(01-21-2013 12:34 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  in football realignment discussions. Fat lot of good it's done us.

I'd agree with you with the exception of the B1G. They pretty much state in their charter documents that any new members have to be an AAU school (although as we have seen, some schools have LOST that standing after joining).

Not sure if the BE or the BigXII have anything similar to that written into their bylaws and such

(01-21-2013 03:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  A friend of mine started his college career at a juco. The instructor for one of the classes opened the first class by asking the students about the perceptions of the education they would receive there vs. regional four year schools or other name schools. After the class mostly downgraded what they would be learning the instructor told them, "You will use the same book that is used for this class at Harvard and when you finish you will have learned the same things the class at Harvard has learned. I know Harvard uses this book because I wrote this book."

He had retired to the area and wanted to teach part-time and no longer wanted to do research.

While I think there are certainly benefits to name institutions with great reputations, I suspect the differences in education aren't as vast as those institutions want us to believe, especially those institutions that have embraced massive class sizes.

I took a history class at UAB that was also being taught at the private school close by. Same books same tests same professor. As the proff put same class half the price

Endowments: (Roughly, last figures I could find)
$4,500,000,000 - Rice
$1,400,000,000 - SMU
$1,015,000,000 - Tulane
$801,000,000 - Tulsa
$589,800,000 - Houston
$327,401,397 - UAB
$183,800,000 - Memphis
$179,900,000 - Florida Atlantic
$170,200,000 - Old Dominion
$151,200,713 - UTEP
$140,900,000 - UNC Charlotte
$138,000,000 - Florida International
$137,000,000 - UCF
$130,000,000 - East Carolina
$104,500,000 - North Texas
$84,724,126 - Louisiana Tech
$83,800,000 - Marshall
$81,760,000 - UTSA
$58,900,000 - Middle Tennessee
$55,017,054 - Southern Miss

US News & World Report Academic Rankings:
17. Rice
51. Tulane
58. SMU
83. Tulsa
151. UAB
174. UCF
184. Houston
199. East Carolina
199. Louisiana Tech
199. UNC Charlotte
Not Ranked: Florida Atlantic
Not Ranked: Florida International
Not Ranked: Marshall
Not Ranked: Memphis
Not Ranked: Middle Tennessee
Not Ranked: North Texas
Not Ranked: Old Dominion
Not Ranked: Southern Miss
Not Ranked: UTEP
Not Ranked: UTSA



Compare to:

Athletic Budgets/Revenue:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas
N/A - Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, SMU

Shows you what is most important. Investing and committing to your athletic programs. ODU is a sleeping giant.

Revenue # from: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...54955804/1

Tulsa's athletic budget is supposedly about 32 million which would put us in the top six.

(01-22-2013 08:57 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  Endowments: (Roughly, last figures I could find)
$4,500,000,000 - Rice
$1,400,000,000 - SMU
$1,015,000,000 - Tulane
$801,000,000 - Tulsa
$589,800,000 - Houston
$327,401,397 - UAB
$183,800,000 - Memphis
$179,900,000 - Florida Atlantic
$170,200,000 - Old Dominion
$151,200,713 - UTEP
$140,900,000 - UNC Charlotte
$138,000,000 - Florida International
$137,000,000 - UCF
$130,000,000 - East Carolina
$104,500,000 - North Texas
$84,724,126 - Louisiana Tech
$83,800,000 - Marshall
$81,760,000 - UTSA
$58,900,000 - Middle Tennessee
$55,017,054 - Southern Miss

Compare to:

Athletic Budgets/Revenue:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas
N/A - Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, SMU

Shows you what is most important. Investing and committing to your athletic programs. ODU is a sleeping giant.

Revenue # from: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...54955804/1

ODU's only problem is that of the $32 million budget, $23 million comes from student fees. ODU only generates $9 million in income on its own in any form. That's a ton of money to be carried on student's backs and I'm not sure how long that's sustainable.

(01-21-2013 06:24 PM)Cougar Paws Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 06:19 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  lol, Juarez probably follows UTEP more than houston follows houston.

Only if they live long enough to see the whole season...

So, you are admitting that Juarez follows UTEP more than Houston follows houston?

Nice academics there paws. I'm guessing you graduated with highest honors?

(01-21-2013 12:52 PM)wh49er Wrote:  I chuckle when people start threads about the people who bring up academics endowment.

Newbie to, oh, ummm, everything? Rice can basically chuckle at any and all nbe, mwc and C-USA team regarding endowment and academics.

While I'm not an Owl, one of my favorite t-shirts EVER is one from Rice --- "Harvard; the Rice of the Northeast".

BTW - "people" who actually have something to be arrogant about usually AREN'T (except (most) sec football teams - they have the chops AND the arrogance).

(01-21-2013 01:37 PM)mufanatehc Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 01:32 PM)billings Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 12:34 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  in football realignment discussions. Fat lot of good it's done us.

only matters to the PAC and the BIG

And ACC


*See WVU

Not anymore - see ul.

