Who better to know than former socialist soviets?

Our former Cold War enemies warn against relinquishing 2nd amendment rights.

This though is my favorite passage, and very true.

Quote:These days, there are few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

Are you cons ever going to realize that this meme is a loser for you?

No one is coming for your muskets.

Nobody in the administration is going to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Nobody is saying you don't have the right to defend yourself and protect your possessions.

You're merely being used by the NRA and other whack jobs to sell more guns.

Continuing to throw out the falsehoods that something akin to the assault weapons ban that we already had as law (and was supported by that great liberal Ronald Reagan) is abolishing the second amendment, has no basis in reality.

That's not true tom.

In a local example... I believe it is Mr X that has stated so. I'm not MAD at him about it, in fact I appreciate that he can man up about his intentions so that we can actually talk about it.

It may not speak to the majority opinion on the left, but it speaks for many more than "nobody". Just like Nobody is trying to make you have prayer in school... well... SOME people ARE... and a debate about what "freedom of religion" means would center upon that.

If the comment doesn't speak to you, then fine. But it speaks to WAY more than nobody.

Your comment about the assault weapons ban is wrong. It was never seriously challenged in the courts because it had an end-date and didn't apply to anyone that already owned one... that's exactly WHY it had an end-date. SImilarly, there are circumstances under which Martial law could be declared, but that doesn't mean that a permanent state of Martial law is Constitutional

Anyone who tries to overturn the 2nd Amendment will never live to sign the bill. An NRA activist - or some other gun nut - will most likely see to that...

The 2nd Amendment will not be repealed because it serves as a grand distraction to those low information voters on both sides to the realities of the economy, the deficit and the debt.

(01-10-2013 04:46 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Anyone who tries to overturn the 2nd Amendment will never live to sign the bill. An NRA activist - or some other gun nut - will most likely see to that...

Exhibit A

(01-10-2013 04:38 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Your comment about the assault weapons ban is wrong. It was never seriously challenged in the courts because it had an end-date and didn't apply to anyone that already owned one... that's exactly WHY it had an end-date.

It was still a law. It did not touch the second amendment. Reagan supported it.

I said nothing inaccurate...other than that Ronald Reagan might not have been a liberal (by today's standards).

(01-10-2013 04:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It was still a law.

Did I say it wasn't?

Quote:It did not touch the second amendment.

Sure it did... just like declaring Martial law would.

Quote:Reagan supported it.

So? Jimmy cracked corn?

Quote:I said nothing inaccurate...other than that Ronald Reagan might not have been a liberal (by today's standards).

Sure you did.
What you are obviously trying to imply is inaccurate.

Just because there are ways to pass a law for a period of time (like declaring martial law or suspending the rights of Asian Americans in WWII) doesn't mean that you aren't violating the Constitution. There are a variety of ways for the Constitution to be "legally" violated. That isn't at all the same as what you seem to be implying... that because it was done once for a defined period, that it can be done forever. In the simplest example... the government banned sale of Phen Phen while it reviewed its safety. You weren't required to destroy what you had, and it wasn't predetermined what the outcome of the study would be.

You also imply that if Reagan "supported" it (with that definition being loose... by that I mean, RARELY are bills ONLY about what they are titled to say) that I somehow can't still think it's wrong.

Russian newspapers have been giving good advice lately. It's sad when Russia calls us out for our eroding freedoms. Crazy times.

(01-10-2013 06:40 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Russian newspapers have been giving good advice lately. It's sad when Russia calls us out for our eroding freedoms. Crazy times.

I was actually think the same thing...

Kind of makes you wonder how much of what we're told is actually true....in school or the news. It seems like Obama is still hated by the rest of the world and he couldn't even stop the rising sea's like he said he would. The rest of the world views us through the lens of our leaders. No wonder they hate us. Our leaders are patently incompetent.

(01-10-2013 04:55 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The 2nd Amendment will not be repealed because it serves as a grand distraction to those low information voters on both sides to the realities of the economy, the deficit and the debt.

No, those of us on the right that watch our 2nd amendment rights carefully do so in part due to the state of the economy, deficit, and debt.

(01-10-2013 06:53 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-10-2013 04:55 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The 2nd Amendment will not be repealed because it serves as a grand distraction to those low information voters on both sides to the realities of the economy, the deficit and the debt.

No, those of us on the right that watch our 2nd amendment rights carefully do so in part due to the state of the economy, deficit, and debt.

Bingo. Going for the guns is a response to the outrage people are feeling in regards to the economy debt etc. they want to do whatever they can to protect themselves.

Sandy hook just provided them the perfect excuse, as sad as it is, to make a play for guns.

But you are right, even if they don't get the guns, at the very least they will have bought themselves more time to rob the American people blind.