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RE: Some have bashed ECU but I want to be fair
TH has been an asset to ECU. When he said that the BE provides the "best competitive environment for ECU" how is this wrong? Does the BE not do this for ECU? It is hard for me to argue that the BE is not a more competitive environment for ECU than the one we are in. TH speaks the truth. This does not mean that he does not respect the teams that are left in Conf USA. He respects them like most ECU fans do.
12-27-2012 08:36 PM
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ECU is ok in my book. I grew up only 45 minutes from the school and partook in many of the *attractions* the school had to offer. There are only a couple of ECU fans on this board that are loco but every team has those. Besides, as a founding member of the orginal CUSA I believe Charlotte helped ECU get into the league and then, many years later, ECU returned the favor.
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AD Terry Holland Quotes:

"It is our intention for today’s announcement to be a strong first step toward finding the best competitive environment possible for ECU’s 19 varsity sports. Big East football provides an opportunity to renew old rivalries and begin new ones, both of which will be exciting for our players, coaches and fans. A football-only membership provided ECU’s gateway to an all sports membership in C-USA and a number of other successful programs, including Virginia Tech, received their opportunity through a football-only membership in the Big East."

Chancellor Steve Ballard Quotes:

"We look forward to renewing many rivalries we've had previously. We've had great contests with UCF." "We've had great rivalries with Louisville and Cincinnati in the past."

"We have nothing but great feelings for Conference USA"
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I hate to see ECU get into what is an obvious sinking ship. I wish them the best, however.
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(12-27-2012 07:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I really don't think TH was trying to trash USM or even Marshall, but lets be honest about the schools coming into CUSA, they are not the equivalent of the schools that are leaving. Which situation would be the better long term play? What would you have done in that situation?

Since we are talking football here. LA Tech would whipe the mat with Memphis and embarss Tulane. They would also go toe to toe with UCF and ECU, probably winning one. I think MTSU would also beat Memphis and Tulane. Schools like MTSU and Ark State have been Memphis Kryptonite.

Im going to give the new schools such as ODU, Charlotte and UTSA a full recruiting cycle to pass judgement. Right now all of them are way to small, they just don't have the size for CUSA.

I'll say it again as it still is true. The only thing CUSA has really lost is Memphis basketball.
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I can say that most of the ECU fans I talk to aren't nearly as excited about the move as the few who post here and throw it in people's faces. I fully understand other fans giving it back. The only unfortunate part is that both schools, or at least fan bases, get all rolled into one and what should be a couple people having an argument turns into a full blown :scout:storm because people see something negative written about their university and feel the need to respond in kind.

I know that a lot of this stuff is being started by teams leaving so I try to take comments about my school with a grain of salt and keep my mouth shut instead of perpetuating the smack talk with schools I greatly respect.

As to TH's comments, I'm sure if you asked him in a personal discussion what schools we share a lot in common with and a lot of history with, USM and Marshall would be near the top of the list. I'm not saying this to put anyone down but on the same topic we obviously share a lot more with Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Cincinnati, UCF, SMU and even Temple than with UTSA, North Texas, FIU, etc. There is also the possibility (and this is pure speculation) that maybe if we decline the invite (which I don't think there was really a chance of anyway) that USM or Marshall might be invited in our place. Then we wouldn't be in the same conference either and would be with a lot of new teams instead of ones that we have played for years.
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(12-27-2012 11:19 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  There is also the possibility (and this is pure speculation) that maybe if we decline the invite (which I don't think there was really a chance of anyway) that USM or Marshall might be invited in our place.

I don't think Mike Hamrick would have accepted. And don't think Dr Kopp would have wrote off on it. Hamrick along with Holland were the most vocal about getting ODU, Charlotte, FIU and tried to get MUTS before all this went down. Also Marshall just doesn't have 10-12 million dollars to play around with.
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Glad to see ECU go elsewhere. C-USA will be much classier in the next few seasons without ECU, UCF, and Houston. I will miss Tulane. SMU has never done anything to be even mentioned in this paragraph. Memphis has been a rival forever, but like ECU, they have moved past such considerations.