(01-21-2013 05:59 PM)Cougar Paws Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 03:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  Pot calling the kettle black...you guys were a much better program in the 80's...that is reality...maybe you should give captain stubing a call since you missed the boat as well...love the crayfish position with some of the schools today

0-12, directional school and stuck in CUSA. Please hush.

That's ok ... as a fan I just have to think back to our last game with the kittens and I feel just fine.

(01-21-2013 05:59 PM)Cougar Paws Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 03:03 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  Pot calling the kettle black...you guys were a much better program in the 80's...that is reality...maybe you should give captain stubing a call since you missed the boat as well...love the crayfish position with some of the schools today

0-12, directional school and stuck in CUSA. Please hush.

It must really hurt to have an undefeated team get run over by a directional school.....at least it explains the bitterness.

I chuckle when people forget that these are UNIVERSITY funded teams that also TEACH STUDENT athletes. This aint the pros yall. We're developing bright minds here and conferences want the brightest and best reppin them. Thus, matters like endowment and academics matter.

(01-22-2013 09:49 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(01-21-2013 12:52 PM)wh49er Wrote:  I chuckle when people start threads about the people who bring up academics endowment.

Newbie to, oh, ummm, everything? Rice can basically chuckle at any and all nbe, mwc and C-USA team regarding endowment and academics.

While I'm not an Owl, one of my favorite t-shirts EVER is one from Rice --- "Harvard; the Rice of the Northeast".

BTW - "people" who actually have something to be arrogant about usually AREN'T (except (most) sec football teams - they have the chops AND the arrogance).

I know Rice has great academics but yet you made an assumption and got your panties in a wad. Congrats you win

(01-22-2013 08:57 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  Athletic Budgets/Revenue:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas
N/A - Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, SMU

For the private schools:
$42,600,000 - SMU
$31,100,000 - Tulsa
$30,200,000 - Rice
$27,900,000 - Tulane

These are the US Dept of Education's 2011-12 numbers, according to this article: http://www.mrsec.com/2012/12/big-bang-th...es-part-1/

Combined lists:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$42,600,000 - SMU
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$31,100,000 - Tulsa
$30,200,000 - Rice
$27,900,000 - Tulane
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas

I think ours is in the 30's now.

I cackle maniacally when people bring up academics and endowment. But that's OK. It takes all kinds...

(01-22-2013 09:40 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(01-22-2013 08:57 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  Endowments: (Roughly, last figures I could find)
$4,500,000,000 - Rice
$1,400,000,000 - SMU
$1,015,000,000 - Tulane
$801,000,000 - Tulsa
$589,800,000 - Houston
$327,401,397 - UAB
$183,800,000 - Memphis
$179,900,000 - Florida Atlantic
$170,200,000 - Old Dominion
$151,200,713 - UTEP
$140,900,000 - UNC Charlotte
$138,000,000 - Florida International
$137,000,000 - UCF
$130,000,000 - East Carolina
$104,500,000 - North Texas
$84,724,126 - Louisiana Tech
$83,800,000 - Marshall
$81,760,000 - UTSA
$58,900,000 - Middle Tennessee
$55,017,054 - Southern Miss

Compare to:

Athletic Budgets/Revenue:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas
N/A - Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, SMU

Shows you what is most important. Investing and committing to your athletic programs. ODU is a sleeping giant.

Revenue # from: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...54955804/1

ODU's only problem is that of the $32 million budget, $23 million comes from student fees. ODU only generates $9 million in income on its own in any form. That's a ton of money to be carried on student's backs and I'm not sure how long that's sustainable.

Most of that comes from the start up costs of football, such as refurbishing Ballard Stadium and building the new football center and endzone facility. They also have, up till this point, been dependent on gate revenue to support the program. This is why anyone that looked at ODU's financials knew they were planning a jump to FBS. Once they're able to offset the student fees with TV revenue money, then the fees will drop.

(01-23-2013 09:21 AM)untitled Wrote:  

(01-22-2013 08:57 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  Athletic Budgets/Revenue:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas
N/A - Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, SMU

For the private schools:
$42,600,000 - SMU
$31,100,000 - Tulsa
$30,200,000 - Rice
$27,900,000 - Tulane

These are the US Dept of Education's 2011-12 numbers, according to this article: http://www.mrsec.com/2012/12/big-bang-th...es-part-1/

Combined lists:
$42,762,625 - UCF
$42,600,000 - SMU
$40,384,265 - Memphis
$34,614,033 - Houston
$34,048,869 - East Carolina
$32,893,744 - Old Dominion
$31,100,000 - Tulsa
$30,200,000 - Rice
$27,900,000 - Tulane
$27,694,358 - UTEP
$27,444,906 - Marshall
$27,125,185 - Middle Tennessee
$25,690,048 - UAB
$23,849,954 - Florida International
$20,673,597 - Southern Miss
$19,438,422 - Florida Atlantic
$18,624,105 - UNC Charlotte
$17,146,559 - Louisiana Tech
$16,675,632 - UTSA
$11,259,222 - North Texas

so what you're saying is... they don't only fudge attendance numbers?