(07-23-2012 03:41 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 03:22 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(07-22-2012 09:41 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  mark blaudschun‏@blauds

Word has it ACC and ND are considering 6 game a year plan with ACC teams plus other sports as part of a deal to bring ND to ACC

Called it.

Just wait until word comes out about the ACC allowing the Irish keeping their TV deal with NBC (with the ACC secretly sharing the revenue) until around 2025 when the ACC's deal with ESPN is up.

See that empty spot in the Coastal Division next Pitt...? That spot is for Notre Dame.

The give away was the ND/Wake Forest series. Actually, last season was a trial run that seemingly everyone overlooked.

Yup -- 2025 seems about right for full membership.

Trial run? Looking at last season, ND played Wake (11/5), Maryland (11/12) and Boston College (11/19) in a row near the end of the season. Add in Pitt and that would be 4 ACC schools that played ND last season. I suppose if you wanted to draw any conclusions from this it was ND was playing ACC schools deep into the season with BC being their second to last game. I suppose the only trial run that I see from this is that the ACC is willing to allow ND to be scheduled by ACC teams late right in the meat of the conference schedules - just like the PAC allows USC and Stanford to do the same. B1G does not allow their schools to schedule ND during conference play.

The only thing I can conclude from this is: the ACC may get more OOC games scheduled with ND because they - like the PAC 12 - will allow the member schools to schedule ND in the middle of the conference game schedule.

Edit: Looking at future ND schedules, 2012: 4 ACC (includes Pitt) , 2013: 1 ACC, 2014: 2 ACC, 2015: 4 ACC

Not so fast re: the B1G.
Notre Dame has Northwestern scheduled on Nov 15 in 2014 and on Nov 3 in 2018.

(07-23-2012 03:57 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 03:41 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...I suppose if you wanted to draw any conclusions from this it was ND was playing ACC schools deep into the season with BC being their second to last game. I suppose the only trial run that I see from this is that the ACC is willing to allow ND to be scheduled by ACC teams late right in the meat of the conference schedules - just like the PAC allows USC and Stanford to do the same. B1G does not allow their schools to schedule ND during conference play.

The only thing I can conclude from this is: the ACC may get more OOC games scheduled with ND because they - like the PAC 12 - will allow the member schools to schedule ND in the middle of the conference game schedule.

Not so fast re: the B1G.
Notre Dame has Northwestern scheduled on Nov 15 in 2014 and on Nov 3 in 2018.

Keep in mind that (1) The ACC is already committed to 4 non-conference games the last week of the season anyway, and (2) with all of the Thursday night games, ACC schedule has bye weeks scattered throughout the season.

When you factor those 2 things in, it's really no biggie to schedule ND in weeks 5 through 13.

(07-23-2012 03:33 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Wake getting a home game was surprising to me.

Yup -- in the modern ere (post 1977, or so) it's rare to see ND play a road game in a stadium (cozy as it may be) that seats a few as BB&T Field in Winston-Salem.

One would have thought that ND would have strong-armed Wake into playing that game in Charlotte.

(07-22-2012 09:41 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  mark blaudschun‏@blauds

Word has it ACC and ND are considering 6 game a year plan with ACC teams plus other sports as part of a deal to bring ND to ACC

I sure hope so... I can't wait to serve up some crow for Terry D to eat!

(07-23-2012 04:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-22-2012 09:41 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  mark blaudschun‏@blauds

Word has it ACC and ND are considering 6 game a year plan with ACC teams plus other sports as part of a deal to bring ND to ACC

I sure hope so... I can't wait to serve up some crow for Terry D to eat!

LOL ... me too!

I will, too. If ND partially joins for six games, I will eat crow.

The bad news for you guys if that happens is that I will be on this board a lot more....

I would say the good news would be that TerryD would be on the board a lot more. The bad news would be that the ACC is willing to accept ND as less than a full member in all sports.

(07-23-2012 07:53 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I would say the good news would be that TerryD would be on the board a lot more. The bad news would be that the ACC is willing to accept ND as less than a full member in all sports.

Just 3 questions:
What exactly was it that was bad about having ND in the Big East?
How many football games did ND agree to play w/ Big East teams?
How many Big East bowl spots did ND take?

(07-23-2012 07:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I will, too. If ND partially joins for six games, I will eat crow.

The bad news for you guys if that happens is that I will be on this board a lot more....

LOL ... And you are more than welcome here however many games it may be. And I"ll eat crow if it's 3 to 4. I enjoy your banter and the way you size up a situation with your lawyer's approach, building your case with facts on top of facts. And I certainly appreciate your comments against the gloating of the Big 12 supporters over the potential destruction of the ACC.

Question 4... why wouldn't the current "football schools" want the same deal? Why wouldn't the current "basketball schools" want the same deal for bball?

(07-23-2012 08:23 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Question 4... why wouldn't the current "football schools" want the same deal? Why wouldn't the current "basketball schools" want the same deal for bball?

This is the main reason that the big GOR and the ACC shouldn't consider this.

(07-23-2012 08:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 08:23 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Question 4... why wouldn't the current "football schools" want the same deal? Why wouldn't the current "basketball schools" want the same deal for bball?

This is the main reason that the big GOR and the ACC shouldn't consider this.

Yes, I understand - no long-term partial memberships - means to an end only.

Still, I really would like to know - in the case of the Big East, what were/are the terms of ND's partial membership? Also, I'll add - was there EVER any indication that ND would eventually become a full member of the BE?

(07-23-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 08:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 08:23 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Question 4... why wouldn't the current "football schools" want the same deal? Why wouldn't the current "basketball schools" want the same deal for bball?

