http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...57447854/1

Bowls are trying to organize to stay relevant in the wake of conference owned bowls and playoffs.

Hey Look... The Big East... has found... its champions Bowl.

(08-30-2012 07:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Hey Look... The Big East... has found... its champions Bowl.

I thought they already did... the New Era Pin Stripe Bowl? :007:

(08-30-2012 07:47 PM)7fielder Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 07:35 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Hey Look... The Big East... has found... its champions Bowl.

I thought they already did... the New Era Pin Stripe Bowl? :007:

Give them some credit. it will be the Liberty Bowl. That's how Memphis got their invite. Once AQ was no longer a concern, Memphis was able to leapfrog many other more deserving programs because 1) They had the Liberty Bowl and 2) They are good at basketball.

Big East loves some basketball.

I still have a hard time believing these tales of going to a new network and getting 16 million to show SDSU, SMU, UCF, Navy, Memphis, UConn, Cincy, Louisville....whoeverelse

Really tell me the game of the week in that group?

(08-30-2012 09:22 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Big East loves some basketball.

I still have a hard time believing these tales of going to a new network and getting 16 million to show SDSU, SMU, UCF, Navy, Memphis, UConn, Cincy, Louisville....whoeverelse

Really tell me the game of the week in that group?

I stick by my belief that the nBE will get $12 mil/school all sports. Honestly, just slapping a new name on a collection of CUSA and MWC teams should not gin up an additional $15 mil/school just because... Does anyone honestly believe that basketball is worth $6 mil/school? That's the numbers that the nBE fans are throwing around...

(08-30-2012 07:19 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...57447854/1

Bowls are trying to organize to stay relevant in the wake of conference owned bowls and playoffs.

I've said before - everyone focuses on the "Champions" bowl in terms of the 4-team playoff. The bowl is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the playoff. The key in this conflict is the model of having a bowl owned by the 2 conferences - THAT'S the REAL ATTACK vector, IMO, and that is what the bowls want to fight. Bad enough the Orange Bowl has to give TV rights to the ACC... they certainly don't want to have to bid for the right to host the game, too! Big XII & SEC think they are so smart - now it's about to blow up in their faces (perhaps... would be fine w/ me!).

(08-30-2012 09:22 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Big East loves some basketball.

I still have a hard time believing these tales of going to a new network and getting 16 million to show SDSU, SMU, UCF, Navy, Memphis, UConn, Cincy, Louisville....whoeverelse

Really tell me the game of the week in that group?

SDSU-Rutgers, it's up there with Lakers-Knicks and Yankees-Dodgers don't you know?

(08-30-2012 09:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 07:19 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...57447854/1

Bowls are trying to organize to stay relevant in the wake of conference owned bowls and playoffs.

I've said before - everyone focuses on the "Champions" bowl in terms of the 4-team playoff. The bowl is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the playoff. The key in this conflict is the model of having a bowl owned by the 2 conferences - THAT'S the REAL ATTACK vector, IMO, and that is what the bowls want to fight. Bad enough the Orange Bowl has to give TV rights to the ACC... they certainly don't want to have to bid for the right to host the game, too! Big XII & SEC think they are so smart - now it's about to blow up in their faces (perhaps... would be fine w/ me!).

What can the bowls do about it though? If they ask for too much, they'll get cut out of the picture entirely. The only bargaining chip the bowls have is that they already have the local donations networks and bowl other activities already lined up. If the conferences wanted to they could develop those themselves and keep all the money.

I thought the Orange bowl giving the ACC all the TV rights would be the new model for bowls. They keep the premium seat to sell and give give to their local supporters and the Conference gets every thing else.

I don't see this biting the SEC and Big 12 in the ass. I see the bowl completely submitting to the conferences's wishes or they will go away.

Edit: You also have to wonder how much influence this organization will have when they hired the former Sunbelt commissioner.

I don't see much changing in the structure of the ancillary bowls.
A couple may move up a slot or two.
The 5 want their hands on the money from the playoff and the access bowls.
After that, they'll place teams in the secondary bowls as before,imo.
Don't think we'll see much of a fight there.

