(02-19-2013 02:29 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Not to mention you have to commit to regular games with them. So if you are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, etc., why the hell do you want to do this?

Delany is after his big white (Irish) whale.

(02-19-2013 02:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I don't think Slive is going to sit at 16 while Delaney goes 18. And to allow the Big 12 into your territory is beyond stupid. Fla/USC may veto FSU and CU's entry, but you have to think the rest of the conference adds them in.

This is the real question......what is more important to Slive? Would he rather keep the Big 12 out of South Carolina and Florida OR does he only want schools that deliver new TV markets for the coming SEC network.

Whatever the decision is.....I bet Slive has already made it.

(02-19-2013 02:29 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  The thing I don't get is why are the original members of the B1G so in favor of this? It's not like the athletic money is going to research. And it's not like they don't already have more money than everyone else anyway. You could argue that adding UVa and UNC puts them on equal footing with you and dilutes the original B1G's advantage. Not to mention you have to commit to regular games with them. So if you are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, etc., why the hell do you want to do this?

.....maybe because they don't have more money than everyone else.

(02-19-2013 02:35 PM)jam2112 Wrote:  Never heard of or read this website before....but they're saying UNC has an official invite from the BIG.
Are they legit?

http://gamedayr.com/gamedayr/big-ten-off...whos-next/

They are sourcing the exact same info I posted in the OP. Take it FWIW.

(02-19-2013 02:29 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  The thing I don't get is why are the original members of the B1G so in favor of this? It's not like the athletic money is going to research. And it's not like they don't already have more money than everyone else anyway. You could argue that adding UVa and UNC puts them on equal footing with you and dilutes the original B1G's advantage. Not to mention you have to commit to regular games with them. So if you are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, etc., why the hell do you want to do this?

Rule #1. There is NEVER enough money. Have you ever met a rich man that was content with what he had? I haven't.

(02-19-2013 02:29 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  The thing I don't get is why are the original members of the B1G so in favor of this? It's not like the athletic money is going to research. And it's not like they don't already have more money than everyone else anyway. You could argue that adding UVa and UNC puts them on equal footing with you and dilutes the original B1G's advantage. Not to mention you have to commit to regular games with them. So if you are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, etc., why the hell do you want to do this?

This move increases the TV deal and the B1G value. If it didn't, they wouldn't be on board. You are talking about 2-3 potential East Coast markets and TV exposure.

What this might do is divide the conference, and that is problematic. The west coast teams do not get annual games with the East coast Bball powers. A simple East West allignment is too skewed in terms of the Bball and football power. But maybe those schools you mentioned won't make that a sticking point. They probably end up getting their programs in more prime time slots on the B1G network on the East and central time zones so it's a win win.

I thought this week UVA was suppose to announce?

(02-19-2013 01:46 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:43 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 01:40 PM)No Bull Wrote:  I eman UNC will break up Tobacco road becuase Delany graduated from there?

Wasn't saying that... just was saying that he obviously knows of the history. But, he's a UNC grad at is the commishioner of the B1G. He probably has some sway at UNC.

Sorry.

You are right he probably does know the hsitory and just doesn't care. I can't wait to see Iowa vs. North Carolina. That there is some must see TV. or how about Rutgers Vs> North carolina.... great stuff.

Let's not forget UNC/Michigan basketball games and Georgia Tech/Illnois. Those will really stink too.

(02-19-2013 02:35 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:29 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Not to mention you have to commit to regular games with them. So if you are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, etc., why the hell do you want to do this?

Delany is after his big white (Irish) whale.

Exactly. Adding UNC and Duke would give the B1G the ultimate marketing tool, and along with UVA and GT they turn the ACC into BE part two, pressuring Notre Dame into finally accepting an all-sports invite. On top of that, they make the B1G so attractive that they can go after his other whales - Texas & Florida.

(02-19-2013 02:21 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:16 PM)GrandmasterTiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:12 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UNC turns this down unless that buyout is substantially reduced. No way they are bolting the ACC which they basically run. I think they also will bring along Duke and Delaney can't get away from that. So Duke and GTech have to be on board.

If that's the case, NCSt and Tech need simultaneous offers as does FSU/Clemson. Otherwise you are looking at litigations up the ass. Still way too many variables. Everything needs to happen at once, not bits here and there.

I also think FSU and Clemson lobby hard for the SEC, and votes from Tech and NCSt could put them over the top.

ACC will be fine: UConn, UC, Cuse, Pitt, BC, Miami, (ND), UL, WF. Solid 9 team conference that retains MSG, plus any other three they desire.

Memphis fits in there quite nicely.

Nah son... I'd go:

1. USF
2. UCF
3. Temple
4. Navy

ECU and Memphis on the outside looking in for a 12 teamer... I don't see how you turn those programs down for Memphis. You might be able to jump UCF or Temple. Navy may back out due to the competition. Still permutations available for everyone to be happy, but I like those four schools over Memphis if I had to bet.

Those ACC leftovers already have a team in Florida. I think they take one more getting them two in the state. For only twelve, it would seem befuddling to take three...but who knows...especially if 16 were to happen. Don't think Navy gets considered in this case at all. With only one team in NC I think ECU actually has a very good chance. My list would be something like this...

