3601 Wrote:1. Memphis is on the Mighty Mississippi.

LOL! My bad, but you're not too far from the intersection, if my geography is correct?

The quotes credited to Terry Holland may be correct, I don't know as I was not privy to his comment at the meeting cited. But, I can state with confidence that he does not come across as a know it all, or he hasn't in the past that I have heard in his presence in meetings, in personal conversations or in anything that I have read credited to him in the past.

It is very possible that he was asked questions in a private meeting and he gave his personal opinions as stated in the above statements. However, I'm sure that he did not mean for his remarks to be quoted in a manner that would indicated that he is a know it all or that he knows what will happen, it would be his own personal opinion of what he thinks will happen.

If he did state what is shown above, I hope that he is correct and that he has ECU in a position to be ready. I know that he is striving to get the athletic programs is a position to be ready when the opportunity avails itself.

Lemmiwinks Wrote:

3601 Wrote:1. Memphis is on the Mighty Mississippi.

LOL! My bad, but you're not too far from the intersection, if my geography is correct?

That's true. We aren't too far down river from Paducah/Cario.

I'm not ruling out Memphis but not inclined right now--culturally they aren't Big East.[/quote]

Translation (spoken in whispered tones among fellow BE brethren): They're a bunch of Tennessee hicks down there...we're not even sure that they wear shoes and have indoor plumbing. Let me translate back: I'm fed up with the constant thinly veiled slap in the face at our "culture" from you BE types. Get it?

TigersRuleAll Wrote:I'm not ruling out Memphis but not inclined right now--culturally they aren't Big East.

Translation (spoken in whispered tones among fellow BE brethren): They're a bunch of Tennessee hicks down there...we're not even sure that they wear shoes and have indoor plumbing. Let me translate back: I'm fed up with the constant thinly veiled slap in the face at our "culture" from you BE types. Get it?[/quote]

I agree. The "culture" crap is the saddest excuse I've seen yet.

Bambu Wrote:

TigersRuleAll Wrote:I'm not ruling out Memphis but not inclined right now--culturally they aren't Big East.

Translation (spoken in whispered tones among fellow BE brethren): They're a bunch of Tennessee hicks down there...we're not even sure that they wear shoes and have indoor plumbing. Let me translate back: I'm fed up with the constant thinly veiled slap in the face at our "culture" from you BE types. Get it?

I agree. The "culture" crap is the saddest excuse I've seen yet.[/quote]


It's not legit. If Tennessee or Alabama or Auburn decided they wanted to move to the Big East, does anyone think the BE would vote them down because they aren't "culturally big east"? Um, no. that's just an idiotic argument.

Memphis may or may not get into the BE, but it will have nothing to do with their "culture", whatever that is.

This CRAPPY thread is making me break my oath of being a kinder more gentle poster! THIS THREAD IS NOTING BUT MOUNDS OF DOG POOPY IN MY BACKYARD.

PENN ST. I NEVER COMING!!!
MARYLAND IS NEVER COMING!!!!
NOTRE SHAME IS NEVER COMING!!!!!

I am so tired of this northeast footprint bullcrap! Why don't you just invite freakin' Main, U Mass, New Hampshire and Canada St. if you want to stay in the darn northeast?

Wilkie is right. And he is not on an island with his opinions.

The Big East will split. It will invite the BEST TEAM possible.
In time it will invite more of the BEST TEAMS possible.

If they are from the southeast so be it. Give me a quality Top 20 Memphis team over a 1AA wanna be big boy northeast school.

And just forget the service academies. You have got to be kidding me. They are suck teams guaranteed to lose at LEAST 8 games a year if they were to join the Big East. If you doubt that, than you doubt the competition and future of your own conference.

WE will take the best schools available that are remotely east, probably east of the Mississippi River. If you wanted someone now, it would be... um... nobody! Give ECU, UCF, Marshall and Memphis 2-3 more years to prove themselves and then we'll see.

There are NO other viable teams out there, maybe Miami (OH).

But give up this northeast crap. The conference if moving away from that anyway. They wouldn't have invited the teams they just did if they wanted to stay in a footprint.

Army56Mike Wrote:This CRAPPY thread is making me break my oath of being a kinder more gentle poster! THIS THREAD IS NOTING BUT MOUNDS OF DOG POOPY IN MY BACKYARD.

PENN ST. I NEVER COMING!!!
MARYLAND IS NEVER COMING!!!!
NOTRE SHAME IS NEVER COMING!!!!!

I am so tired of this northeast footprint bullcrap! Why don't you just invite freakin' Main, U Mass, New Hampshire and Canada St. if you want to stay in the darn northeast?