(08-30-2012 10:13 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 09:58 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 07:19 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/f...57447854/1

Bowls are trying to organize to stay relevant in the wake of conference owned bowls and playoffs.

I've said before - everyone focuses on the "Champions" bowl in terms of the 4-team playoff. The bowl is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to the playoff. The key in this conflict is the model of having a bowl owned by the 2 conferences - THAT'S the REAL ATTACK vector, IMO, and that is what the bowls want to fight. Bad enough the Orange Bowl has to give TV rights to the ACC... they certainly don't want to have to bid for the right to host the game, too! Big XII & SEC think they are so smart - now it's about to blow up in their faces (perhaps... would be fine w/ me!).

What can the bowls do about it though? If they ask for too much, they'll get cut out of the picture entirely. The only bargaining chip the bowls have is that they already have the local donations networks and bowl other activities already lined up. If the conferences wanted to they could develop those themselves and keep all the money.

I thought the Orange bowl giving the ACC all the TV rights would be the new model for bowls. They keep the premium seat to sell and give give to their local supporters and the Conference gets every thing else.

I don't see this biting the SEC and Big 12 in the ass. I see the bowl completely submitting to the conferences's wishes or they will go away.

Edit: You also have to wonder how much influence this organization will have when they hired the former Sunbelt commissioner.

Lower bowls hiring a former non-BCS commissioner to "fight for them" = shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic, fellas.

For this post, "lower bowls" = any bowl played before "Christmas" + the Liberty Bowl

Look -- the lower bowls were becoming irrelevant in the BCS era (and some can argue, "becoming?" and would have a legit point). With the playoff on the horizon, the lower bowls are becoming, at best, an endangered species.

I think this could have a huge impact -- for a group of major conferences that are excluding leagues and schools, based on this idea of tradition - then attacking the bowls - which have the bowl association is NOTHING new and provides an avenue many schools (even in major conferences) depend on for post-season action, payouts, and a boost in donors dollars from being a bowl winner - even minor bowls.

Cutting the feet out from under the tradition and foundation will not be good for college football. The bowls must be rolled into any post-season model going forward for success.

(08-30-2012 09:58 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 09:22 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Big East loves some basketball.

I still have a hard time believing these tales of going to a new network and getting 16 million to show SDSU, SMU, UCF, Navy, Memphis, UConn, Cincy, Louisville....whoeverelse

Really tell me the game of the week in that group?

SDSU-Rutgers, it's up there with Lakers-Knicks and Yankees-Dodgers don't you know?

Feel free to pick on many of those schools' fans, but Rutgers fans aren't exactly thrilled or delusional about this whole thing. The closest things we're ever going to have to marquee games is if its a late season game between us and Boise, Cincy, Louisville or maybe Houston provided both parties involved are Top 15 or better.

I agree with the others on here. I still say $11 million is what we get. About $8 million for football and $3 million for basketball. Maybe $12 million in an $8.5 million/$3.5 million split.

(08-31-2012 02:06 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 09:58 PM)wildthing202 Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 09:22 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Big East loves some basketball.

I still have a hard time believing these tales of going to a new network and getting 16 million to show SDSU, SMU, UCF, Navy, Memphis, UConn, Cincy, Louisville....whoeverelse

Really tell me the game of the week in that group?

SDSU-Rutgers, it's up there with Lakers-Knicks and Yankees-Dodgers don't you know?

Feel free to pick on many of those schools' fans, but Rutgers fans aren't exactly thrilled or delusional about this whole thing. The closest things we're ever going to have to marquee games is if its a late season game between us and Boise, Cincy, Louisville or maybe Houston provided both parties involved are Top 15 or better.

I agree with the others on here. I still say $11 million is what we get. About $8 million for football and $3 million for basketball. Maybe $12 million in an $8.5 million/$3.5 million split.

I only used Rutgers since they are the closest team to NYC for the LA-NY comparison, I didn't think UConn would work. Just trying make fun of the whole just being in a large TV market will get us millions belief. I mean if playing local teams couldn't boost ratings how the hell is playing teams from across the nation especially ones with little name recognition going to help?