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RE: The Truth About The 'Gang of 5' Re-Alignment 3 Ring Circus
(01-03-2013 10:39 PM)BuzDawg73 Wrote:  We all need a savior type person who speaks the gospel of common sense for athletics, and inspires school presidents to see the benefits. This would be one hell of a salesman. Is there such a person who can gain the ear of presidents from across the country? It is awfully hard to overcome greed and perceived superiority among schools.

You mean someone like this as linked below? He straighened out MLB many years ago and put Shoeless Joe out to pasture, too.

NCAA FBS college presidents coast to coast would have periodic fainting spells being around someone like ol' Kenesaw Mountain Landis, but he would stop a helluva lot of the non-sense (and non-cents) going on among the Gang of 5 and all the unique problems we have as a consortium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenesaw_Mountain_Landis
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Mark Emmert could be that person if it weren't for spending all his time talking to five other conferences.

All it would take would to invite 6 or 8 presidents out of the Big East, CUSA, or Sun Belt mess to come to Indy.

Explain to them it seems they are leaving money and common sense on the table with their far flung in efficient leagues and tell them he will assure all the rules on continuity of membership are preserved and an equitable preservation of basketball units will be imposed as long as they realign into some leagues that make sense and make sure everyone has a dance partner.

Wouldn't be the first time. When the Sun Belt collapsed after raids by Metro, Great Midwest, and CAA the NCAA found out that the American South was going to take two or three of the remaining four Sun Belt teams and the NCAA approached the Sun Belt and made up on the spot a procedure for merger that let the American South take the Sun Belt's units if they agreed to take all the teams.
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(01-04-2013 09:42 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Mark Emmert could be that person if it weren't for spending all his time talking to five other conferences.

All it would take would to invite 6 or 8 presidents out of the Big East, CUSA, or Sun Belt mess to come to Indy.

Explain to them it seems they are leaving money and common sense on the table with their far flung in efficient leagues and tell them he will assure all the rules on continuity of membership are preserved and an equitable preservation of basketball units will be imposed as long as they realign into some leagues that make sense and make sure everyone has a dance partner.

Wouldn't be the first time. When the Sun Belt collapsed after raids by Metro, Great Midwest, and CAA the NCAA found out that the American South was going to take two or three of the remaining four Sun Belt teams and the NCAA approached the Sun Belt and made up on the spot a procedure for merger that let the American South take the Sun Belt's units if they agreed to take all the teams.

Very nice pics. Arkstfan...

Did I read where yall were spending $20 million on other stadium improvements, expansions, etc.?

Is that facility in the pic an indoor practice facility?
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(01-03-2013 07:09 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  This from another message board poster--some will agree with its message and others will not. Wonder how the presidents of most of the Gang of 5 schools would think about its message? Still worth the entire read whether you agree with it or not.
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"I believe in the end result common sense will prevail. Fans like Cougar King are reacting as one would have in the past, when the rules of the game were different. Now we're all in the same boat, same BCS bowl access, similar TV money and needing a place for our programs to build and grow.

Here's the reality for Cougar King and UofH fans, you're fixing to break ground on a $140 million dollar stadium. The Big East was supposed to be bringing you $8-10 Million in revenue...now with the defections you'll get 2-3 if you are lucky. Are these Big East leftovers going to fill your shiny new stadium? And if you stay in the Big East you know that UConn and Cincy have one foot out the door. What happens then? Backfill with C-USA teams and start the cycle of unrest all over again because the eastern schools want school A and the western schools want school B? It's dumb...it makes no sense.

The Mountain West is the old WAC - ask SMU and Tulsa how that worked out for them. Late night games, long travel for student athletes...the revenue is the same, the BCS bowl access is the same.. it makes sense for schools in that region which is why Boise returned. And here's the reality, if you think Wyoming, CSU and some of the other Mountain West schools want another Texas school in the mix after their TCU experience you better think again. They know any Texas school will have an immediate recruiting advantage. And I refuse to believe that Wyoming and Utah State fans will flock to see games at Ford stadium or the new Houston one. Their fans and students aren't going to travel to those games and vice versa and you know it.

If NIU proved anything by getting to the BCS it is that what the MAC does promoting stability and regional rivalries makes the most sense. What's the advantage of having the best of the rest if the money and bowl access is the same? Why should you pull a La. Tech and prevent your seniors from a bowl game they earned because you are afraid of getting beat by a neighborhood program? It doesn't make sense!!

Boise made a reasonable decision by returning to the Mountain West. SDSU will follow shortly. Common sense will eventually prevail.

First off you have to limit the amount of move ups by setting clear standards or requirements for participating in FBS. That needs to happen quickly or it will force the big boys to try and break off on their own. 10 fingers and 10 toes should not be the FBS requirement any longer. Set some standards.

Take the gang of five schools and pull out a map. The Mountain West and the MAC are already pretty well set. Take the Big East, C-USA and Belt and cut it into regional sections that make sense. Where fans can jump into a car and get to games, where rivalries can develop and grow. If you have invested more in your program than others who you are joining it will come out in the wash because you will have more successful programs and have a better shot at the BCS windfall game, NCAA tourney bids etc. Put together a mini playoff among the regions and sell it to the highest bidder. Work out a deal with the NCAA where the winner gets the BCS spot... why not think outside of the box?

I understand Houston and SMU don't want to have to tell their fanbase they had to "Go Back" to C-USA -- Fine then, rename the damn thing. Call it the XYZ conference or Acme... give it a DBA...that way all the NCAA bids and units can stay in tact.