Wilkie is right. And he is not on an island with his opinions.

The Big East will split. It will invite the BEST TEAM possible.
In time it will invite more of the BEST TEAMS possible.

If they are from the southeast so be it. Give me a quality Top 20 Memphis team over a 1AA wanna be big boy northeast school.

And just forget the service academies. You have got to be kidding me. They are suck teams guaranteed to lose at LEAST 8 games a year if they were to join the Big East. If you doubt that, than you doubt the competition and future of your own conference.

WE will take the best schools available that are remotely east, probably east of the Mississippi River. If you wanted someone now, it would be... um... nobody! Give ECU, UCF, Marshall and Memphis 2-3 more years to prove themselves and then we'll see.

There are NO other viable teams out there, maybe Miami (OH).

But give up this northeast crap. The conference if moving away from that anyway. They wouldn't have invited the teams they just did if they wanted to stay in a footprint.

Mike when did Maize and L-Yes speak for anybody but theirselves? When did they become the majority of Louisville fans? Guys that is pure BS and you know it! All you have is an opinion, just like Mike and I do! Touche!

top 200 TV markets

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets


#20--Orlando

#40--Birmingham

#44--Memphis

#64--Huntington

#105--Greenville

Let me see. A conference which values basketball, football proweress, and your TV market--in that order--might be seeking to go to 12?

Hmmm....

Central Florida
Memphis
UAB

These schools should be your top 3 candidates.

If you really are going to 12, cater to your needs.

Don't let the fact that these are "southern" schools cloud your judgement.


BIG EAST-12 TV Markets:
#1---Rutgers
#12--South Florida
#20--Central Florida
#22--Pittsburgh
#28--UCONN
#34--Cincinatti
#40--UAB
#44--Memphis
#50--Louisville
#64--Marshall
#76--Syracuse
West Virginia

If not, then add Central Florida and be done with it.

UAB has no fans, so much for TV market!

I personally have no clue why people are mentioning schools like temple, umass, and buffalo. That is just retarded. Temple have already shown that they don't care about winning and I doubt going to the MAC will change anything. Buffalo just doesn't win period. Umass's whole athletic program is a mess, they're under funded and the pro boston government would never fund Umass's attempt at D1A.

Currently there are 2 and only 2 probable canidates Memphis and UCF. There could be more in the future but at this point there's 2. When ECU finally gets back on its feet again then we consider them but as of right now there are 2 canidates. 2 canidates is not enough for the conference to want to add 4 and go 12. So IMO 9 is the only reasonable number. Also at 9 we'll still have spots open if any of our dream canidates want to join. Yes I know that at our current state the BE is not attractive to PSU, MD, or ND but in the future you never know. Maybe Rutgers goes 12-0 and NYC catches BE football fever. Heck even if there absolutely 0 chance to get any of these schools, the BE would still be better having 9. All extras schools gonna do is thin the already small pie. Do you guys really think Marshall, ECU, and Southern miss are gonna make BE more attractive?

There's no point in getting to 12 for the sake of getting a championship game. There's not that much money involved anyways cause the TV just isn't there. Right now the BE already have enough problems having games televised on saturday. Do you really think any major network is gonna pay enough money for the BE championship game to compensate for 3 extra teams. Knowing the networks, the game probably won't even be shown on network tv. It'll probably be on ESPN at 1:00 right after the CUSA championship game.

Bambu Wrote:

TigersRuleAll Wrote:I'm not ruling out Memphis but not inclined right now--culturally they aren't Big East.

Translation (spoken in whispered tones among fellow BE brethren): They're a bunch of Tennessee hicks down there...we're not even sure that they wear shoes and have indoor plumbing. Let me translate back: I'm fed up with the constant thinly veiled slap in the face at our "culture" from you BE types. Get it?

I agree. The "culture" crap is the saddest excuse I've seen yet.[/quote]

I'm throwing the BS flag back at you Tiger fans. What about all the CDOA bravado about how we don't like the Big East because we are closer to the CUSA teams crapola--we don't need to play in any Yankee Conference. I heard this from about half your fans last summer. I heard you and believe it. You guys are southern the Big East is mostly northern.

Memphis is 6 friggin hours by car to Louisville. Nobody by UL or Cinci fans can drive to Memphis on a weekend. UCF is a better pick. You can't drive there but at least you can get numerous nonstop flights on numerous airlines (and not have to just rely on NWA) and take a mini vacation while your at it. UCF would allow a travel partner scenario for the nonrevenue sports. Alot of NE people have connections to Florida.