This is the main reason that the big GOR and the ACC shouldn't consider this.

Yes, I understand - no long-term partial memberships - means to an end only.

Still, I really would like to know - in the case of the Big East, what were/are the terms of ND's partial membership? Also, I'll add - was there EVER any indication that ND would eventually become a full member of the BE?

no

(07-23-2012 08:41 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 08:26 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-23-2012 08:23 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  Question 4... why wouldn't the current "football schools" want the same deal? Why wouldn't the current "basketball schools" want the same deal for bball?

This is the main reason that the big GOR and the ACC shouldn't consider this.

Yes, I understand - no long-term partial memberships - means to an end only.

Still, I really would like to know - in the case of the Big East, what were/are the terms of ND's partial membership? Also, I'll add - was there EVER any indication that ND would eventually become a full member of the BE?

ND was never going to be a full member of the Big East. The BE wanted ND associated with the conference and has used them to help secure a few bowl games in the past. ND helped the BE negotiate the Gator/Sun Bowl tie in as one example. In exchange, ND could park its olympic sports in the BE and was able to have top notch competition for its BB team.

I believe there was an unwritten agreement where ND would commit to playing 4 BE schools a season. They never scheduled 4 BE schools in a season that I've ever seen. But honestly, I don't think the ND FB team could stomach playing 4 BE schools every year, and that's why it simply never materialized.

(07-23-2012 07:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I will, too. If ND partially joins for six games, I will eat crow.

The bad news for you guys if that happens is that I will be on this board a lot more....

I share everyone else's opinion Terry. You are welcomed to post here any time you please.

I still say that ND understands the ACC's stance, insisting on full membership for all members. What this alleged 6-game deal tells me is:

1) Those school presidents discussed (likely way!) more than the Orange Bowl. FWIW, Swarbick and Swofford could have easily hammered out an Orange Bowl agreement down here at the Washington Duke Inn. When school presidents meet, it's about conference membership.

2) The ACC, while understanding ND's need for independence, realizes ND's days as a (stubborn) indy are counting down, and they have something to offer ND, football-wise, and I'll post a quote from today's Raleigh News and Observer:

Quote:“You’re talking about a league that a year from now that will be 14 member institutions – all of them are basically in the top 100 academically of the institutions in the United States,” Swofford said. “We have the entire eastern seaboard and nine contiguous states.”

Translation: "We know you need to have Eastern Seaboard access, and to be aligned with like-minded academic powerhouses. And FSU (I kid).

This is what I predict happens:

a) I'm willing to bet $50 in straight cash that the ACC and ND have reached an agreement to establish a path for ND's full membership.

b) They (the ACC) are going to slow drip the details, the first being this supposed 6-game agreement. The part you won't likely hear immediately is the two parties agreeing to some sort of arrangement around ND's NBC new deal.

c) Sometime around a basketball season, the "full membership" shoe drops, likely close to 2020.

The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

(07-23-2012 09:25 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  I still say that ND understands the ACC's stance, insisting on full membership for all members. What this alleged 6-game deal tells me is:

1) Those school presidents discussed (likely way!) more than the Orange Bowl. FWIW, Swarbick and Swofford could have easily hammered out an Orange Bowl agreement down here at the Washington Duke Inn. When school presidents meet, it's about conference membership.

2) The ACC, while understanding ND's need for independence, realizes ND's days as a (stubborn) indy are counting down, and they have something to offer ND, football-wise, and I'll post a quote from today's Raleigh News and Observer:

Quote:“You’re talking about a league that a year from now that will be 14 member institutions – all of them are basically in the top 100 academically of the institutions in the United States,” Swofford said. “We have the entire eastern seaboard and nine contiguous states.”

Translation: "We know you need to have Eastern Seaboard access, and to be aligned with like-minded academic powerhouses. And FSU (I kid).

This is what I predict happens:

a) I'm willing to bet $50 in straight cash that the ACC and ND have reached an agreement to establish a path for ND's full membership.

b) They (the ACC) are going to slow drip the details, the first being this supposed 6-game agreement. The part you won't likely hear immediately is the two parties agreeing to some sort of arrangement around ND's NBC new deal.

c) Sometime around a basketball season, the "full membership" shoe drops, likely close to 2020.

The fun part is figuring out who #16 is. The likely suspects to be discussed ad nauseum here will be UConn, Navy (yea, I know I bring them up), Cincinnati, and Rutgers

While I'm currently on the Navy bandwagon, there's a certain school not listed above who I have mentioned at places on the CessPool Conference Realignment board -- no, not Tulane, but another southern school.

Hey, I hope you are right and ND does agree to join the ACC as a full member. Regarding who would be 16 (assuming PSU is not an option), I think the best 2 options would be Rutgers and Navy. I know a number of ACC fans are enamored with UCONN, but I don't care for them. I don't think UCONN will ever do much of anything in FB. Their upside in that sport is severely limited.

I'm guessing your southern school of interest would be Vandy? I'd be shocked if they left the SEC. Otherwise, I can't think of any other school that the ACC would have any interest in.

Navy will never join the ACC. We're an all sports conference. ND may potentially shake that belief, but at the end of the day that's what we do. Navy is not going to want to be a part of that, anyhow.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/nd-intere...ost-319918

Some more chatter involving ESPN Magazine's Ryan McGee

The post in question(Insider subscription required to read all of it)
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagocolleges/...in-the-acc

If we are talking about adding schools and need to get to 16 (assuming the ACC has to invite Notre Dame), the best thing we could do would be to trade Florida State to the SEC for South Carolina and Vanderbilt.