Jump froggy, jump.

(12-10-2012 11:31 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:30 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I don't blame them at all.

They aren't the type of schools to be partnering up with smu ucf and Houston

What's the difference between partnering with UCF versus USF?

ummmm... NONE

Houston has more built in cred than most. Larry Brown @ SMU is GOD! Get over yourself, d*uche canoe.

Usf was far from ideal for them, but it didn't drive them away, nor make them request special rules to avoid playing them, nor coincide with the bcs changing the rules to downgrade the big east to a mid major

The new schools suck, and as much as you guys want to beat usf down to your level, we were picked over all of you in 03 and didn't ruin the league

(12-10-2012 11:37 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  The new schools suck, and as much as you guys want to beat usf down to your level, we were picked over all of you in 03 and didn't ruin the league

ROFL! And so it comes out...

This is all because you can't play the Mother Superior card over UCF anymore.

Get lost.

(12-10-2012 11:37 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:31 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:30 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I don't blame them at all.

They aren't the type of schools to be partnering up with smu ucf and Houston

What's the difference between partnering with UCF versus USF?

ummmm... NONE

Houston has more built in cred than most. Larry Brown @ SMU is GOD! Get over yourself, d*uche canoe.

Usf was far from ideal for them, but it didn't drive them away, nor make them request special rules to avoid playing them, nor coincide with the bcs changing the rules to downgrade the big east to a mid major

The new schools suck, and as much as you guys want to beat usf down to your level, we were picked over all of you in 03 and didn't ruin the league

Not smack talk here at all....But if USF is on such a level above the likes of UCF and Houston how come you guys are stuck in a conference with them??? I am sure the Big East schools leftover when VT, Miami, and BC left were jumping head over heels to be in a conference with USF, Cincy, and UL. It would be one thing to have a UCONN fan here having this conversation but a USF fan doing it is a little over the top. The bottom line is all the schools involved in the new Big East are outcasts of College Football...Not quite the lowest level of schools but just not quite good enough to be with the Cool Kids.

(12-10-2012 11:34 PM)nert Wrote:  A couple questions - completely serious:

1) If they (the Catholic 7) are intending to leave (and abandon the BigEast BB credits) and they would have the power to just disband the conference entirely (and again - lose the BB credits); then why would they leave instead of disband?

Either way, they lose the BB credits/exit fees etc - but the name of the conference would not go with the all-sports or FB-only schools (most of whom have never played in the BigEast) if they just disband the conference. Besides, if the 7 Catholic schools left, only 3 current BigEast schools would remain (UConn, Cincinnati and USF) with UConn and Cincinnati both rumored to be looking to bail, and only UConn beign a pre-BigEast FB 2.0 member. Only those 3 schools would have been in BigEast BB to earn any of those credits, so why leave them to a group of schools that never earned any of them?

2) If a conference disbands, do the conference BB credits revert to the schools that earned them? If they do, that would make me believe that disbanding is the more likely course of action.

3) Do the 7 catholic schools have to pay exit fees if they leave? Again - this would favor disbanding.

1 and 3. They wouldn't just leave, they would either have to kick out the FB school or dissolve the conference. Technically, they can't just leave without negotiating something. If they simply chose to leave, they would owe $5M in exit fees each and have to provide 27 months notice, just like everyone else.

2. If the conference dissolves, the NCAA credits revert back directly to the schools that earned them - including WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. Of the 7 non-FB schools, there are some that wouldn't earn any.

(12-10-2012 11:37 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:31 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:30 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I don't blame them at all.

They aren't the type of schools to be partnering up with smu ucf and Houston

What's the difference between partnering with UCF versus USF?

ummmm... NONE

Houston has more built in cred than most. Larry Brown @ SMU is GOD! Get over yourself, d*uche canoe.

Usf was far from ideal for them, but it didn't drive them away, nor make them request special rules to avoid playing them, nor coincide with the bcs changing the rules to downgrade the big east to a mid major

The new schools suck, and as much as you guys want to beat usf down to your level, we were picked over all of you in 03 and didn't ruin the league

Well at least you did a lot with that opportunity you've had for the last 8 years...oh wait....

