(12-06-2012 06:15 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Bottom line is the Big East is much much better than CUSA. Don't know why some arguing this. We all would jump at a invite

Awaiting the spin

I'd say all of CUSA East would. I would much rather UTEP be in the MWC than join BE West as football-only, then have to find a lesser conference for bball. That's why the BE is so unstable. BSU and SDSU wouldn't be considering a return to the MWC if it was an all-sports invite.

There's the problem. There are too many schools in the BE, each with their own agenda. It will be hard to keep basketball schools happy, all-sports schools happy, and football-only schools.

It's basically a crapshoot as to which ends up being a better spot long-term. Cinny and UConn are begging to get out, and it's just a very unstable situation.

(12-06-2012 05:39 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:35 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  It's not being lowered, KT.. i was simply doing quick math on the current numbers. Again if my math is right it's 4.1M for the first group out. Actually ECU would also be at the $750k level (they weren't grandfathered in to my knowledge, only Houston was.)

So if this is year 2 of the 5 year contract (which again, I _think_ it is.)

Memphis, Tulane, Houston : $4.1 M
UCF, SMU: $4.8M
ECU : Currently $4.8M (3.6M if after next FB season)

I don't know if the first 5 schools have to forfeit their TV money for the past season (don't see why they would?), but if they did just add 1.2M to each number.

It is loss of TV revenue according to the bylaws. Unless the TV contract goes to $0, it won't be the $4+ million dollar number.

If the original contract is no longer valid... then that's a BIGGER loss of revenue. At least that's how I read that one when it was passed around.

According to the bylaws it is $500K and loss of TV revenue. Unless there is a loss of TV revenue it will be $500K buyout and it wouldn't matter how long that is remaining on the contract. The contract length only matters for a loss of revenue. So if the revenue drops $500K per school over 3 more years, that number would get picked up by the departing schools.

That is the way I read it. You can see no school official has stated what the buyout will be. I think they are prepared to give $500K and fight in court if the C-USA wants more. That is just my opinion, but we will see what happens soon.

(12-06-2012 04:32 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 04:14 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  the BE will get ATLEAST 6 mil for all sports per year........ the new CUSA after Tulsa and UTEP leave will get AT MOST 800k per year

Don't PRETEND like you are in the KNOW on the subject.

Kronke & he were separated at birth.

(12-06-2012 06:27 PM)MondoMiner Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 06:15 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Bottom line is the Big East is much much better than CUSA. Don't know why some arguing this. We all would jump at a invite

Awaiting the spin

I'd say all of CUSA East would. I would much rather UTEP be in the MWC than join BE West as football-only, then have to find a lesser conference for bball. That's why the BE is so unstable. BSU and SDSU wouldn't be considering a return to the MWC if it was an all-sports invite.

There's the problem. There are too many schools in the BE, each with their own agenda. It will be hard to keep basketball schools happy, all-sports schools happy, and football-only schools.

It's basically a crapshoot as to which ends up being a better spot long-term. Cinny and UConn are begging to get out, and it's just a very unstable situation.

THIS

I would be fine if we stay in C-USA and help rebuild this conference but if that's not the case then the MWC makes perfect sense for us. Better rivalries and like minded institutions which some of them actually control their own TV markets unlike anything in the new Big East.

So we're going from "ACC money" to $60 million a year which still is more than C-USA and the MWC but it's not the home run TV deal some of the nBE fans were telling us.

Good luck Big East. I don't really care one way or the other about that conference but one thing they never understood and still don't get is you can't survive as a viable conference and get the respect they deserve when you have so many agendas: all sports/FB only/BB only. Short term might make sense but long term is just not doable.

(12-06-2012 05:17 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:14 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  Sunbelt schedule just sounds awesome.... We had to get out. We know that we didn't move up to the big leagues, but at least we didn't get held back and left for dead in what is now nothing more then the SunBelt.

I love how that less than two weeks ago, some of you ECU fans were DEFENDING the potential that these new schools added... now it's "left for dead".

This is the hypocrisy many of us were talking about earlier.. Everything's just fine while you were in the conference, but now that you're out, "Hey, let's just let the REAL feelings out about how we felt about those other schools".

ECU is BIG TIME now. I'm sure the nation will wait with held breath for their first game. I'm just wondering how long it will take for them to start whining again when they realize they are in the same conference they had been crying I mean trying to get out of all these years.

