 Billion a year to the Catholic Church in direct taxpayer funding.

Exactly how does Joel Osteen's Mansion being tax free and built with tax deductable donations serve any public interest other than his need to live in a mansion cheaply?

How were the 41 million tax free dollars Harold Camping used to 'proclaim the end of the world' serve any public interest?

(07-13-2012 08:53 AM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 01:31 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 01:10 PM)OLD DIRTY Wrote:  

(07-12-2012 10:04 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:Some people mistake truth as hate. Some people have ZERO concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Some people think Christians should accept immorality or hide in a corner while the rest of the world screws each other and the Christians foot the bill.

No, I think christians should follow their namesake and truly strive to become christ-like. How many times did Christ fight anyone? How many times did he judge and condemn people for their sins? How many times do you remember him laughing at the thought of someone dying.

Don't you ever call yourself a christian, because you're as far from christ-like as humanly possible.

Just because you see Christ as allowing people to walk all over him doesn't make it true. If God didn't see justice as important, why would he send famines and swarms of lucust? Why would he send a flood to wipe out people like you? You are unjust, even though you've convinced yourself otherwise.

You have a twisted view of Christianity, and understand very little about the Good Book. That's often the case when you only read the Clift Notes.

I hope you're a troll, because if not, you clearly missed the point of that cute little 't' that you see in front of churches.

I mistyped b/c I'm at work (and in a hurry), and you make a good point with the cross argument... But I was referring to God, as Christ obviously did allows others to crusify him.

Some don't undertand the Trinity, and others don't belive in it... But if you belive the Bible you know God strikes down sinners in many ways. I happen to believe AIDs is one of his tools. Christ-like or not, I don't plan on being crusified by a bunch of moron liberals. Hope this clears up my post.

My point exactly. There are people who WANT Hiv to kill people so they can revel in death. That's why they oppose mitigation strategies. There are tools to reduce HIV. But freaks like the above gentlemen want AIDS to kill as many as possible (needlessly) so they may profit from it as using it as talking points.

(07-13-2012 10:17 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  I do fully understand the trinity, but that is only being religious dogma and not found anywhere in the holy scriptures themselves so that is not pertinent to this discussion at all. As for you believing that God is punishing homosexuals with AIDs, you're confusing the god of the old testament to that of the new, and the god "who so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son so that those who believe in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life" isn't a God who would send a plague in which literally MILLIONS of people are afflicted through absolutely no fault of their own. Unless, of course, you think God doesn't care about black people.

If God created AIDS to punish Gay people, he certainly has some really bad aim.

No, god only cares about America.

Quote:Tax deductibility of donations, property tax abatements on parsonages (as well as exemption for taxes as income to the pastor)

Again, keeping their money isn't the same as receiving money.

Quote:1.3 Billion a year to the Salvation Army in direct funding. 4 Billion a year to the Catholic Church in direct taxpayer funding.

The Salvation does more good for people than the government ever will and our government doesn't fund the church it funds their hospitals, schools, and various other charities. Probably not a good idea either way as it blurs the lines between separation of church and state. Surely you see the difference between funding a hospital and giving money to a church?

Quote:Exactly how does Joel Osteen's Mansion being tax free and built with tax deductable donations serve any public interest other than his need to live in a mansion cheaply?

Joel Osteen is a joke. I personally think unless you live modestly on church property a pastor should pay property taxes. Any pastor who lives in a mansion will have to answer for it one day...and not to you, me, or the government.

Quote:How were the 41 million tax free dollars Harold Camping used to 'proclaim the end of the world' serve any public interest?

Ah...here's the real problem. How they spend their money doesn't serve YOUR interests or things you believe in. What if they spent that money on AIDS research? That would be ok right? Why does it matter how they spend their money? Its becoming more evident that you're a self serving POS.

Quote:Again, keeping their money isn't the same as receiving money.

Yes, it is. The final result is the same, and it affects the state the same, therefore outside of your little semantic argument you like to continue to have, it is the exact same.