C-USA will send postcards from the BCS bowl.
12-27-2012 11:39 PM
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I imagine that ECU fans that like to travel to away games can't be too thrilled with the new Big East. You give up an instate conference rival and an even closer conference rival in the next state for UCF, Memphis and Temple being the "close" games. None of those are day trips. Nature of the beast though.
12-28-2012 12:26 AM
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(12-27-2012 11:39 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Glad to see ECU go elsewhere. C-USA will be much classier in the next few seasons without ECU, UCF, and Houston. I will miss Tulane. SMU has never done anything to be even mentioned in this paragraph. Memphis has been a rival forever, but like ECU, they have moved past such considerations.

C-USA will send postcards from the BCS bowl.

It's interesting that of all of the schools who have left, Tulane is the only one you will miss. Forget market size, success on the court and/or field. History. You choose the school whose fans you like most on message boards. Interesting logic.
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(12-27-2012 11:39 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Glad to see ECU go elsewhere. C-USA will be much classier in the next few seasons without ECU, UCF, and Houston. I will miss Tulane. SMU has never done anything to be even mentioned in this paragraph. Memphis has been a rival forever, but like ECU, they have moved past such considerations.

C-USA will send postcards from the BCS bowl.

Can you honestly say that you think USM is better off in a conference with FIU, UAB, & UNT than they would be with Memphis, ECU, Houston, & UCF?
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(12-28-2012 03:29 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 11:39 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Glad to see ECU go elsewhere. C-USA will be much classier in the next few seasons without ECU, UCF, and Houston. I will miss Tulane. SMU has never done anything to be even mentioned in this paragraph. Memphis has been a rival forever, but like ECU, they have moved past such considerations.

C-USA will send postcards from the BCS bowl.

Can you honestly say that you think USM is better off in a conference with FIU, UAB, & UNT than they would be with Memphis, ECU, Houston, & UCF?

I will not bash FIU, UNT and certainly not UAB as I will not Memphis, Houston, UCF or ECU. Instead I will say that I have seen every team come and go from the conference and I will honestly say the only team I was thrilled to see go was Louisville. I wasn't crazy about TCU but I was apathetic about their leaving. I have good feelings about ECU, UCF, Memphis and while not that crazy about Houston I also am glad they were part of the conference and understand they think they are doing what is best for them and regardless of how that works out, I wish them the best.

I will miss Memphis because of our long series with them, but so many of those games were not that important (football speaking) but the basketball was a mark you wanted to pass with them. However, I think MTSU will be a tougher game in football, and the series will be better. ECU has been filled with many great games and most ECU fans I have met have been great and good football people, also USM was and is a strong supporter of ECU and a worthy rival. I will miss them for sure. UCF was a growing rivalry and the games were good, but I suspect that FIU or FAU will grow and be like UCF was in games against USM. I certainly prefer La. Tech over Tulane, and while Tulane is in my birth city and that alone gives Tulane a special hope from me that they do well, I doubt the conference or USM will lose much there.

I also know that USM would have jumped had the offer come and had the powers that be felt it was to the advantage of the school. I don't hold such a decision against any of the ones who have moved on and I wish them the best, but I also welcome the new teams (some we have played in football as far back as 1923 and off and on for years). I look forward to hopefully playing them year in and year out. I think the conference will be fine and as I said, I hope the ones leaving will do well.
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Thanks for the kind words, those of you who have shared them. Glad to hear many of you have had great experiences in Greenville, and hope that next year and going forward you can do so again. I share the sentiments of wishing to be in a conference with USM and Marshall again, though I'm hopeful (fading hope) that the BE will work out.

(12-27-2012 11:19 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  I can say that most of the ECU fans I talk to aren't nearly as excited about the move as the few who post here and throw it in people's faces. I fully understand other fans giving it back. The only unfortunate part is that both schools, or at least fan bases, get all rolled into one and what should be a couple people having an argument turns into a full blown :scout:storm because people see something negative written about their university and feel the need to respond in kind.

I know that a lot of this stuff is being started by teams leaving so I try to take comments about my school with a grain of salt and keep my mouth shut instead of perpetuating the smack talk with schools I greatly respect.

