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(02-21-2013 05:34 PM)x97 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:07 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Regarding credibility," the Dude" is saying that Brett McMurphy is scheduled to appear on his new show. Which reputation would be affected the most if this comes to pass?

(I hate even mentioning this and it may even violate some board rule so feel free to delete, just a question I have.)

Neither. They both have said that it seems like the Big Ten is going to move. The Dude has been screaming it and McMurphy has been more cautious and professional but the stance is similar.

Sammy, sammy. McMurphy never said the B1G was going to expand. He has just said that it's within the realm of possibility.

I can't find the link now but I think I remember him saying that sources were indicating more was coming. He definitely is in the "Delaney decides when this happens again" camp as he's said it. (1:50 of this interview: http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/5133430.mp3 ) and also said he got the sense that the Big Ten is "probably gonna do something but not gonna tell you when" and ACC schools should probably be "fearful". Not exactly putting a wet blanket on things.

Quote:The DUD has basically said it's a done deal, that approval has happened, and that it's only a matter of time. Basically garbage. The DUD's story changes by the hour.

It was just a few months ago that that the DUD said FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 was a "done deal". McMurphy repeatedly shot that rumor down. It's only been recently that the DUD has changed course and started on this B1G expansion stuff because that's the only chance that FSU/Clemson would even consider moving. The DUD was exposed as a fraud long ago.

McMurphy does have sources and is reputable. The DUD is just an idiot. What they are saying isn't even remotely close.

The question is "Which reputation would be affected the most if this comes to pass?". If it happened it wouldn't negatively impact either since IIRC McMurphy isn't exactly lining up against it. The debate was never who is more credible than the other. That is an obvious answer.

Sometimes I think you just want to nitpick.

(02-21-2013 06:24 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 05:34 PM)x97 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:07 PM)S11 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Regarding credibility," the Dude" is saying that Brett McMurphy is scheduled to appear on his new show. Which reputation would be affected the most if this comes to pass?

(I hate even mentioning this and it may even violate some board rule so feel free to delete, just a question I have.)

Neither. They both have said that it seems like the Big Ten is going to move. The Dude has been screaming it and McMurphy has been more cautious and professional but the stance is similar.

Sammy, sammy. McMurphy never said the B1G was going to expand. He has just said that it's within the realm of possibility.

I can't find the link now but I think I remember him saying that sources were indicating more was coming. He definitely is in the "Delaney decides when this happens again" camp as he's said it. (1:50 of this interview: http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/5133430.mp3 ) and also said he got the sense that the Big Ten is "probably gonna do something but not gonna tell you when" and ACC schools should probably be "fearful". Not exactly putting a wet blanket on things.

Quote:The DUD has basically said it's a done deal, that approval has happened, and that it's only a matter of time. Basically garbage. The DUD's story changes by the hour.

It was just a few months ago that that the DUD said FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 was a "done deal". McMurphy repeatedly shot that rumor down. It's only been recently that the DUD has changed course and started on this B1G expansion stuff because that's the only chance that FSU/Clemson would even consider moving. The DUD was exposed as a fraud long ago.

McMurphy does have sources and is reputable. The DUD is just an idiot. What they are saying isn't even remotely close.

The question is "Which reputation would be affected the most if this comes to pass?". If it happened it wouldn't negatively impact either since IIRC McMurphy isn't exactly lining up against it. The debate was never who is more credible than the other. That is an obvious answer.

Sometimes I think you just want to nitpick.

My question is more about whether McMurphy's reputation would be affected by being a guest on the spin zone, and, in that same vein, would "the Dude's" reputation be enhanced by him being on the show?
Doesn't matter the topic.

And please don't get me wrong, I am not against someone making a buck and making other people some cash, this is just a question. I have, in the past, been totally pissed at the Dude's messages, but that just goes to show you how effective he is at his craft. He is an entertainer and some of the best actors in the movies(message boards) is the villian.

I will admit, when the Maryland 247sports website publisher tweeted out what he was hearing in regards to UVA and GT, it caught my attention. However, Teel is as plugged in with UVA and VT as anyone and he would truly know as much as anyone out there about the goings on at those schools. In my opinion, the time before the next football season will give the ACC time to create new ways to add revenue (ACC Network, etc.).

(02-21-2013 01:07 PM)S11 Wrote:  I can't find the link now but I think I remember him saying that sources were indicating more was coming. He definitely is in the "Delaney decides when this happens again" camp as he's said it. (1:50 of this interview: http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/5133430.mp3 ) and also said he got the sense that the Big Ten is "probably gonna do something but not gonna tell you when" and ACC schools should probably be "fearful". Not exactly putting a wet blanket on things.

