It needs to be 6 games for partial membership, as long as the games are broadcast by NBC with the ACC getting a percentage of the tv money. The ACC gets national exposure, Notre Dame locks in solid games, and still has their 6 outside games every year. Their Olympic sports are set, and all their east coast Alums get games. Their would need to be some other guarantees set up, but let the lawyers work on that.

I definitely want ND in Miami's schedule, even if this whole ND --> ACC thing doesn't work out.

ND is not going to do six games, no way, in my opinion .

I am very pessimistic that any deal of more than 3-4 games a year will be confected.

I think 4 games per year, but that does not give Notre Dame access to compete for championships in olympic sports.

Keep an eye on Notre Dame's 2014 & 2016 schedules where there are still 2 openings for each year (ND already has two ACC teams scheduled in 2014, 4 in 2015 and 3 in 2016.

(07-29-2012 06:52 AM)XLance Wrote:  I think 4 games per year, but that does not give Notre Dame access to compete for championships in olympic sports.

Keep an eye on Notre Dame's 2014 & 2016 schedules where there are still 2 openings for each year (ND already has two ACC teams scheduled in 2014, 4 in 2015 and 3 in 2016.

Then, what motivation would ND have to talk about this?

ND should just maintain the status quo and play two or three ACC teams a year, stay in the Big East and negotiate its own bowl deals.

Formilization of a scheduling agreement helps Notre Dame with contract access to the Orange Bowl, and helps the ACC with 4 games against a perceived "big time" opponent.

I think that they can get access to the Orange Bowl without a formal scheduling agreement .

I think that ND can schedule good teams without one, too.

But, hell, that is just my uninformed opinion.

Notre Dame motivation is access to the 6th & final contract bowl slot. The Irish can still get into one of the major bowls as an at-large without a deal with the ACC, but it won't be guaranteed and will depend on what other teams do. That's a very valuable thing, and don't kid yourself - Notre Dame needs a deal like that.

ND is at the mercy of conferences to still allow late-season ooc games in a 9-game environment.

USC and Stanford alternate a late November game in California with ND each season. There is an exemption by the PAC 12 to continue those games.

BYU is looking for a late November game.

Texas is looking for a replacement for the A&M Thanksgiving game.

ND will have options.

(07-29-2012 02:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame motivation is access to the 6th & final contract bowl slot. The Irish can still get into one of the major bowls as an at-large without a deal with the ACC, but it won't be guaranteed and will depend on what other teams do. That's a very valuable thing, and don't kid yourself - Notre Dame needs a deal like that.

Not at the price of six games straight jacketed with one conference every season, in my opinion.

I don't think an ND/ACC deal is going to happen. I would like a 3-4 game partial membership agreement or scheduling alliance, but I am pessimistic that it will occur.

I don't think that ND has any interest other than that. If there is not any deal, no hard feelings.

(07-29-2012 08:52 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Texas is looking for a replacement for the A&M Thanksgiving game.

It's called TCU.

(07-29-2012 02:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that they can get access to the Orange Bowl without a formal scheduling agreement .

I think that ND can schedule good teams without one, too.

But, hell, that is just my uninformed opinion.

Swofford likes things neat, in order and with no surprises. Notre Dame will have to give in order to receive.

(07-29-2012 08:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 02:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame motivation is access to the 6th & final contract bowl slot. The Irish can still get into one of the major bowls as an at-large without a deal with the ACC, but it won't be guaranteed and will depend on what other teams do. That's a very valuable thing, and don't kid yourself - Notre Dame needs a deal like that.

Not at the price of six games straight jacketed with one conference every season, in my opinion.

I don't think an ND/ACC deal is going to happen. I would like a 3-4 game partial membership agreement or scheduling alliance, but I am pessimistic that it will occur.

I don't think that ND has any interest other than that. If there is not any deal, no hard feelings.

I agree, 6 games a year with Notre Dame is too many unless and when the Irish acquiesce to full membership in the ACC.

(07-29-2012 08:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 02:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame motivation is access to the 6th & final contract bowl slot. The Irish can still get into one of the major bowls as an at-large without a deal with the ACC, but it won't be guaranteed and will depend on what other teams do. That's a very valuable thing, and don't kid yourself - Notre Dame needs a deal like that.

Not at the price of six games straight jacketed with one conference every season, in my opinion.

I don't think an ND/ACC deal is going to happen. I would like a 3-4 game partial membership agreement or scheduling alliance, but I am pessimistic that it will occur.

