If this is true, then something is up. Either the TV deal money is really bad or even possibly a new league, Big XII invite (not likely). I just do not see Boise going back to the Mountain West without something completely unexpected.

I would also look towards a collusion between Boise and BYU in some way. Possibly a separate deal within the broader MWC deal.

(12-21-2012 05:38 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  If BSU backs out or leaves or whatever, then the new big east becomes best of CUSA plus UConn minus Loserville. Oh well.

minus Cinci, minus UConn....well, probably pretty soon anyway

why wouldn't BE want to bring in La Tech and So Miss? I know their CUSA and not in high density areas, but they could both be pretty good programs.

Thanks for the exit fees.

(12-21-2012 05:42 PM)maccoog Wrote:  If this comes to pass, it will be interesting to see who UH and SMU cast their lot with.

Indeed!

Thamel and Dodd are feeding this story . . . irresponsible journalism . . . gotta say Twitter has been the worst thing that happens to sports journalism . . . these guys think their Hollywood stars . . . what ever happened to get at least two sources? Now it's, who can be the first to tweet it; and forget about whether you get it right . . . just move on to the next story, rumor, tweet, etc. . .

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs
"New Mexico, Colorado St. showing prelim interest in coaxing BYU, Boise State to form new league." http://cbsprt.co/TcJudz

Full disclosure: who profits from this: CBSSports - keep Boise State, get BYU, keep the MWC from becoming a worthless conference if it loses Boise State, SDSU, Fresno State, and UNLV. . . of course, I don't see that spelled out anywhere in the story . . .

(12-21-2012 05:56 PM)kellenmartin Wrote:  If this is true, then something is up. Either the TV deal money is really bad or even possibly a new league, Big XII invite (not likely). I just do not see Boise going back to the Mountain West without something completely unexpected.

I would also look towards a collusion between Boise and BYU in some way. Possibly a separate deal within the broader MWC deal.

Its just math. If the 30-40 million estimates are legit, that could be as little as 2.1 million a team. Boise only would get the football only portion of that--say 1.5 million. Then they have to pay travel subsidies to all the Big West teams (900K total). The Big East is paying for about half that, so its about 500K. That leaves Boise making 1 million off TV. They make 800K in the MW. Add to that, Boise would need to pay MW exit fees, Big East entry fees, and Big West entry fees. Additionally, extra travel likley easts up the tiny 200K extra they earn in the BE. The Big East only works for Boise if all-sports teams earn 8-10 million. If we are not getting that, then Boise and SDSU are gone. The dollars simply dont work otherwise.

The math gets better if the west is all sports. Boise gets a full share and pays no travel subsidies. They also have no entry fee for the Big west. So Boise goes from 800K to 2 million a year. Travel expenses eat up some for that, but they at least they dont have to throw thier olympic sports under the bus. They do have to pay MW exit fees and a BE entry fee. In this senario, if all-sports teams can earn 4-5 million, then it works well for Boise (at 2-3 its pretty borderline).

Just can't find anything positive to take out of any of this any more. Aresco must be on suicide watch.

(12-21-2012 06:01 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Thanks for the exit fees.

From who? BSU/SDSU/HOU/SMU have negotiated buyouts for peanuts if things do not work out.

(12-21-2012 06:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 05:56 PM)kellenmartin Wrote:  If this is true, then something is up. Either the TV deal money is really bad or even possibly a new league, Big XII invite (not likely). I just do not see Boise going back to the Mountain West without something completely unexpected.

I would also look towards a collusion between Boise and BYU in some way. Possibly a separate deal within the broader MWC deal.

Its just math. If the 30-40 million estimates are legit, that could be as little as 2.1 million a team. Boise only would get the football only portion of that--say 1.5 million. Then they have to pay 900K in travel subsidies fro all the Big West teams. The Big East is paying for about half that, so its about 500K. That leaves Boise making 1 million off TV. They make 800K in the MW. Add to that, Boise would need to pay MW exit fees, Big East entry fees, and Big West entry fees. Additionally, extra travel likley easts up the tiny 200K extra they earn in the BE. The Big East only works for Boise if all-sports teams earn 8-10 million. If we are not getting that, then Boise and SDSU are gone. The dollars simply dont work otherwise.

It is just speculation. But whatever...

(12-21-2012 06:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 05:56 PM)kellenmartin Wrote:  If this is true, then something is up. Either the TV deal money is really bad or even possibly a new league, Big XII invite (not likely). I just do not see Boise going back to the Mountain West without something completely unexpected.

I would also look towards a collusion between Boise and BYU in some way. Possibly a separate deal within the broader MWC deal.

Its just math. If the 30-40 million estimates are legit, that could be as little as 2.1 million a team. Boise only would get the football only portion of that--say 1.5 million. Then they have to pay 900K in travel subsidies fro all the Big West teams. The Big East is paying for about half that, so its about 500K. That leaves Boise making 1 million off TV. They make 800K in the MW. Add to that, Boise would need to pay MW exit fees, Big East entry fees, and Big West entry fees. Additionally, extra travel likley easts up the tiny 200K extra they earn in the BE. The Big East only works for Boise if all-sports teams earn 8-10 million. If we are not getting that, then Boise and SDSU are gone. The dollars simply dont work otherwise.