Sammy, this is called speculating. That's why he gives himself an out either way. If it happens he wasn't wrong. If it doesn't he isn't wrong. Anyone could basically regurgitate the same thing without putting their reputation on the line. When he says he sources say the B1G are going to be taking UVA any day then it's time to listen. This is a non-starter. It's just your effort to grasp to anything you can in this deal.

Teel, who has FAR better sources at UVA than McMurphy will ever have stated unequivocally that it is not happening and that UVA has zero interest. That's a huge "wet blanket" but you don't acknowledge it. Why is that? You sit and hope that UVA's administration is lying through their teeth publicly. You sit and hope that when UVA's administration signed off on the $50 million exit fee that they really didn't mean it. You sit and hope the DUD of WVU has sources and real information (despite a horrible track record) that even the most locked in insiders at these schools don't have. Then you cling desperately to McMurphy's non-committal, speculative answer as something significant.

Do you see where this is all leading? You are desperate and you want to cling to even the most flimsy of "evidence" to help you feel better about it.
Now if it will make you feel better about me calling you out then go right ahead and ban me. You need to take a more objective view and if my attempts in helping you see both sides lead to a ban then so be it.

(02-21-2013 11:48 AM)vinman3 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:58 PM)Villecard Wrote:  The interview with David starts at around 73:00. Highlights include:
-Says the UVa has "no interest or contact" with the B1G
-The ACC is "actively" engaging in talks with the ESPN about an ACC Network
-The ACC expects at least $1 million more a team due to the addition of ND and Louisville
-ND is not likely to play 6 ACC games as rumored
-He believes Maryland is the exception, not the rule

You can listen HERE

I'm shocked...SHOCKED! :ninja:

Oh wait. I'm not in the least bit shocked. See Notre Lame's "agreement" to play 4 Big East teams as part of their partial membership.

Notre Lame, eternal leeches of the college football world. Learn it, remember it, bookmarket.

There was no ND/Big East "agreement" for any football games.

The vague, verbal promise made in 2004 by soon thereafter forced out AD Kevin White was not a contract or agreement.

It certainly was not "part of their partial membership". ND had joined the Big East in 1995 without football.

It lacked any terms, at all. It did not state which three schools ND would play or where they would play.

It was not an agreement or contract. It was a statement made to help the BE stay intact after the ACC took BC, Virginia Tech and Miami.

BE fans took it to mean "ND will play all football schools, home and home."

In other words, they attempted to insert their own terms to the promise, not ND's. Nice try, but fail.

ND played Pitt every year. It played Syracuse, USF and UConn at ND.

It attempted to schedule long term deals with UConn and Rutgers. No agreement could be reached.

There never was a deal, contract or agreement ever confected between ND and the Big East regarding football games.

On the other hand, there is a written, binding contract between ND and the ACC for the Irish to play five ACC school per year.

Please note that this is the deal that ND signed up for just last fall.

Five games, not six.

It was the ACC and ESPN that tried to change the deal that was just signed, not ND. ND stands ready to honor the contract it just signed.

ND never agreed, promised or consented to a sixth game. That was not ND's suggestion.

(02-22-2013 12:22 AM)TerryD Wrote:  BE fans took it to mean "ND will play all football schools, home and home."

I never remember Big East fans assuming that. It was a 3 or 4 game vague commitment at the time of the 2003 raid, just as you said, with the intent of helping hold the conference together. Everyone knew 1 of those was going to be the annual with Pitt. ND actually did schedule other Big East teams it otherwise would not have, and attempted schedules with others. It actually did more than it had to. I wouldn't say ND was exactly altruistic toward the Big East, but they fulfilled their obligations and weren't deceitful. They were as upfront as anyone.

It seems that this is something that has come up retroactively to help dismiss the uniqueness of ND's five-game deal with the ACC. But like all the rest, it is simply ignorant BS.

I don't know whether Teel is right or not. But if Teel is right it isn't because he's this paragon of sports reporting in Virginia well tied in to the UVA Administration. He's a beat reporter from Roanoke who seems to be a VT fan and is on the UVA beat. I don't know any UVA fan who thinks of Teel of all people as the "plugged in" one at UVA.
He recently had to publicly recant his prediction that VT basketball would outperform UVA basketball over the next 5 years (made 2 years ago).

