(04-15-1974 11:52 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Temple, ECU, Tulane, and to a lesser extent USF and UCF are bad adds.
All of them have a much higher ceiling in football than UConn. Much higher.
We have 2 schools in Fla. Elevating 2 more would kill recruiting. And, neither school is established, so both are long term investments. Temple actually got kicked out of the BIG EAST for s*cking. Tulane is a joke. And ECU, is not only not even good enough for the BIG EAST, but is in NC, and the ACC already has 4 schools in NC. Adding another would just make the state THAT much more crowded. I agree that UCONN is a bad add, but those schools are absolutely horrible adds.
(04-15-1974 11:52 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Temple, ECU, Tulane, and to a lesser extent USF and UCF are bad adds.
All of them have a much higher ceiling in football than UConn. Much higher.
We have 2 schools in Fla. Elevating 2 more would kill recruiting. And, neither school is established, so both are long term investments. Temple actually got kicked out of the BIG EAST for s*cking. Tulane is a joke. And ECU, is not only not even good enough for the BIG EAST, but is in NC, and the ACC already has 4 schools in NC. Adding another would just make the state THAT much more crowded. I agree that UCONN is a bad add, but those schools are absolutely horrible adds.
why the money from the acc uconn can become a power it did won a BE title
at this point you go back to espn and ask what each team would add to the contract since it hasnt been finalized after nd addition and taking 3 wouldnt be the worst idea (uconn/cin/lou) as whenever/if notre dame ever decides to join we could go to 18 or by then another team would be picked by sec
(04-15-1974 11:52 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Temple, ECU, Tulane, and to a lesser extent USF and UCF are bad adds.
All of them have a much higher ceiling in football than UConn. Much higher.
We have 2 schools in Fla. Elevating 2 more would kill recruiting. And, neither school is established, so both are long term investments. Temple actually got kicked out of the BIG EAST for s*cking. Tulane is a joke. And ECU, is not only not even good enough for the BIG EAST, but is in NC, and the ACC already has 4 schools in NC. Adding another would just make the state THAT much more crowded. I agree that UCONN is a bad add, but those schools are absolutely horrible adds.
why the money from the acc uconn can become a power it did won a BE title
UCONN won because everyone else was weak. UCONN fielded a decent team, but they got blown away by OU in the BCS game.
(11-17-2012 08:21 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote: I wouldn't be opposed to having USF in the ACC. That would make for another close game for us down here in Miami.
wouldn't that take away the south flroida players from the u
I'd hate to see Maryland go but if it works out better for them I'd be happy for them.
Curious choices for the B1G. Rutgers gets $28+ million from the state (47% of their athletic budget). That is more than the rest of the B1G combined! Maryland gets almost $16 million from the state. That is ~26% of their athletic budget. (The B1G average is $2.4 million in subsidies, Northwestern numbers not included). Is the B1G really going to invest in schools with those kind of deficits?
I don't think the B1G has to add Maryland to get viewers in Maryland.
Maryland and Rutgers are both great academic schools. Do they really ADD anything to the B1G? The B1G is already strong academically. They don't seem to be hurting for research dollars. I don't see the B1G getting enough of a bump to break even with 2 more mouths to feed. Both schools will likely need lots of help with the exit fees-what ever the final numbers are.
I can see is PSU threatening to leave if the B1G doesn't add some eastern schools. That would be very cocky considering PSU's recent issues. Would the B1G loose more by losing PSU or by splitting current revenue with 2 more schools?
If you want to be all tin foil hat about this ..... this is happening while the Big East is negotiating with ESPN for a contract. I should note the FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 stuff flared up in earnest while the ACC was dealing with ESPN as well. Not sure which is a symptom of which though.
Brian Hamilton@ChiTribHamilton
#NotreDame AD Jack Swarbrick on Maryland-to-B1G: "If this occurs, this particular outcome does not come as a surprise."
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RT @JFowlerCBS: Swarbrick: Maryland leaving would have "absolutely no impact" on ND if had to do ACC deal over again."
(11-17-2012 07:36 PM)Chris02M Wrote: maybe uconn still has some people upset at them from the lawsuit
Damm, but uconn give the acc a elite BB team
And adds absolutely nothing but a mid to lower level football program that plays in a little off campus stadium, has a very low program ceiling, and isn't attractive to potential bowl partners.
I would rather add the following programs in order than UConn:
Louisville
Temple
Cincy
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida
Tulane
I would rather have UConn than Navy, but I would hope that Clemson was on it's way out if the Huskies were added.
