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RE: "IF" ND were to join the ACC as a full memeber...
(11-22-2012 11:41 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(11-22-2012 11:35 PM)7fielder Wrote:  Terry D... then why did Jack Swarbrick damn Pitt and Cuse so badly when they left the Big East? He was VERY negative about how traitorous our two schools were...

I have no idea. I certainly understood why they bailed on the Big East.

I think that he should have kept his mouth shut.

TerryD... I can respect that answer. I also agree that all these schools do what is in the best interest for themselves. That is also why I think the scenario I posted on the first page could possibly work for ND's best interest.

Just play one more ACC game to be all in.
Same flexible schedule
Keep NBC contract money
Also get ESPN ACC contract money

That is a win / win for them...
11-23-2012 05:37 PM
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(11-23-2012 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The big difference is that Texas, Ohio State, USC, Alabama, et al are not independent and have their own TV contract.

They are already stuck in conferences and have to make the best of it to make it work.

Apples and Oranges, not the same thing at all.

The benefit of basketball, baseball, et al is not great enough to negatively impact football by joining a conference

No there is a big difference. Texas looks out for itself, and only itsdelf, without regard ot others. Similar to Notre Dame. Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, USC, etc, have sacrified their own money making opportunities, insisted on equal revenue sharing, and resisting doing things if it would hurt other schools. This is not apples and oranges.
11-26-2012 12:14 PM
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It is apples and oranges.

People are asking ND to give up a status and a TV contract those other schools never had, and cannot command.
11-26-2012 02:04 PM
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RE: "IF" ND were to join the ACC as a full memeber...
Actually, that is not what I said.

I said do not expect Notre Dame to actually help the ACC even if it can save it, if it means any sort of sacrifice. Sadly, as much as you keep trying to argue the point, you have actually confirmed exactly what I have said, and even made the point for me better than I could.

Also keep in mind, Notre Dame does not and to date cannot survive as a full independent. They are not. They are independent in football. There are several other schools that could easily operate in that form if they wanted to. As we can all see, Texas could if they wanted to. They have their own TV contract to carry one game that is nearly equal to what Notre Dame gets for 7/8. You don't think Ohio St, Alabama, Michigan, Florida, or LSU could operate as a pure football independent so long as another conference kept their other sports? Of course they could. And as I said, if those other schools operated the way ND was, in terms of purely looking out for themselves, which they could easily do, those conferences would not have equal revenue sharing, or even schedules, true home and homes, etc. You would not see Ohio St telling Northwestern they will only them in football if they do a 2 for 1. Florida does not tell Vandy, "Hey we're not playing in your half full stadium." Every game we play will be at the Swamp." They don't do that. Notre Dame did.

I have no problem with Notre Dame does. It's only the attitude that they do it because they can, and no one else can. That is horeshit. There are many other that can. The only other ones that do is Texas, and it nearly twice collapsed their conference.

So it's not apples to oranges, it is apples to apples. One apple just has an identity crisis, and thinks it’s a pineapple.
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11-26-2012 03:02 PM
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RE: "IF" ND were to join the ACC as a full memeber...
Texas gets paid for a Longhorn Network that nobody will carry or watch.

I do not think that LSU, Michigan or others could garner their own nationwide over the air TV contract. So, I don't think that they could operate as an independent in football.

We just disagree on that point. I do agree that ND will not do anything to "save" the ACC, if that means joining the conference for football. No argument there.
11-26-2012 04:00 PM
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