I don't think that ND has any interest other than that. If there is not any deal, no hard feelings.

My thinking has been similar, but I have to wonder how the OB and other considerations may affect ND's "interest".

Will there be any other "contract" bowls outside of the Rose, glorified Cotton, or Orange Bowl? Will the combination of the SOS component to the playoffs and the Big Ten's upcoming tv contract negotiations cause them to reconsider and play 9 conference games?

As I said before, I think a possible compromise could be a 5 game deal, where two are home games for the ACC and two are home games for ND and the fifth a season opener at a neutral site that is perhaps put out to the highest bidder.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-29-2012 02:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame motivation is access to the 6th & final contract bowl slot. The Irish can still get into one of the major bowls as an at-large without a deal with the ACC, but it won't be guaranteed and will depend on what other teams do. That's a very valuable thing, and don't kid yourself - Notre Dame needs a deal like that.

(07-29-2012 08:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Not at the price of six games straight jacketed with one conference every season, in my opinion.

(07-30-2012 10:24 AM)omniorange Wrote:  My thinking has been similar, but I have to wonder how the OB and other considerations may affect ND's "interest".

Will there be any other "contract" bowls outside of the Rose, glorified Cotton, or Orange Bowl?

Everything I've seen in writing (from a reputable source) says no - only 3 contract bowls, 5 out of 6 slots already taken, ACC controls the 6th.

Quote:Will the combination of the SOS component to the playoffs and the Big Ten's upcoming tv contract negotiations cause them to reconsider and play 9 conference games?

They were planning on going to 9 before the Pac-12 deal. Now that the deal fell through, I see no reason why the Big Ten wouldn't go back to plan A.

Quote:As I said before, I think a possible compromise could be a 5 game deal, where two are home games for the ACC and two are home games for ND and the fifth a season opener at a neutral site that is perhaps put out to the highest bidder.

Cheers,
Neil

BINGO. I think this is the most likely scenario. It still leaves Notre Dame with one "open date" every year. Realistically, the Irish don't vary their schedule nearly as much as Terry D seems to imply... at least 8 games have been very consistent already.

I'm sure ND is trying to drive a hard bargain with the ACC - otherwise the Orange Bowl deal would have been signed by now. But in the end, that IS the carrot.

I don't think partial membership will be part of the deal... but I have been wrong before. I think partial membership would definitely carry a 6 games/year price tag, minimum.

(07-30-2012 10:35 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 02:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Notre Dame motivation is access to the 6th & final contract bowl slot. The Irish can still get into one of the major bowls as an at-large without a deal with the ACC, but it won't be guaranteed and will depend on what other teams do. That's a very valuable thing, and don't kid yourself - Notre Dame needs a deal like that.

(07-29-2012 08:53 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Not at the price of six games straight jacketed with one conference every season, in my opinion.

(07-30-2012 10:24 AM)omniorange Wrote:  My thinking has been similar, but I have to wonder how the OB and other considerations may affect ND's "interest".

Will there be any other "contract" bowls outside of the Rose, glorified Cotton, or Orange Bowl?

Everything I've seen in writing (from a reputable source) says no - only 3 contract bowls, 5 out of 6 slots already taken, ACC controls the 6th.

Quote:Will the combination of the SOS component to the playoffs and the Big Ten's upcoming tv contract negotiations cause them to reconsider and play 9 conference games?

They were planning on going to 9 before the Pac-12 deal. Now that the deal fell through, I see no reason why the Big Ten wouldn't go back to plan A.

Quote:As I said before, I think a possible compromise could be a 5 game deal, where two are home games for the ACC and two are home games for ND and the fifth a season opener at a neutral site that is perhaps put out to the highest bidder.

Cheers,
Neil

BINGO. I think this is the most likely scenario. It still leaves Notre Dame with one "open date" every year. Realistically, the Irish don't vary their schedule nearly as much as Terry D seems to imply... at least 8 games have been very consistent already.

I'm sure ND is trying to drive a hard bargain with the ACC - otherwise the Orange Bowl deal would have been signed by now. But in the end, that IS the carrot.

I don't think partial membership will be part of the deal... but I have been wrong before. I think partial membership would definitely carry a 6 games/year price tag, minimum.

I'd say that there are eight "regular" games on ND's schedules:

USC
Michigan
Michigan State
Stanford
Purdue
Navy
BC
Pitt

Two of those are ACC teams (Pitt, BC)

That leaves five "regulars", plus seven other games (Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona State, BYU, Northwestern, Temple, Air Force, UMass, Army) scheduled on a rotating basis through 2020.