(12-06-2012 06:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:17 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:14 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  Sunbelt schedule just sounds awesome.... We had to get out. We know that we didn't move up to the big leagues, but at least we didn't get held back and left for dead in what is now nothing more then the SunBelt.

I love how that less than two weeks ago, some of you ECU fans were DEFENDING the potential that these new schools added... now it's "left for dead".

This is the hypocrisy many of us were talking about earlier.. Everything's just fine while you were in the conference, but now that you're out, "Hey, let's just let the REAL feelings out about how we felt about those other schools".

ECU is BIG TIME now. I'm sure the nation will wait with held breath for their first game. I'm just wondering how long it will take for them to start whining again when they realize they are in the same conference they had been crying I mean trying to get out of all these years.

Geographically the new Big East makes sense for them so I don't blame them for that. But no matter how they try to spin it, they looked desperate when they took a FB only. Not that their basketball will be missed, in fact, their basketball program is an RPI killer and will fit perfectly in an inferior conference like the CAA. Maybe eventually they'll join the Big East for all sports once UConn and perhaps Cincinnati leave that dumpster fire.

(12-06-2012 05:17 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:11 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Little upset at the numbers eh?

Trust me...I will have fun traveling to Charlotte, Norfolk, Nashville etc. Those are cities that our fan base can travel to and I look forward to it.

I believe that, respect that and I think other schools share that opinion. You didn't have a long relationship with the C-USA teams, you're getting better travel, the TV contract isn't going to go down (it won't rise, but it won't fall either).
But that's also why some teams have been looking to bolt. They aren't getting travel aid, they are losing long term relationships, etc.

That's exactly right. I think that I'm right when I say that USM will the only remaining founding member that has played football throughout CUSA's lifespan. That's an amazing stat.

That cuts both ways however, the remaining BE members' fans aren't thrilled with most of the new adds and the western programs' fans are mad as hornets for being in what they refer to as a reformed CUSA.

Quote:Maybe eventually they'll join the Big East for all sports once UConn and perhaps Cincinnati leave that dumpster fire.

I thought they were all sports for the BE as soon as Louisville left? (At least they can claim they scared Louisville out of the conference - see Pirates fans, i can give you credit where it's due.. them Cards is scared of ya!)

(12-06-2012 06:24 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:17 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:14 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  Sunbelt schedule just sounds awesome.... We had to get out. We know that we didn't move up to the big leagues, but at least we didn't get held back and left for dead in what is now nothing more then the SunBelt.

I love how that less than two weeks ago, some of you ECU fans were DEFENDING the potential that these new schools added... now it's "left for dead".

This is the hypocrisy many of us were talking about earlier.. Everything's just fine while you were in the conference, but now that you're out, "Hey, let's just let the REAL feelings out about how we felt about those other schools".

Well just remember I was being honest about my opinion the whole time. Some didn't like that, and I said that plenty more ECU fans than just me felt the exact same way. Most kept it to themselves. I have defended ODU's potential, as I think it's sky high.

I too have kept my opinion the same that the Big East has been and oversized, overrated sack of crap. Now all the good schools are gone and replaced by some TV markets, Memphis basketball, Boise football and ECU's fan support. I call that a solid foundation to build on. Some of the people on here are hilarious with their Big East style delusions of grandeur.

(12-06-2012 07:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 06:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:17 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:14 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  Sunbelt schedule just sounds awesome.... We had to get out. We know that we didn't move up to the big leagues, but at least we didn't get held back and left for dead in what is now nothing more then the SunBelt.

I love how that less than two weeks ago, some of you ECU fans were DEFENDING the potential that these new schools added... now it's "left for dead".

This is the hypocrisy many of us were talking about earlier.. Everything's just fine while you were in the conference, but now that you're out, "Hey, let's just let the REAL feelings out about how we felt about those other schools".

ECU is BIG TIME now. I'm sure the nation will wait with held breath for their first game. I'm just wondering how long it will take for them to start whining again when they realize they are in the same conference they had been crying I mean trying to get out of all these years.

Geographically the new Big East makes sense for them so I don't blame them for that. But no matter how they try to spin it, they looked desperate when they took a FB only. Not that their basketball will be missed, in fact, their basketball program is an RPI killer and will fit perfectly in an inferior conference like the CAA. Maybe eventually they'll join the Big East for all sports once UConn and perhaps Cincinnati leave that dumpster fire.

what does that make CUSA? Hiroshima after the bomb went off...

any CUSA school would leave for the BE...any BE school would leave for the ACC...any ACC school would leave for the Big10/Big 12...any Big10/Big12 school would leave for the SEC.

it is the order of things...