So many are so concerned about who they are aligning themselves with....here's a big secret, Boise moved back to the Mountain West in part because they expect to DOMINATE that conference every single year which means they have a good shot at a BCS bowl every single year which mean big dollars for their program and good recruiting. Their fanbase will get to attend a LOT of games and have A LOT of fun. In the new world order you should align yourself with teams that you feel you can compete against and win more times than not. Teams that are close enough for your fans to drive to so you can build interest and attendance and increase revenue.

Come to agreement on teams, regions and names and then, here's a novel idea -- work together!! Instead of fighting amongst yourselves, use your power in numbers to influence the NCAA by creating more BCS access (bigger playoff) and make a better road for the future."

Exactly
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(01-04-2013 04:17 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  
(01-04-2013 09:42 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Mark Emmert could be that person if it weren't for spending all his time talking to five other conferences.

All it would take would to invite 6 or 8 presidents out of the Big East, CUSA, or Sun Belt mess to come to Indy.

Explain to them it seems they are leaving money and common sense on the table with their far flung in efficient leagues and tell them he will assure all the rules on continuity of membership are preserved and an equitable preservation of basketball units will be imposed as long as they realign into some leagues that make sense and make sure everyone has a dance partner.

Wouldn't be the first time. When the Sun Belt collapsed after raids by Metro, Great Midwest, and CAA the NCAA found out that the American South was going to take two or three of the remaining four Sun Belt teams and the NCAA approached the Sun Belt and made up on the spot a procedure for merger that let the American South take the Sun Belt's units if they agreed to take all the teams.

Very nice pics. Arkstfan...

Did I read where yall were spending $20 million on other stadium improvements, expansions, etc.?

Is that facility in the pic an indoor practice facility?

That building will be $22 million. Full practice field, new offices, new locker rooms, new weight room, new group and team meeting rooms, new sports medicine facility, and luxury suites.

Will convert the current complex in the other end zone to become primary athletic offices. The AD will have a view of the field in the stadium instead of the basketball facility parking lot. :)
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So, ArkState, what you say makes some sense, although without cooperation, this will never happen. But if it does the two regionalized dominant conferences (there is a better word. I just can't find it this morning) would look roughly like this

East Dominant
UCONN
Navy
Cincinnati
Temple
Marshall
ECU
Middle Tennessee
UAB
FIU
FAU
USF
UCF

South/West Dominant
Southern Miss
La. Tech
ULL
Memphis
Houston
Rice
Tulsa
North Texas
UTSA
UTEP
SMU
Arkansas State

SunBelt or Entry League
Western Kentucky
Troy
South Alabama
Texas State
ULM
Charlotte
ODU
Georgia State
+4 from IAA

Is that what you have in mind? Interesting concept, but lots of egos would have to be set aside. As I see the two regionalized leagues, they are fairly comparable.
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First off the Gang of 5 will not work together. 2nd The NBE will make a minimum of 3 mil per year and 4 to 5 is more likely. The $$ will not be the same. Bowls below the BCS bid will be better in NBE than MWC or Cusa, or Mac. No doubt the difference will be smaller than once expected, but it won't go away. SD state has a decision to make, and the NBE will have to add 1 to 3 more. CUSA is likely to be the donor. With SD state likely adds come from Fresno, Utep, Tulsa, without them Tulsa, USM, Umass, Marshall.
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Placing the gang of 5 into regional leagues will only happen when the revenues are equal, or sufficiently similar to not warrant the increased costs. But they aren't. There was a reason that C-USA always had a far superior TV and bowl deal to the sunbelt.
Now the sunbelt's best football teams over the past couple of years are still there, so this should be a good test - will that translate into revenue for that league?
The MAC has been happy with its regional league. The rest of AQ - not so much.
Now there may come a point where the revenues are virtually equal. But it hasn't happened yet. And this quest for the big bowl spot won't cause it either. C-USA never has had a BCS buster (officially; Tulane was really the first one, but the rules weren't in place at that time). But teams want to move there. The WAC with its BCS busters disintegrated.
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(01-03-2013 08:37 PM)Big Dub Wrote:  Pride, egos and ADs unwilling to admit they made a mistake have a good chance of screwing this up some more.

Let's hope common sense prevails.

Bingo!
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(01-05-2013 10:00 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  First off the Gang of 5 will not work together. 2nd The NBE will make a minimum of 3 mil per year and 4 to 5 is more likely. The $$ will not be the same. Bowls below the BCS bid will be better in NBE than MWC or Cusa, or Mac. No doubt the difference will be smaller than once expected, but it won't go away. SD state has a decision to make, and the NBE will have to add 1 to 3 more. CUSA is likely to be the donor. With SD state likely adds come from Fresno, Utep, Tulsa, without them Tulsa, USM, Umass, Marshall.

I knew Disney World just opened the new Fantasyland...I didn't realize that you were the mayor.

Keep telling yourself whatever makes you happy, but you like most others have absolutely no idea what the future entails or what the range of differences will be. Conferences insinuate and spin to make themselves feel good and look superior, but in the end mostly they just lie and make wild unrealistic extrapolations.

The Big East has always struggled finding decent bowl bids, why do you think this new rag tag bunch will fare better? All I hear is a lot of wishful thinking and trying to make themselves feel better, but no real facts...because no one has a clue what the end game is going to be.

This rampant arrogance and unbridled sense of superiority would be humorous...if it were not so sad.
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