You can stay in CDOA. UCF should be the 9th team. I don't dislike Memphis but we don't need Memphis for Basketball, we don't need the Liberty Bowl if we get UCF.....Memphis is the 3rd choice IMHO.

"The only MAC team that would POSSIBLY be part of the conversation is Toledo, and then it would still take a monumental upgrade on their part. It just isn't feasible."


Actually, a major upgrade to the entire University is in the works (see: http://facilitiesplanning.utoledo.edu/LR...tion.pdf), including a total renovation to Savage Hall, incorporating $38M of improvements to the facility, an added a pro shop, additional suites, a UT Hall of Fame, and a state-of-the-art indoor practice arena on campus. The official announcement will be made just after Christmas. The schematics for the project are gorgeous. Moreover, the pending merger of the University of Toledo with the Medical University of Ohio (see: http://www.meduohio.edu/cgi-bin/mconews_..._21.html), UT will double UT

This is the first year of the NBE and the conjecture of a few friends of cusa east is that the BE should breakup and ditch ND .This is pure conjecture made up by the friends of cusa east,the myth of 9 team football league without ND.Who benefits certainly not the BE,but the few friends of cusa east.

ccbfan Wrote:When ECU finally gets back on its feet again then we consider them but as of right now there are 2 canidates.

That's funny. ECU was 5-6 one of your candidates, Memphis was 6-5. (with one win over a D1aa school)We lost to them by 3 points @ Memphis. I would say we are back on our feet at least by Memphis standards you are using. Also they lose Deangelo among others next year and we return everyone. I personally think we are sitting better the next year or two in football than Memphis as they cope with the loss of a great player like Deangelo.

Army56Mike Wrote:This CRAPPY thread is making me break my oath of being a kinder more gentle poster! THIS THREAD IS NOTING BUT MOUNDS OF DOG POOPY IN MY BACKYARD.

PENN ST. I NEVER COMING!!!
MARYLAND IS NEVER COMING!!!!
NOTRE SHAME IS NEVER COMING!!!!!

I am so tired of this northeast footprint bullcrap! Why don't you just invite freakin' Main, U Mass, New Hampshire and Canada St. if you want to stay in the darn northeast?

Wilkie is right. And he is not on an island with his opinions.

The Big East will split. It will invite the BEST TEAM possible.
In time it will invite more of the BEST TEAMS possible.

If they are from the southeast so be it. Give me a quality Top 20 Memphis team over a 1AA wanna be big boy northeast school.

And just forget the service academies. You have got to be kidding me. They are suck teams guaranteed to lose at LEAST 8 games a year if they were to join the Big East. If you doubt that, than you doubt the competition and future of your own conference.

WE will take the best schools available that are remotely east, probably east of the Mississippi River. If you wanted someone now, it would be... um... nobody! Give ECU, UCF, Marshall and Memphis 2-3 more years to prove themselves and then we'll see.

There are NO other viable teams out there, maybe Miami (OH).

But give up this northeast crap. The conference if moving away from that anyway. They wouldn't have invited the teams they just did if they wanted to stay in a footprint.

We kick out Temple back in 2002 but fear of lawsuit we back off until 2004. We have to be very careful who we bring in. Do they have the same commitment as we do? Do they have the resource to compete like all the members? We don

StillJonesing Wrote:

ccbfan Wrote:When ECU finally gets back on its feet again then we consider them but as of right now there are 2 canidates.

That's funny. ECU was 5-6 one of your candidates, Memphis was 6-5. (with one win over a D1aa school)We lost to them by 3 points @ Memphis. I would say we are back on our feet at least by Memphis standards you are using. Also they lose Deangelo among others next year and we return everyone. I personally think we are sitting better the next year or two in football than Memphis as they cope with the loss of a great player like Deangelo.

Memphis is 24-13 (.649) in football the last three seasons. Three straight bowl games. Memphis has averaged over 40,000 fans at home in football the last three years. Memphis is #7 in the country right now in basketball. Calipari has 121 wins since becoming the Memphis head coach in 2000. Memphis is usually in the top 10-15 in basketball attendance every year. Memphis can deliver the Liberty Bowl to the Big East. The University of Memphis has very large corporate backers that would pay out the wing-wang to see to it that Memphis gets into a BCS conference. Now compare that to where ECU has been the last 5 years. Memphis is currently on its feet. ECU is not. All that being said, Memphis has little chance of being added to the Big East because the vast majority of the fans and powers that be of the 8 Big East football schools don't care for Memphis for cultural reasons and don't want anything to do with us. We apparently are too Southern, even though our school and fans have much more in common with the University of Louisville and the University of Cincinnati than Ole Miss, Auburn, LSU, etc.