1. USF or UCF (you guys can fight over who)
2. Memphis
3. Temple
4. East Carolina

Now, if they were to go to 16...

1. USF or UCF (you guys can fight over who)
2. Memphis
3. Temple
4. East Carolina
5. USF or UCF
6. ???

(02-19-2013 02:35 PM)Big 12 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:28 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I don't think Slive is going to sit at 16 while Delaney goes 18. And to allow the Big 12 into your territory is beyond stupid. Fla/USC may veto FSU and CU's entry, but you have to think the rest of the conference adds them in.

This is the real question......what is more important to Slive? Would he rather keep the Big 12 out of South Carolina and Florida OR does he only want schools that deliver new TV markets for the coming SEC network.

Whatever the decision is.....I bet Slive has already made it.

How can he make the decision when those schools are currently unavailable? Sure FSU and Clemson lobbied to get in at some point, but they have to formally withdraw, pay their own buyout, and what not. I think the SEC would welcome them in open arms at that point. But no overtures have been made due to the legality and sensitivity of the situation. If the ACC "Central" blows up, things will pick up on that front.

(02-19-2013 02:40 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:35 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:29 PM)JunkYardCard Wrote:  Not to mention you have to commit to regular games with them. So if you are Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, etc., why the hell do you want to do this?

Delany is after his big white (Irish) whale.

Exactly. Adding UNC and Duke would give the B1G the ultimate marketing tool, and along with UVA and GT they turn the ACC into BE part two, pressuring Notre Dame into finally accepting an all-sports invite. On top of that, they make the B1G so attractive that they can go after his other whale - Texas, who would probably bring Oklahoma with them.

Notre Dame has as much as said, they will only give up their football independence if they have no other options. In this case they will have an option. They can go to the Big12 with the same kind of deal they got from the ACC.

I don't get the sense reading the original twitter that this is any more far along than we all suspect. There will never be "an offer" on the table- in the sense of a formal invite being extended- without knowing the answer.

My suspicion is that UNC is the target and there is back and forth conversations happening, probably with scenarios being bantered about. But no formal offer with a vote will be made until the answer is known.

I can hear UNC Laughing now. Who would want to go to the B1G?

B1G should invite Alabama next. LOL

(02-19-2013 02:26 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  The ACC is going to get raided, there should be zero doubt about that now, I'm just not ready to believe that UNC will be one of the first to bolt.

I don't see it either. UVA or FSU are the key schools. If UVA doesn't go to the B1G and FSU doesn't go to the Big 12, ACC stays intact.

UNC doing misdirection? Feigning interest to stretch things out?
Maybe UVA has told them they are definitely going and UNC is making their choice.

Still not buying it.

(02-19-2013 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I can hear UNC Laughing now. Who would want to go to the B1G?

B1G should invite Alabama next. LOL

wow, it took until now for the Pitt Trolls to start coming on board...

Unless people have been hiding something from me I have been given no indication that UNC would even consider the offer. Delany has talked to many of schools to get their feelings, UNC being one of them, but unless someone has been hiding something from me or straight out lying, UNC is not going anywhere.

GTech is still a viable second option and they aren't tied at the hip to anybody unlike UVa. So you could still partner them, but if you do so, then the B1G risks losing UNC to the SEC down the road.

Say the SEC is able to pry Va Tech. They could offer to UNC as well. Then the B1G gets screwed.

I think it is an all or nothing deal. Any package has to include the Heels to cement that mid Atlantic region.

1. I am not sure Navy would ever be a viable option for the ACC. Much like how AF prefaced it to the B12, they are just not on a level enough playing feild to move over in all sports and a FB only deal makes no sense to any of the parties involved.

2. Not sure if UNC takes up the offer, but it does make it a UNC/UVA to B1G or UNC/Duke to SEC choice for UNC. That pretty much means that the ACC as we know it is going to go away.

3. The real issue is going to be how big will the ACC go to, post raid, in an enviroment that is going to be very anti-ACC. The first question is what happens to the ACC TV deal. Everything else will be tied to that. If ESPN just knocks $$ off, then I am not sure the nACC would expand farther than 12. No content for a ACCN under the current designed ACC deal. That would more than likely leave it as Memphis, UCF, UCF, Temple, UConn, and Cinci to go with BC, Wake, Syracuse, Duke or Louisville, and Pitt. If they can go bigger, then we are arguing Tulane, UH, SMU, ECU, and what not.

4. The nBE may never make it off the ground. If the ACC does have an apocalypse, then the nBE is looking at getting gutted. I have said from the very beginning that one of the 3 of the ACC, B12 or BE had to go just due to math. It is not always the weakest that gets killed in all of this, as the WAC found out, but generally the mid-level group. That helps to provide differentiation between the Power 5(4) and the others.

(02-19-2013 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  I can hear UNC Laughing now. Who would want to go to the B1G?

B1G should invite Alabama next. LOL

wow, it took until now for the Pitt Trolls to start coming on board...

If I'm a Pitt Troll, what are you?