Temple, ECU, Tulane, USF, and UCF are really bad adds.
I stopped reading his list after Temple was listed at #2.
Much like Syracuse being nationally relevant in football in the 1950's is in the past, so is the Temple teams of the late 1990's/early 2000's. In fact, IMHO the best thing that ever happened to them was getting kicked out of the Big East. That made their administration commit the resources neccesary to get their football program back on it's feet and the turnaround has been drastic, and as a public school in a decent recruiting area their ceiling is much higher than UConn's, and I believe if you did a side by side blind comparison between Temple and Syracuse they would be very similar. Neither is going to be better than 7-8 wins on average, and given equal resources both might contend for a conference title once every 15 years or so. UConn in the ACC is a 6-7 win team at best, and much like BC and Syracuse brings a recruiting wasteland.
(11-17-2012 09:18 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: Much like Syracuse being nationally relevant in football in the 1950's is in the past, so is the Temple teams of the late 1990's/early 2000's. In fact, IMHO the best thing that ever happened to them was getting kicked out of the Big East. That made their administration commit the resources neccesary to get their football program back on it's feet and the turnaround has been drastic, and as a public school in a decent recruiting area their ceiling is much higher than UConn's, and I believe if you did a side by side blind comparison between Temple and Syracuse they would be very similar. Neither is going to be better than 7-8 wins on average, and given equal resources both might contend for a conference title once every 15 years or so. UConn in the ACC is a 6-7 win team at best, and much like BC and Syracuse brings a recruiting wasteland.
LOL you are out of your depth of knowledge...and exaggerating to make a ridiculous point.
(11-17-2012 09:18 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote: Much like Syracuse being nationally relevant in football in the 1950's is in the past, so is the Temple teams of the late 1990's/early 2000's. In fact, IMHO the best thing that ever happened to them was getting kicked out of the Big East. That made their administration commit the resources neccesary to get their football program back on it's feet and the turnaround has been drastic, and as a public school in a decent recruiting area their ceiling is much higher than UConn's, and I believe if you did a side by side blind comparison between Temple and Syracuse they would be very similar. Neither is going to be better than 7-8 wins on average, and given equal resources both might contend for a conference title once every 15 years or so. UConn in the ACC is a 6-7 win team at best, and much like BC and Syracuse brings a recruiting wasteland.
Its safe to say that SU was nationally relevant as recently as the nineties and early 2000's, when the Orange destroyed Clemson in the 1996 Gator Bowl, 49-0.
I thought the ACC was making a huge mistake not offering Rutgers. Now it is too late. Again the ACC management got outmaneuvered and through their shortsightedness the ACC is getting split up somewhat (The eastern Seaboard is now split between the B1G and ACC.
Yes, Rutgers is not great at football. They are improving and are from New Jersey a wealthy and populous state.
If I were Rutgers or Maryland I would accept the B1G offer.
As for who to offer next to join the ACC I imagine that UConn or Louisville or Cincinnati would be candidates.
Louisville isn't far enough away from everyone to be a big strike against them.
Louisville has more fans and BCS points than UConn.
Nobody is going to take UConn so they'll still be there later if you decide you can't live without them.
Doing a North/South split will lose you one or both of the Virginia schools if anyone cares.
USF is only an option if FSU leaves in my mind. UCF might be the better long term option of the two anyway.
If UMD really leaves, all we are really doing is plugging holes in the ship until many of the other schools find more attractive homes. We might as well go to 16. I can see every major program exiting and back filling with Eastern Big East teams.
The WVU ship has sailed. There won't be any getting them...especially when UMD leaves.
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2012 10:19 PM by 4x4hokies.)
I'm not excited about this. Maryland is an ACC school in every way, with great history and traditions with most of the other founding schools and UVA. I also don't see Rutgers as our ideal realignment partner.
Plus I'm really going to miss ACC lax.
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2012 10:20 PM by AtlanticLeague.)
(11-17-2012 09:29 PM)tj_2009 Wrote: I thought the ACC was making a huge mistake not offering Rutgers. Now it is too late. Again the ACC management got outmaneuvered and through their shortsightedness the ACC is getting split up somewhat (The eastern Seaboard is now split between the B1G and ACC.
Yes, Rutgers is not great at football. They are improving and are from New Jersey a wealthy and populous state.
If I were Rutgers or Maryland I would accept the B1G offer.
As for who to offer next to join the ACC I imagine that UConn or Louisville or Cincinnati would be candidates.
When was the last time the ACC management got out maneuvered in realignment?