JMSTiger Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

ccbfan Wrote:When ECU finally gets back on its feet again then we consider them but as of right now there are 2 canidates.

That's funny. ECU was 5-6 one of your candidates, Memphis was 6-5. (with one win over a D1aa school)We lost to them by 3 points @ Memphis. I would say we are back on our feet at least by Memphis standards you are using. Also they lose Deangelo among others next year and we return everyone. I personally think we are sitting better the next year or two in football than Memphis as they cope with the loss of a great player like Deangelo.

Memphis is 24-13 (.649) in football the last three seasons. Three straight bowl games. Memphis has averaged over 40,000 fans at home in football the last three years. Memphis is #7 in the country right now in basketball. Calipari has 121 wins since becoming the Memphis head coach in 2000. Memphis is usually in the top 10-15 in basketball attendance every year. Memphis can deliver the Liberty Bowl to the Big East. The University of Memphis has very large corporate backers that would pay out the wing-wang to see to it that Memphis gets into a BCS conference. Now compare that to where ECU has been the last 5 years. Memphis is currently on its feet. ECU is not. All that being said, Memphis has little chance of being added to the Big East because the vast majority of the fans and powers that be of the 8 Big East football schools don't care for Memphis for cultural reasons and don't want anything to do with us. We apparently are too Southern, even though our school and fans have much more in common with the University of Louisville and the University of Cincinnati than Ole Miss, Auburn, LSU, etc.

Actually, you are too western. You are a good 7 hours from the next nearest member. My honest guess for our 9th team would be UCF. They would provide a travel partner for USF. From a business standpoint it makes sense. If it comes down to UCF, ECU and Memphis and everything else is roughly equal. UCF is going to get the nod.

Shannon Panther Wrote:

JMSTiger Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:

ccbfan Wrote:When ECU finally gets back on its feet again then we consider them but as of right now there are 2 canidates.

That's funny. ECU was 5-6 one of your candidates, Memphis was 6-5. (with one win over a D1aa school)We lost to them by 3 points @ Memphis. I would say we are back on our feet at least by Memphis standards you are using. Also they lose Deangelo among others next year and we return everyone. I personally think we are sitting better the next year or two in football than Memphis as they cope with the loss of a great player like Deangelo.

Memphis is 24-13 (.649) in football the last three seasons. Three straight bowl games. Memphis has averaged over 40,000 fans at home in football the last three years. Memphis is #7 in the country right now in basketball. Calipari has 121 wins since becoming the Memphis head coach in 2000. Memphis is usually in the top 10-15 in basketball attendance every year. Memphis can deliver the Liberty Bowl to the Big East. The University of Memphis has very large corporate backers that would pay out the wing-wang to see to it that Memphis gets into a BCS conference. Now compare that to where ECU has been the last 5 years. Memphis is currently on its feet. ECU is not. All that being said, Memphis has little chance of being added to the Big East because the vast majority of the fans and powers that be of the 8 Big East football schools don't care for Memphis for cultural reasons and don't want anything to do with us. We apparently are too Southern, even though our school and fans have much more in common with the University of Louisville and the University of Cincinnati than Ole Miss, Auburn, LSU, etc.

Actually, you are too western. You are a good 7 hours from the next nearest member. My honest guess for our 9th team would be UCF. They would provide a travel partner for USF. From a business standpoint it makes sense. If it comes down to UCF, ECU and Memphis and everything else is roughly equal. UCF is going to get the nod.

Obviously, the geography issue is ridiculous because South Florida is completely isolated from the other 15 members of the Big East. Plus, there are these things called airplanes.

Memphis is 5.5 to 6 hours away from Louisville. 7 hours to 7.5 hours away from Cincinnati.

Louisville is 6 hours from Pittsburgh. 11 hours from Syracuse. South Florida is 20 hours from Syracuse.

The whole geography excuse is a ruse. You just don't want Memphis. Even if Memphis went to the Final Four this year and made a BCS bowl next year you would come up with some lame excuse about how Memphis "doesn't fit in." Fact is- Memphis easily fits in with Louisville, Cincinnati and USF. It is the other 5 schools that want nothing to do with us and would rather Temple or Buffalo get the nod over Memphis.

Actually with 4 more teams it improve TV viewier ship at least 25%. Since B-E is having trouble getting on Sat, B-E is gonna have to do Fri & Thrus nights. Or get another network intrested. either way B-E needs bigger markets.