You are likely right. I just do not want to go back to a MWC sans BYU, TCU and Utah. I would really like the nBE to work out, if not, I would like a new league with BSU, BYU, Houston, SMU, Fresno and SDSU at the core.

(12-21-2012 06:01 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Thanks for the exit fees.

Are there fees if the league is defunct? Plus, I think all the new schools have agreements that the TV deal has a minimum that has to be met.

(12-21-2012 06:07 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:01 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Thanks for the exit fees.

Are there fees if the league is defunct? Plus, I think all the new schools have agreements that the TV deal has a minimum that has to be met.

No. If the league is defunct there are no fees. But the bigger issue is--where do we go? A new league has no auto bids, no contract, and no bowls.

(12-21-2012 06:07 PM)kellenmartin Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 05:56 PM)kellenmartin Wrote:  If this is true, then something is up. Either the TV deal money is really bad or even possibly a new league, Big XII invite (not likely). I just do not see Boise going back to the Mountain West without something completely unexpected.

I would also look towards a collusion between Boise and BYU in some way. Possibly a separate deal within the broader MWC deal.

Its just math. If the 30-40 million estimates are legit, that could be as little as 2.1 million a team. Boise only would get the football only portion of that--say 1.5 million. Then they have to pay 900K in travel subsidies fro all the Big West teams. The Big East is paying for about half that, so its about 500K. That leaves Boise making 1 million off TV. They make 800K in the MW. Add to that, Boise would need to pay MW exit fees, Big East entry fees, and Big West entry fees. Additionally, extra travel likley easts up the tiny 200K extra they earn in the BE. The Big East only works for Boise if all-sports teams earn 8-10 million. If we are not getting that, then Boise and SDSU are gone. The dollars simply dont work otherwise.

You are likely right. I just do not want to go back to a MWC sans BYU, TCU and Utah. I would really like the nBE to work out, if not, I would like a new league with BSU, BYU, Houston, SMU, Fresno and SDSU at the core.

I'd be VERY happy with something with that base. We couldnt go back to CUSA even if we wanted to. No room at the inn.

If (and I'll keep it as an if) they back out, I see it one of two ways, both of which we have recent history to suggest is possible.

1. The Mountain West will offer Boise as very disproportionate amount of the revenue. Likely they'd just let Boise State keep the rights to its home games which it could sell itself to ESPN or whomever wanted them. The Mountain West's network partners (FOX, CBS?) would agree to this because getting the road games is still valuable and it's a heck of a lot better prospect than having the Mountain West gutted by the Big East (which is the likely outcome if Boise State moves that way).

History: We know Boise waited until the absolute last hour to send a withdrawal notice before and the Mountain West made an offer to keep them that would have let them keep more revenue. Knowing the Mountain West is likely to either expand or lose western members to the Big East, there is probably even more incentive for them to offer everything they can now.

2. The Mountain West could be offering both BYU and Boise State Olympic sports conferences, while the 2 could be football independents.

History: The WAC offered the same thing to BYU already and the Mountain West composition includes a lot of former WAC members.

(12-21-2012 06:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:07 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 06:01 PM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  Thanks for the exit fees.

Are there fees if the league is defunct? Plus, I think all the new schools have agreements that the TV deal has a minimum that has to be met.

No. If the league is defunct there are no fees. But the bigger issue is--where do we go? A new league has no auto bids, no contract, and no bowls.

Well, you guys will likely get invited to the MW almost immediately with SMU. We're going to be left on the island of misfit toys waiting on SantAresco to rescue us. What a clusterfudge...

(12-21-2012 05:44 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Like I have been saying all along, the all-sports conference idea never will work. Boise State has to do what is best for their school, which is probably go back to the MWC or seek other options. As usual, I turn out to be correct.

Actually, no, you're wrong. An all sport conference will work fine. The problem is that both the nBE and the MWC have too many weak sisters to put together a strong one.

What we really need is the 6-8 best eastern football schools and the top 6-8 football schools from the west. Without the weak sisters.

Yoda out...

Sensing a lot of bridesmaids on this board. Get over it, the conference is/was never going to work.

(12-21-2012 06:15 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 05:44 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Like I have been saying all along, the all-sports conference idea never will work. Boise State has to do what is best for their school, which is probably go back to the MWC or seek other options. As usual, I turn out to be correct.

Actually, no, you're wrong. An all sport conference will work fine. The problem is that both the nBE and the MWC have too many weak sisters to put together a strong one.

What we really need is the 6-8 best eastern football schools and the top 6-8 football schools from the west. Without the weak sisters.
Yoda out...

Thought that was where this was going. There was a chance after RU and Ville took off.

(12-21-2012 06:15 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 05:44 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Like I have been saying all along, the all-sports conference idea never will work. Boise State has to do what is best for their school, which is probably go back to the MWC or seek other options. As usual, I turn out to be correct.

Actually, no, you're wrong. An all sport conference will work fine. The problem is that both the nBE and the MWC have too many weak sisters to put together a strong one.

What we really need is the 6-8 best eastern football schools and the top 6-8 football schools from the west. Without the weak sisters.

Yoda out...

No, not really. The only way it would work is if the separate divisions didn't play cross over games, which essentially is just 2 conferences.