(12-10-2012 11:22 PM)monty Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:14 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:13 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 10:56 PM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  This is a blessing in disguise- if they bail and the fb only schools become full members- BYU/AFA could reconsider- Fresno, UNLV, & New Mexico would definitely join. This is the best thing for the new Big East Schools.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I did not however think about this in regard to AFA and BYU. You might have a good point. At that point...I think a name change might be in order. Any ideas?

METRO

Nah...The second you do that everyone will ***** at ECU for not being Metro enough.

I think you guys are good



just kidding of course

Now that is some funny ****!

(12-10-2012 11:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  As BECB blogger Mark Ennis put it:

Quote:Mark Ennis ‏@Mengus22

Big East catholic schools met privately to discuss ways to have even less money.

Louisville blogger who likes to tell folks who disagree with him to "shut up".

(12-10-2012 11:30 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I don't blame them at all.

They aren't the type of schools to be partnering up with smu ucf and Houston

With nd Pitt & cuse gone they have no attachment to this league beyond uconn

They would pprob make about the same if they started their own new league, and it would be more in line with their values and history

This "type of school" over here in Orlando handed you your a$$ on a platter in your own arena, in your season opener, in your first game of your renovated arena.

This type of school has done more, and gotten more, than you have in an inferior conference.

(12-10-2012 11:53 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:30 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I don't blame them at all.

They aren't the type of schools to be partnering up with smu ucf and Houston

With nd Pitt & cuse gone they have no attachment to this league beyond uconn

They would pprob make about the same if they started their own new league, and it would be more in line with their values and history

This "type of school" over here in Orlando handed you your a$$ on a platter in your own arena, in your season opener, in your first game of your renovated arena.

This type of school has done more, and gotten more, than you have in an inferior conference.

This.

(12-10-2012 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:37 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  The new schools suck, and as much as you guys want to beat usf down to your level, we were picked over all of you in 03 and didn't ruin the league

ROFL! And so it comes out...

This is all because you can't play the Mother Superior card over UCF anymore.

Get lost.

Bit of a reach there

My point is, if usf is no different than the rest of you, why were we the only one taken in 03?

I actually just hate this league, I'd be fine being in a conference with ucf, assuming no acc invite comes, but at this point I'd prefer a regional league over this monstrosity

(12-10-2012 10:52 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  Wow, let me ask whose idea were some of this new teams.

All I can say is, leave, take your ball and go home.

Obviously not the BBall schools. So quit trying to put Tulane on our plate. Like I've been saying, the BBall schools have been rubber stamping everything the FB schools wanted. Looks like they are sick and tired of it.

Good tell them to take Tulane with them.

Or can we uninvite Tulane?

(12-10-2012 11:41 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:34 PM)nert Wrote:  A couple questions - completely serious:

1) If they (the Catholic 7) are intending to leave (and abandon the BigEast BB credits) and they would have the power to just disband the conference entirely (and again - lose the BB credits); then why would they leave instead of disband?

Either way, they lose the BB credits/exit fees etc - but the name of the conference would not go with the all-sports or FB-only schools (most of whom have never played in the BigEast) if they just disband the conference. Besides, if the 7 Catholic schools left, only 3 current BigEast schools would remain (UConn, Cincinnati and USF) with UConn and Cincinnati both rumored to be looking to bail, and only UConn beign a pre-BigEast FB 2.0 member. Only those 3 schools would have been in BigEast BB to earn any of those credits, so why leave them to a group of schools that never earned any of them?

2) If a conference disbands, do the conference BB credits revert to the schools that earned them? If they do, that would make me believe that disbanding is the more likely course of action.

3) Do the 7 catholic schools have to pay exit fees if they leave? Again - this would favor disbanding.

1 and 3. They wouldn't just leave, they would either have to kick out the FB school or dissolve the conference. Technically, they can't just leave without negotiating something. If they simply chose to leave, they would owe $5M in exit fees each and have to provide 27 months notice, just like everyone else.

2. If the conference dissolves, the NCAA credits revert back directly to the schools that earned them - including WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. Of the 7 non-FB schools, there are some that wouldn't earn any.