As to TH's comments, I'm sure if you asked him in a personal discussion what schools we share a lot in common with and a lot of history with, USM and Marshall would be near the top of the list. I'm not saying this to put anyone down but on the same topic we obviously share a lot more with Houston, Memphis, Tulane, Cincinnati, UCF, SMU and even Temple than with UTSA, North Texas, FIU, etc. There is also the possibility (and this is pure speculation) that maybe if we decline the invite (which I don't think there was really a chance of anyway) that USM or Marshall might be invited in our place. Then we wouldn't be in the same conference either and would be with a lot of new teams instead of ones that we have played for years.

There's good reason for that. If you simply look at the competition from this past season compared to competition in 2014 and taking into consideration that your average fan watches/reads sports news almost solely through ESPN it gets rather bland to that crowd. All the average crowd hears is the talking heads at ESPN laughing at the BE, that Boise is going to leave, and that UConn wants out (Cincy does as well just as much, but I think the average fan more recognizes the desire from UConn).

So essentially you're trading out USM and Marshall, two teams we play every year and have great rivalries with, for POTENTIALLY Temple and USF. That's no shot at either of those programs...but considering they aren't Boise calibur as an average fan you'd rather keep the rivalries. ECU fans know every year that the USM game was going to be one of the toughest in the east and a potential battle for the East crown. Marshall and ECU have such a rich history, and if you don't think the games mean anything look at the past two years -- two games that set the table for an intensification of the rivalry, which sadly will likely suffer starting in 2014.

It's difficult for the average ECU fan, because they see it as a lateral movement at best. The "Gang of 5" and potential money doesn't mean a ton to that fan...they just want to play top notch opponents, win, and play in an important bowl against a top class team. It's not a shot at UH, SMU, UCF and the rest of the crowd by any means. The games and competition with those three alone have been awesome the past few years. But it's sort of like moving from the house you've grown up in to the house next door, and they're both cookie cutter houses. Nothing is REALLY changing...same neighborhood, same payments, same worth of the house.

Only we lost two of the neighbors we liked the most (USM and Marshall).
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(12-27-2012 07:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 06:53 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 06:47 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 05:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So in otherwords, according to Terry you had more in common and better relationships with the basketball schools that just left than with USM's?

Stop right there...considering our invite was for football only, I think you are way off base there. Take that out and then try to reformulate your issues with TH.

Like I said, Gray, this is, honestly, the only time I've ever had an issue with TH's comments...

and I still think the ECU administration knew that if/when Louisville left (again, I think it was more of a when), the FB only invite would become an all-sports invite. (but I can only go on my personal gut-feeling on that one)

I really don't think TH was trying to trash USM or even Marshall, but lets be honest about the schools coming into CUSA, they are not the equivalent of the schools that are leaving. Which situation would be the better long term play? What would you have done in that situation?


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(12-27-2012 09:03 PM)VA49er Wrote:  ECU is ok in my book. I grew up only 45 minutes from the school and partook in many of the *attractions* the school had to offer. There are only a couple of ECU fans on this board that are loco but every team has those. Besides, as a founding member of the orginal CUSA I believe Charlotte helped ECU get into the league and then, many years later, ECU returned the favor.

This.....is so often conveniently forgotten by some. 03-banghead
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(12-28-2012 04:22 PM)919R Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 07:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 06:53 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 06:47 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  
(12-27-2012 05:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  So in otherwords, according to Terry you had more in common and better relationships with the basketball schools that just left than with USM's?

Stop right there...considering our invite was for football only, I think you are way off base there. Take that out and then try to reformulate your issues with TH.

Like I said, Gray, this is, honestly, the only time I've ever had an issue with TH's comments...

and I still think the ECU administration knew that if/when Louisville left (again, I think it was more of a when), the FB only invite would become an all-sports invite. (but I can only go on my personal gut-feeling on that one)

I really don't think TH was trying to trash USM or even Marshall, but lets be honest about the schools coming into CUSA, they are not the equivalent of the schools that are leaving. Which situation would be the better long term play? What would you have done in that situation?


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