(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

Make no mistake. Defensive improvement won us the 2011 CUSA Championship. They shut Case Keenum and threw him around like a rag doll for about 90% of that game. Offense was always there under LF

(12-19-2012 03:22 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

Make no mistake. Defensive improvement won us the 2011 CUSA Championship. They shut Case Keenum and threw him around like a rag doll for about 90% of that game. Offense was always there under LF

Yup....it's gonna take both again.

(12-19-2012 02:41 PM)EaglehasLanded Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 01:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 10:12 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I never thought the defense underachieved under Fedora. You have to put things in perspective. If you score seven touchdowns in a game, that's eight plus kickoffs the other team gets to return. Larry's strategy was always to turn the game into a shootout. He was never going for a 3-0 victory.

And I've never heard that weak schedule claim before. UVA and Houston were both perceived as pretty damned good until we tore them to shred in front of their own fans.

If I understand you correctly, an offense that generates points yeilds the opposition to a slightly smaller, equal, or more points generated? So, because we score, they should score based on opportunities? Hmmmm.....a very interesting scheme for success...

It's not that we score, it's that we scored a lot and/or quickly due to our hurry-up no huddle offense. But, regardless if we scored or not, the other team will have more possession per game as opposed to when they play a ball control offense who can burn 2 + minutes off the clock and never get a 1st down.
More possessions equals more opportunities to score. Your defense won't stop the other team every time, so generally speaking the other team will score more vs. you than they will against a team playing ball control offense.

That is correct but still doesn't explain why Bradford's D sucked and Disch/Duggan did not....think about how many 59-0 games you see against with the top ten vs. the mids....this is what makes these teams the best....when NC lost 68-fifty something...well maybe Disch wasn't the answer and Duggan was the the reason...time will tell....stoked about all the hires and will be in the stands both spring game and fall to witness...it got fun again just to be debating this way as opposed to the last season fiasco

(12-19-2012 03:47 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:22 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

Make no mistake. Defensive improvement won us the 2011 CUSA Championship. They shut Case Keenum and threw him around like a rag doll for about 90% of that game. Offense was always there under LF

Yup....it's gonna take both again.

....reminded me of the Carmody/Collins D's that day....Jamie Collins was a monster....motivation to excellence was achieved that day....they had no answer

(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

I think you are both right....we should not have lost to UAB....that IMO is indefensible....Marshall beat us....UCF should/could have....is a wash either way....was a great year for us regardless...and trust me, I wanted that Sugar as much as anyone

(12-19-2012 04:13 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

I think you are both right....we should not have lost to UAB....that IMO is indefensible....Marshall beat us....UCF should/could have....is a wash either way....was a great year for us regardless...and trust me, I wanted that Sugar as much as anyone

Fed was not good at getting the team up for revenge games, that's for sure. We should have Bower on retainer just to bring in for motivation when playing a team that beat us the previous year :)

(12-19-2012 03:22 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

Make no mistake. Defensive improvement won us the 2011 CUSA Championship. They shut Case Keenum and threw him around like a rag doll for about 90% of that game. Offense was always there under LF

You could say that a reason we lost 1-2 games in 2010 was because our offense couldn't convert in the red zone. Didn't Hrapmann have more FG att. than almost every kicker in the nation that year? I know we lost a couple games by a TD or less.

(12-19-2012 06:08 PM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  You could say that a reason we lost 1-2 games in 2010 was because our offense couldn't convert in the red zone. Didn't Hrapmann have more FG att. than almost every kicker in the nation that year? I know we lost a couple games by a TD or less.

Dont' forget, we lost the UAB game in 2011 because Danny H. doinked one FG attempt from the far right hashmark into the goal post.

We get that FG and the UAB game is an entirely different outcome.

(12-19-2012 06:11 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 06:08 PM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  You could say that a reason we lost 1-2 games in 2010 was because our offense couldn't convert in the red zone. Didn't Hrapmann have more FG att. than almost every kicker in the nation that year? I know we lost a couple games by a TD or less.

Dont' forget, we lost the UAB game in 2011 because Danny H. doinked one FG attempt from the far right hashmark into the goal post.

We get that FG and the UAB game is an entirely different outcome.