(12-06-2012 07:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 07:03 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 06:58 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:17 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 05:14 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  Sunbelt schedule just sounds awesome.... We had to get out. We know that we didn't move up to the big leagues, but at least we didn't get held back and left for dead in what is now nothing more then the SunBelt.

I love how that less than two weeks ago, some of you ECU fans were DEFENDING the potential that these new schools added... now it's "left for dead".

This is the hypocrisy many of us were talking about earlier.. Everything's just fine while you were in the conference, but now that you're out, "Hey, let's just let the REAL feelings out about how we felt about those other schools".

ECU is BIG TIME now. I'm sure the nation will wait with held breath for their first game. I'm just wondering how long it will take for them to start whining again when they realize they are in the same conference they had been crying I mean trying to get out of all these years.

Geographically the new Big East makes sense for them so I don't blame them for that. But no matter how they try to spin it, they looked desperate when they took a FB only. Not that their basketball will be missed, in fact, their basketball program is an RPI killer and will fit perfectly in an inferior conference like the CAA. Maybe eventually they'll join the Big East for all sports once UConn and perhaps Cincinnati leave that dumpster fire.

what does that make CUSA? Hiroshima after the bomb went off...

any CUSA school would leave for the BE...any BE school would leave for the ACC...any ACC school would leave for the Big10/Big 12...any Big10/Big12 school would leave for the SEC.

it is the order of things...

The new Big East is a DUMPSTER FIRE.

C-USA, MWC, MAC, WAC and Sun Belt were always a dumpster fire since the creation of the BCS back in '98. Unlike those five conferences, the Big East had a seat in the big boy's table and with the defections it had the last 9 years and the demotion from prime time to irrelevancy, the Big East is nothing but a dumpster fire regardless how in denial its fans are.

(12-06-2012 07:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ...any Big10/Big12 school would leave for the SEC.

...

There is not one single B1G team that would go to the SEC. Not one

(12-06-2012 07:50 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 07:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ...any Big10/Big12 school would leave for the SEC.

...

There is not one single B1G team that would go to the SEC. Not one

They'd rather just get beat by them

The last time I checked ECU is still in cUSA until 2014.

I wonder what the nBE will look like in 2014. Isnt 6 the minimum required?

UCF
USF
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Memphis
SMU > MWC
Cinncy > ACC
UCONN > ACC
Houston > MWC
Boise > MWC
SDSU > MWC

(12-06-2012 08:13 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  The last time I checked ECU is still in cUSA until 2014.

I wonder what the nBE will look like in 2014. Isnt 6 the minimum required?

UCF
USF
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Memphis
SMU > MWC
Cinncy > ACC
UCONN > ACC
Houston > MWC
Boise > MWC
SDSU > MWC

Dude sometimes I think you belong in an mental ward.

Until the basketball schools break away I don't see Houston and SMU going anywhere. With that being said, if ACC takes UConn and Cincy, the basketball schools break away.

Geesh, UCF fans back trying to argue the buyout amount? This was beat to death in the months after it was announced with articles detailing the buyouts. After it was proven it was millions, not $500k, the UCF fans shut up. Oh well, short memories make for unknowing bliss I guess.

(12-06-2012 03:21 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  he also says the MWC makes 3 mil a year per school, which they dont...... he's taking his numbers from McMurphy....... this isn't what they really are

Yep, after reviewing the 990's for both conferences I was surprised to see how much more money C-USA brings in than the MWC. Tulsa seems willing to take the financial hit -- I would assume -- because of historical relationships with some of those schools and the eastward movement of the league's expansion. I don't get the same sense that UTEP is "as willing" to take the financial hit as Tulsa.

(12-06-2012 08:20 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(12-06-2012 08:13 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  The last time I checked ECU is still in cUSA until 2014.

I wonder what the nBE will look like in 2014. Isnt 6 the minimum required?

UCF
USF
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Memphis
SMU > MWC
Cinncy > ACC
UCONN > ACC
Houston > MWC
Boise > MWC
SDSU > MWC

Dude sometimes I think you belong in an mental ward.

Hell, I thought both of you were sharing a room together in the mental ward.