(11-07-2012 12:42 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:34 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:29 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

I think totally legalizing it is the way to go. hand out licenses to grow Pot and send to manufacturers. Then allow manufacturers to distribute the same way cigarettes are. This way you can totally tax the sh*t out of it, from the farmer to the manufacturer to the consumer.

Pot is currently very easy to access, it is also very cheap. If I were pot smoker, I'd like the way things are now.

Which is why you undercut the drug dealers. You can sell a pack of Pot for $20 and still be able to tax it.

I guess we are speaking from two different perspectives, it will benefit the state government but all the pot heads rejoicing may be surprised.

I think Dealers will be pissed and will have to find new ways to generate revenue for their gang or whatever.

(11-07-2012 12:42 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:32 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

Never said it was good for you, but they've had some long term analysis with large sample sizes that have shown pretty conclusively that it's not bad for you. Those who smoke marijuana and cigarettes actually have a lower lung/throat cancer rate than tobacco smokers alone.

It is surprisingly neutral to your health.

I haven't looked up many studies, but it is pretty clear that it kills brain cells. Also, while there is likely no physical addiction to the drug itself, there definitely is an addiction to the high.

Outside of teen users, no it doesn't. You should look up actual studies about stuff like this before you make statements about what is 'clear'.

That is my demographic, so that is what I was referring to.

The government there just needs to regulate it. We've tried prohibition in our country before and all it did was create organized crime which essentially mirrors today's drug cartels. The war on drugs hasn't worked perhaps its time to try a new tactic.

(11-06-2012 11:11 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Still early on, but the ballot measure leads 53-47. What does the federal government have to say if this passes?

They can't do anything about it if it passes.... "The powers not given to the federal govt are left to the states"

Quote:Marijuana is illegal at the federal level.

Nf.. you'll have to find that statute for me. I don't think it is written as such.

I find it amazing though that Colorado might get this passed before California actually does.

This could or could not be a good thing!!!

We will have to wait and see!!!

I'm a little high as I type this, but I'm wondering if this new Washington weed I'll occasionally be getting will have a good THC%. Also think taste might be better. They grow some amazing shrooms in that rainforest.

(11-07-2012 12:32 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

Never said it was good for you, but they've had some long term analysis with large sample sizes that have shown pretty conclusively that it's not bad for you. Those who smoke marijuana and cigarettes actually have a lower lung/throat cancer rate than tobacco smokers alone.

It is surprisingly neutral to your health.

I haven't looked up many studies, but it is pretty clear that it kills brain cells. Also, while there is likely no physical addiction to the drug itself, there definitely is an addiction to the high.

BCB...I am not going to give you a lot of crap about this because this is a common misconception that has been spread by big Pharma and Law enforcement types. You are not alone when it comes to the facts about Cannabis. A quick Google search will clear this up for you. Cannabis does not kill brain cells.

(11-06-2012 11:46 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  They can't. The criminalization of marijuana is a state issue. Very proud of Colorado, even though cannibis is dangerous in large quantities.

No one has EVER overdosed from Cannabis. It is impossible....unless you call sleeping soundly overdosing.

(11-07-2012 06:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:32 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

Never said it was good for you, but they've had some long term analysis with large sample sizes that have shown pretty conclusively that it's not bad for you. Those who smoke marijuana and cigarettes actually have a lower lung/throat cancer rate than tobacco smokers alone.

It is surprisingly neutral to your health.

I haven't looked up many studies, but it is pretty clear that it kills brain cells. Also, while there is likely no physical addiction to the drug itself, there definitely is an addiction to the high.

BCB...I am not going to give you a lot of crap about this because this is a common misconception that has been spread by big Pharma and Law enforcement types. You are not alone when it comes to the facts about Cannabis. A quick Google search will clear this up for you. Cannabis does not kill brain cells.

True. Also, while I've found that you shouldn't write a paper high, I've always done better on tests when blazed.

The federal Controlled Substances Act outlawing marijuana (it's classified as a Tier (Schedule?) 1 drug with no legitimate uses) remains in place and anyone in either Washington state or Colorado who is involved in the marijuana trade (including users) remains subject to federal prosecution. The Supreme Court has already upheld the power of the federal government to keep medical marijuana illegal despite state laws to the contrary in Raich (the necessary and proper clause, working through the interstate commerce clause, was enough to justify restrictions on pot grown for personal consumption - blame the liberals, 3 of the 5 conservative justices voted for Raich). There are still federal raids on medical marijuana dispenaries in the states that have legalized medical marijuana. Though I believe that all drugs should be legalized, recreational use has even less of a claim than medicinal use.