...no way I buy into that....UCF failed conversion is same vein (especially first game of the year)....to talk about a missed FG against UAB is akin to slappin' the happy vs. the real thing...c'mom, it's UAB....am sick we have lost the last four...this year was deserved....and apparently the rest since they won the first freakin' game....any way you cut it, the result is the same....as in golf, they don't ask you how, just how many!

(12-19-2012 09:04 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...no way I buy into that....UCF failed conversion is same vein (especially first game of the year)....to talk about a missed FG against UAB is akin to slappin' the happy vs. the real thing...c'mom, it's UAB....am sick we have lost the last four...

We lost fair and square, stink.. but we finally got some momentum back in that game, when we doinked that kick in 2011, and lost by 3 because of that last drive/FG that UAB scored. It's just the way it goes in some games.

I'm just like everyone else, and hope that UAb streak is over :)

(12-19-2012 06:08 PM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:22 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 03:19 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  The reason I think the 2011 D was a lot better than eaglenjxn does, is that they were coming off three years of Bradford. It was a complete change in priorities, methods, aggression, etc. Given that, it was an amazing one year turn around. It takes more than one season to undo 3 seasons of crap.

Make no mistake. Defensive improvement won us the 2011 CUSA Championship. They shut Case Keenum and threw him around like a rag doll for about 90% of that game. Offense was always there under LF

You could say that a reason we lost 1-2 games in 2010 was because our offense couldn't convert in the red zone. Didn't Hrapmann have more FG att. than almost every kicker in the nation that year? I know we lost a couple games by a TD or less.

...or you could say Bradford was a fkn moron....you basically say their offense was better than ours against a soft zone...wow, paramount in anal fortitude....

(12-19-2012 09:08 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 09:04 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...no way I buy into that....UCF failed conversion is same vein (especially first game of the year)....to talk about a missed FG against UAB is akin to slappin' the happy vs. the real thing...c'mom, it's UAB....am sick we have lost the last four...

We lost fair and square, stink.. but we finally got some momentum back in that game, when we doinked that kick in 2011, and lost by 3 because of that last drive/FG that UAB scored. It's just the way it goes in some games.

I'm just like everyone else, and hope that UAb streak is over :)

Attaboy and true dat sir!

(12-19-2012 06:11 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 06:08 PM)southernmiss4ever Wrote:  You could say that a reason we lost 1-2 games in 2010 was because our offense couldn't convert in the red zone. Didn't Hrapmann have more FG att. than almost every kicker in the nation that year? I know we lost a couple games by a TD or less.

Dont' forget, we lost the UAB game in 2011 because Danny H. doinked one FG attempt from the far right hashmark into the goal post.

We get that FG and the UAB game is an entirely different outcome.

Also, give Perry credit. He made some unbelievable throws into very tight coverage on numerous third downs.

(12-19-2012 04:01 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 02:41 PM)EaglehasLanded Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 01:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 10:12 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  I never thought the defense underachieved under Fedora. You have to put things in perspective. If you score seven touchdowns in a game, that's eight plus kickoffs the other team gets to return. Larry's strategy was always to turn the game into a shootout. He was never going for a 3-0 victory.

And I've never heard that weak schedule claim before. UVA and Houston were both perceived as pretty damned good until we tore them to shred in front of their own fans.

If I understand you correctly, an offense that generates points yeilds the opposition to a slightly smaller, equal, or more points generated? So, because we score, they should score based on opportunities? Hmmmm.....a very interesting scheme for success...

It's not that we score, it's that we scored a lot and/or quickly due to our hurry-up no huddle offense. But, regardless if we scored or not, the other team will have more possession per game as opposed to when they play a ball control offense who can burn 2 + minutes off the clock and never get a 1st down.
More possessions equals more opportunities to score. Your defense won't stop the other team every time, so generally speaking the other team will score more vs. you than they will against a team playing ball control offense.

That is correct but still doesn't explain why Bradford's D sucked and Disch/Duggan did not....think about how many 59-0 games you see against with the top ten vs. the mids....this is what makes these teams the best....when NC lost 68-fifty something...well maybe Disch wasn't the answer and Duggan was the the reason...time will tell....stoked about all the hires and will be in the stands both spring game and fall to witness...it got fun again just to be debating this way as opposed to the last season fiasco

So if we win 5 games next year, which one of you is right? The one who says that Monken/Duggan are geniuses for engineering a 5-win turnaround, or the one who says we're still fielding a losing team?

I have a feeling that's going to be the main question next year.