If ND plays six ACC teams per season, that greatly restricts its ability to play its non-ACC "regulars" plus the other rotating schools on its schedule.

I don't think that one "open date" per year is going to cut it, schedule wise.



2012 Football Schedule

S01 vs. Navy (IRE) 9am CBS
S08 PURDUE 3:30pm NBC
S15 @ Michigan State 8pm ABC
S22 MICHIGAN 7:30pm NBC
O06 vs. Miami (Chi) 7:30pm NBC
O13 STANFORD 3:30pm NBC
O20 BYU 3:30pm NBC
O27 @ Oklahoma
N03 PITTSBURGH 3:30pm NBC
N10 @ Boston College
N17 WAKE FOREST 3:30pm NBC
N24 @ Southern Cal


2013 Football Schedule

A31 TEMPLE
S07 @ Michigan
S14 @ Purdue
S21 MICHIGAN STATE
S28 OKLAHOMA
O05 ARIZONA STATE (Dallas)
O19 SOUTHERN CAL
N02 NAVY
N09 @ Pittsburgh
N16 BYU
@ Air Force
@ Stanford


2014 Football Schedule

l S06 @ Navy
S13 PURDUE
S20 MICHIGAN
S27 SYRACUSE (Meadowlands)
O11 @ Temple
O25 @ Arizona State
N08 PITTSBURGH
N15 NORTHWESTERN
N29 @ Southern Cal
STANFORD
2 games TBA


2015 Football Schedule

l S05 TEXAS
S12 @ Michigan
S19 @ Purdue
S26 TEMPLE
O10 NAVY
O17 SOUTHERN CAL
N07 WAKE FOREST
N14 @ Pittsburgh
N21 SYRACUSE
@ Boston College
UMASS
@ Stanford


2016 Football Schedule

S03 @ Texas
S10 MICHIGAN
S17 STANFORD
S24 @ Michigan State
O01 PURDUE
O08 MIAMI
O15 @ Navy
O29 PITTSBURGH
N19 @ Army
N26 @ Southern Cal
BOSTON COLLEGE
2 games TBA


2017 Football Schedule

S09 @ Michigan
S16 ARIZONA STATE
S23 MICHIGAN STATE
O07 SYRACUSE
O21 NAVY
N25 @ Miami
SOUTHERN CAL
@ Purdue
@ Stanford
3 games TBA


2018 Football Schedule

N03 @ Northwestern
N24 @ Southern Cal
PURDUE
BOSTON COLLEGE
@ Navy
STANFORD
6 games TBA


2019 Football Schedule

A31 @ Texas
SOUTHERN CAL
NAVY
@ Purdue
@ Boston College
@ Stanford
6 games TBA


2020 Football Schedule

S12 TEXAS
N28 @ Southern Cal
MICHIGAN
PURDUE
@ Navy
7 games TBA

ND isn't worth it as a partial member. I am honestly tired of them getting special treatment too. They are probably going to get a high end game at 9-3 in these new scenarios. No other school would get that. Not even an SEC school gets that guaranteed. They aren't special enough to warrant these exemptions. And I don't want them as a partial member either. Let them play a lot of other sports against the crap in the Big East.

Terry, I think there's one thing you are not getting... the ACC isn't likely to agree to an Orange Bowl tie-in for Notre Dame AND have you flirting with the Big XII (Oklahoma '12 & '13; Texas '15 & '16) given the bad-blood between the 2 conferences now. We have nothing against the Big Ten or Pac-12, but saying you need more open dates so you can schedule more Big XII teams isn't going very far towards sowing up a New Year's Day bowl spot for the Irish (IMHO).

Remain single if you wish... try to date women who are rivals and end up with a dead rabbit in the bath tub. Just sayin' - not cool.

(07-30-2012 01:47 PM)Ragu Wrote:  ND isn't worth it as a partial member. I am honestly tired of them getting special treatment too. They are probably going to get a high end game at 9-3 in these new scenarios. No other school would get that. Not even an SEC school gets that guaranteed. They aren't special enough to warrant these exemptions. And I don't want them as a partial member either. Let them play a lot of other sports against the crap in the Big East.

I think I'm with you, Ragu... I'm still in favor of trading an Orange Bowl deal for a football scheduling deal (just for ticket sales alone), but I'm no longer in favor of partial membership under any foreseeable conditions.