The one caveat is that Scalia has admitted that he made the wrong decision in Raich. It's not clear that he would actually vote to overrule himself and I don't think Kennedy has made any kind of similar statement so that would still be 5-4 against overturning the federal laws.

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

This is the problem. There are thousands of things we do all the time that are not good for us and we will not get a police record for doing them. This is about personal freedom to make choices for ourselves as long as those choices do not break the axiom of non aggression( theft, fraud,violence or destruction of property). No one can assert that alcohol is safer than Cannabis. It just is not the case. People die from both overdosing and long term effects of booze every second. Yet..it is legal to do so.

(11-07-2012 12:29 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

I think totally legalizing it is the way to go. hand out licenses to grow Pot and send to manufacturers. Then allow manufacturers to distribute the same way cigarettes are. This way you can totally tax the sh*t out of it, from the farmer to the manufacturer to the consumer.

Pot is currently very easy to access, it is also very cheap. If I were pot smoker, I'd like the way things are now.

That sounds on the surface a good argument...but...With advanced manufacturing methods and quality control, Cannabis users will be able to insure that the product they are purchasing is of quality. That is not the case on the street and the supply is interrupted constantly by law enforcement. Most Cannabis users will welcome this. Oh and I forgot...You will no longer be put in a jail cell for it.

(11-07-2012 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:29 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

I think totally legalizing it is the way to go. hand out licenses to grow Pot and send to manufacturers. Then allow manufacturers to distribute the same way cigarettes are. This way you can totally tax the sh*t out of it, from the farmer to the manufacturer to the consumer.

Pot is currently very easy to access, it is also very cheap. If I were pot smoker, I'd like the way things are now.

That sounds on the surface a good argument...but...With advanced manufacturing methods and quality control, Cannabis users will be able to insure that the product they are purchasing is of quality. That is not the case on the street and the supply is interrupted constantly by law enforcement. Most Cannabis users will welcome this. Oh and I forgot...You will no longer be put in a jail cell for it.

I don't disagree that it should have been legal from the start, but the way it is now is fine. I stated earlier that decriminalization is far enough.

(11-07-2012 01:04 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The government there just needs to regulate it. We've tried prohibition in our country before and all it did was create organized crime which essentially mirrors today's drug cartels. The war on drugs hasn't worked perhaps its time to try a new tactic.

+1 Legalization of Cannabis would do more to curb violence than any Law Enforcement interdiction. Prohibitions create Black markets and competition among criminal elements. The result is always violence. We do not have a single example of violence surrounding ANY legally purchased product. This is not rocket science. We have been at this crossroads before.

(11-07-2012 06:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:32 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

Never said it was good for you, but they've had some long term analysis with large sample sizes that have shown pretty conclusively that it's not bad for you. Those who smoke marijuana and cigarettes actually have a lower lung/throat cancer rate than tobacco smokers alone.

It is surprisingly neutral to your health.

I haven't looked up many studies, but it is pretty clear that it kills brain cells. Also, while there is likely no physical addiction to the drug itself, there definitely is an addiction to the high.

BCB...I am not going to give you a lot of crap about this because this is a common misconception that has been spread by big Pharma and Law enforcement types. You are not alone when it comes to the facts about Cannabis. A quick Google search will clear this up for you. Cannabis does not kill brain cells.

The study I actually was referring to from memory, I just found out was later disproved. Thanks.

(11-07-2012 06:33 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 06:29 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:29 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:17 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 12:11 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Just because marijuana isn't "as bad as other drugs" doesn't mean it is good for you. I don't think this is a good decision for the people of Colorado, especially the pot heads. Decriminalization is far enough.

I think totally legalizing it is the way to go. hand out licenses to grow Pot and send to manufacturers. Then allow manufacturers to distribute the same way cigarettes are. This way you can totally tax the sh*t out of it, from the farmer to the manufacturer to the consumer.

Pot is currently very easy to access, it is also very cheap. If I were pot smoker, I'd like the way things are now.

That sounds on the surface a good argument...but...With advanced manufacturing methods and quality control, Cannabis users will be able to insure that the product they are purchasing is of quality. That is not the case on the street and the supply is interrupted constantly by law enforcement. Most Cannabis users will welcome this. Oh and I forgot...You will no longer be put in a jail cell for it.

I don't disagree that it should have been legal from the start, but the way it is now is fine. I stated earlier that decriminalization is far enough.

If Americans really do seek to keep drugs out of the hands of minors...then Legalization and control is the ONLY way to do it. Even with control there will be those that will get access..but..it is not as easy as it is now. Allowing street dealing is allowing direct access to minors. Just for clarity...I believe minors should NOT have access to Cannabis. It should ONLY be for adult use. I am speaking as someone that used Cannabis for a large part of his youth. Kids do not have the life skills needed to handle the effects of Cannabis.