These people are lighting a fuse to a keg of dynamite.

And Tom has refused to come back and accept the truth, that these reports are FACTS that he just refuses to accept simply because it wasn't posted on daily kos.

The sad thing about Tom is that if he was crossing the street and Sean Hannity yelled to warn him of an oncoming car Tom would ignore it because of the source...

Gotta love this one too.


Mexico asks US for list of commercialized gun owners in border states. Mexico says it will make it easier to track guns used in violent attacks. Last I checked it wasn't exactly like US citizens were taking their guns to Mexico and killing people.

(02-18-2013 05:20 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 05:09 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  seattle times
Bill that authorizes sheriff to come into homes of assault weapons owners to ensure they are properly stored once a year without warrant. Like Missouri, this bill or at least that part won't pass.

Can they write a law that circumvents the 4th Amendment? I don't think so. And if they can, the searches should start with the gang bangers, ex-felons, and then liberals.

If they can get it calssified as a special purpose administrative search (think of the children!) rather than a typical law enforcement search, under current jurisprudence it might be allowable under the Fourth Amendment. That it is in private residences and that law enforcement personell would be conducting the inspection would make it more difficult to justify as such, particularly given the current make up of the Court, but while still unlikely, it is not out of bounds to believe that were there a liberal majority they would uphold the inspections.

Ban Prog Libs - we now have czars, when do we have gulags?

When they outlaw guns, mine will just become "undocumented"

Good pictures JF.
Someone may have posted this article about parents in Missouri having 30 days to report gun ownership to schools or face fines.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/mo-law...n-30-days/

(02-19-2013 05:52 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Good pictures JF.
Someone may have posted this article about parents in Missouri having 30 days to report gun ownership to schools or face fines.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/mo-law...n-30-days/

Man o man, are the libtards jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon or what? And what's next? Do we report to the authorities if we own movies with any violence in them? I guess I'm going to have to throw out my DVDs of Gone With The Wind, The Three Stooges, and most of Robert's vast cartoon collection.

(02-19-2013 05:52 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Good pictures JF.
Someone may have posted this article about parents in Missouri having 30 days to report gun ownership to schools or face fines.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/mo-law...n-30-days/

Hadn't seen that particular piece of legislative trash. Its amazing how democrats are trashing the Constitution with these bills. They're grasping at straws.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/...a-firearm/
NY gun owners would be forced to buy $1M in liability insurance or have firearms confiscated. Proposed by NY state Assemblyman Felix Ortiz (D). This one may have a chance since its in NY. Similar bills in Maryland ans Massachusetts. NY bill will cost NY gun owners between $1600 and $2000 per year.

(02-20-2013 07:40 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/...a-firearm/
NY gun owners would be forced to buy $1M in liability insurance or have firearms confiscated. Proposed by NY state Assemblyman Felix Ortiz (D). This one may have a chance since its in NY. Similar bills in Maryland ans Massachusetts. NY bill will cost NY gun owners between $1600 and $2000 per year.

Even if it passes it will never make it passed the Supreme Court.

That's what they said about Obamacare.

(02-20-2013 09:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  That's what they said about Obamacare.

Fair point, but this is a lot less complicated than that. And a lot less political.

(02-20-2013 09:42 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  That's what they said about Obamacare.

Fair point, but this is a lot less complicated than that. And a lot less political.

Well I don't know about that. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say individuals are required to buy health insurance but the Supreme Court upheld it. They even went as far as to muddle the penalty vs. tax issue. I could easily see them using Obamacare as precedent for a "penalty" or "tax" on individuals refusing to buy liability insurance for gun ownership. The confiscation may be a stickier point unless the Supreme Court decides to amend the second amendment to provide for the tax.

(02-20-2013 12:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The confiscation may be a stickier point unless the Supreme Court decides to amend the second amendment to provide for the tax.

Isn't it great we're discussing the Supreme Court amending the Constitution... (hint: it's not their responsibility)

(02-20-2013 12:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Well I don't know about that. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say individuals are required to buy health insurance but the Supreme Court upheld it. They even went as far as to muddle the penalty vs. tax issue. I could easily see them using Obamacare as precedent for a "penalty" or "tax" on individuals refusing to buy liability insurance for gun ownership. The confiscation may be a stickier point unless the Supreme Court decides to amend the second amendment to provide for the tax.

You're talking about something that isn't there vs something that is and is spelled out clearly. This is essentailly a poll tax NY is trying to institute. A fee to exercise your constitutional right.

(02-20-2013 01:47 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 12:05 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Well I don't know about that. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say individuals are required to buy health insurance but the Supreme Court upheld it. They even went as far as to muddle the penalty vs. tax issue. I could easily see them using Obamacare as precedent for a "penalty" or "tax" on individuals refusing to buy liability insurance for gun ownership. The confiscation may be a stickier point unless the Supreme Court decides to amend the second amendment to provide for the tax.

You're talking about something that isn't there vs something that is and is spelled out clearly. This is essentailly a poll tax NY is trying to institute. A fee to exercise your constitutional right.

I understand that and I don't put it past them to get it pushed through.

Oops. The liberal dems in Washington state got caught and are backpedalling after an outcry about allowing searching of private homes.

Gun bill giving sheriff right to inspect homes pulled by Washington lawmakers

Quote:The text of the bill — prior to its scrapping — read, as reported by The Seattle Times: “In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall … safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”
Violators — those who wouldn’t let the sheriff inside to inspect — could get up to a year in jail, The Seattle Times reported. Even Mr. Palmer, a self-described liberal, found the provision distasteful.

“I’m a liberal Democrat,” he said, in The Seattle Times report. “But now I understand why my right-wing opponents worry about having to fight a government takeover. It’s exactly this sort of thing that drives people into the arms of the NRA.”

Democrat bill sponsors, facing widespread outcry, told The Seattle Times they didn’t fully vet the eight-page bill before introducing it last week and that the home-inspection allowance was a simple oversight.

“I made a mistake,” Sen. Adam Kline said, according to The Seattle Times. “I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”

And main bill sponsor, Sen. Ed Murray, said: “I have to admit that shouldn’t be in there,” according to The Seattle Times.

My take - they got caught. It was meant to be in there as a trial balloon, to see how much abuse the people will take. This is how they do things. Read the comments. Folks are onto this scam and recognize the tactic.

Look at the language that Mr. Palmer used. He's a gun grabber but without the balls to admit it. His language gives him away.

"It’s exactly this sort of thing that drives people into the arms of the NRA.”

Would somebody who believes in and cares about the 2nd amendment write or speak this way?

Here in Colorado, the House is controlled by dems, the Senate as well and we have a (mostly moderate) dem governor. They did their thing in the house yesterday and passed several anti-gun measures. They seem to have no idea of the magnitude of the fuse they are lighting.

"Democrat bill sponsors, facing widespread outcry, told The Seattle Times they didn’t fully vet the eight-page bill before introducing it last week and that the home-inspection allowance was a simple oversight."

So they are not evil they are incompetent?