What if the non-footballs have the votes and they come to the rest and offer a settlement. The league pays them an amount equal to their earned units (what they would receive in a dissolution), plus a share of the forfeited units from Louisville, Syracuse etc., and then they just leave and do whatever they want to do. Both would be better off than if they dissolved.
Hopefully, it won't come to that.

(12-10-2012 10:56 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 10:50 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Welp. The non-FB schools have until July 1 with a 7-3 majority (or 7-4 if Temple has full voting rights), which is enough to dissolve the conference, but not enough to expel members. Dissolving the conference is a losing proposition for them. They would lose out on millions in NCAA tournament credits and without football they would not get anywhere close to as good a TV deal. I think this might just be a bluff to make sure they get as much fromt he TV deal as possible.

So they with the majority are the ones calling the shots on the new additions and at the same time trying to exit?

Nice, kind of explains the additions and the lack of a western addition.

THEY CAN'T VOTE ON FB ONLY MEMBERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, how dense are you people?

(12-10-2012 11:35 PM)k5james Wrote:  Jump froggy, jump.

Lol

Wow... I had truthfully forgotten about Tulane

Bball schools deserve better than this

Ucf fan, great, you won a basketball game, when was your last tourney win?

(12-10-2012 11:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 10:52 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  Wow, let me ask whose idea were some of this new teams.

All I can say is, leave, take your ball and go home.

Obviously not the BBall schools. So quit trying to put Tulane on our plate. Like I've been saying, the BBall schools have been rubber stamping everything the FB schools wanted. Looks like they are sick and tired of it.

(12-10-2012 11:54 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 10:52 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  Wow, let me ask whose idea were some of this new teams.

All I can say is, leave, take your ball and go home.

Obviously not the BBall schools. So quit trying to put Tulane on our plate. Like I've been saying, the BBall schools have been rubber stamping everything the FB schools wanted. Looks like they are sick and tired of it.

Who has the votes?

(12-10-2012 11:41 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 11:34 PM)nert Wrote:  A couple questions - completely serious:

1) If they (the Catholic 7) are intending to leave (and abandon the BigEast BB credits) and they would have the power to just disband the conference entirely (and again - lose the BB credits); then why would they leave instead of disband?

Either way, they lose the BB credits/exit fees etc - but the name of the conference would not go with the all-sports or FB-only schools (most of whom have never played in the BigEast) if they just disband the conference. Besides, if the 7 Catholic schools left, only 3 current BigEast schools would remain (UConn, Cincinnati and USF) with UConn and Cincinnati both rumored to be looking to bail, and only UConn beign a pre-BigEast FB 2.0 member. Only those 3 schools would have been in BigEast BB to earn any of those credits, so why leave them to a group of schools that never earned any of them?

2) If a conference disbands, do the conference BB credits revert to the schools that earned them? If they do, that would make me believe that disbanding is the more likely course of action.

3) Do the 7 catholic schools have to pay exit fees if they leave? Again - this would favor disbanding.

1 and 3. They wouldn't just leave, they would either have to kick out the FB school or dissolve the conference. Technically, they can't just leave without negotiating something. If they simply chose to leave, they would owe $5M in exit fees each and have to provide 27 months notice, just like everyone else.

2. If the conference dissolves, the NCAA credits revert back directly to the schools that earned them - including WVU, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. Of the 7 non-FB schools, there are some that wouldn't earn any.

If that's the case, I see no reason for them to exit rather than dissolve the conference. Kicking schools out leads to ugly expensive law$uit$. Even if you're a Catholic school that's earned no BB credits of your own, you avoid the exit fee by voting for dissolution.

Who, at that point, would own the BigEast name? It is my understanding that the pre-FB expansion BigEast schools own the name together. A right they hold - unless they leave. That means that currently these 6 schools own the name: Providence, UConn, St.John's, SetonHall, Villanova, Georgetown. Would the name belong to UConn - or no one - or remain with the six since none of them "left" when it dissolved?

Could they simply re-group as a non-FB conference with the same name (or a different one) - and then invite only the schools they still wanted to join them (Marquette, DePaul and Cincinnati perhaps) and move on as if expansion 3.0 never happened? Of course, that creates issues for Cincinnati and UConn FB - but they are looking to leave anyway.

Interesting possibilities if any of this post is accurate.