I've had several back and forths with him and other VA area sports reporters on twitter about the possibility of realignment and have been amazed by how little they seem to know and want to know. For instance, does the B1G Network TV deal gain them higher subscriber fees in Northern VA because of MD's move (in "market") or does it not get those higher subscriber fees because VA is not a B1G footprint STATE? I've seen the former claimed, the latter reported, but Teel wasn't interested in finding out even though it makes a big difference about UVA's desirability to the B1G. Just 1 example.

Bottom line is that Teel may be correct but if he is it isn't because he's well tied in at UVA or some ACC sage. I doubt he knows much more than me - which is nothing. Frankly, I think that's true of most media these days. Peel back the onion and you realize there's a lot of incompetence and laziness in the press. We just assume they know what they're talking about because of their titles.

White said it more than once and it wasn't as vague as you are portraying. Several news outlets reported it.
Swarbrick even was asked and never backed off totally.
Agree, alot of BE fans took it as a structured rotation, but ND admin was mostly to blame there.
Main thing it was another instance where ND basically stood to the side when crap hit the fan for BE.

(02-21-2013 07:35 PM)Villecard Wrote:  I will admit, when the Maryland 247sports website publisher tweeted out what he was hearing in regards to UVA and GT, it caught my attention. However, Teel is as plugged in with UVA and VT as anyone and he would truly know as much as anyone out there about the goings on at those schools. In my opinion, the time before the next football season will give the ACC time to create new ways to add revenue (ACC Network, etc.).

Who was plugged in and revealed the Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland defections to the B1G? The answer is no one, at least no a week before it happened. This article means nothing.

I'll add that as to another UVA beat writer who I expect is more plugged in, I had to explain to him what a "Grant of Rights" was. He had no idea. Even as the ACC was supposedly considering it. I'm not sure where this leaves me. The Dude and his WV friends are obviously pot stirrers who know nothing. But the media is lazy and incompetent and also knows next to nothing. So all we have is speculating and waiting for the press conferences that happen or don't.

(02-22-2013 07:19 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  White said it more than once and it wasn't as vague as you are portraying. Several news outlets reported it.
Swarbrick even was asked and never backed off totally.
Agree, alot of BE fans took it as a structured rotation, but ND admin was mostly to blame there.
Main thing it was another instance where ND basically stood to the side when crap hit the fan for BE.

There were no agreed details. ND tried to negotiate some deals, they didn't happen.

Why not stand to one side? It never agreed to join the BE for football.

The BE football schools were not strong enough to keep the conference together, could not agree among themselves and had one foot out the door.

(02-21-2013 11:32 PM)x97 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 01:07 PM)S11 Wrote:  I can't find the link now but I think I remember him saying that sources were indicating more was coming. He definitely is in the "Delaney decides when this happens again" camp as he's said it. (1:50 of this interview: http://podcasting.fia.net/6960/5133430.mp3 ) and also said he got the sense that the Big Ten is "probably gonna do something but not gonna tell you when" and ACC schools should probably be "fearful". Not exactly putting a wet blanket on things.

Sammy, this is called speculating.

Duh.

Quote:That's why he gives himself an out either way. If it happens he wasn't wrong. If it doesn't he isn't wrong. Anyone could basically regurgitate the same thing without putting their reputation on the line. When he says he sources say the B1G are going to be taking UVA any day then it's time to listen. This is a non-starter. It's just your effort to grasp to anything you can in this deal.

Nope. I simply answered a question posted here. If I was going to point to any individual's comments regarding expansion likely occuring it would be Gordon Gee.

Please do not confuse my stance, I never said I think things will happen. I just think there is too much smoke for there not to at least be back channel communication that may or may not bear fruit in actual invitations. Find one place where I said it's gonna happen. Good luck.

Quote:Teel, who has FAR better sources at UVA than McMurphy will ever have stated unequivocally that it is not happening and that UVA has zero interest. That's a huge "wet blanket" but you don't acknowledge it. Why is that?

Teel has good sources and is a good beat reporter. He's informed usually but if the sources won't talk due to non-disclosure agreements then he'd be in the dark. Teel's comments like anyone else's must be considered based on what he is likely to hear. If UVA isn't moving or even if they are but they signed the non-disclosure like UMD did I would expect little to no info here.

Once again- not saying it is or isn't happening but Teel would not be in a position to hear if this stuff is being played truly close to the vest which if the B1G's m.o. is anything like Rutgers and UMD it likely is hush hush.

Quote:You sit and hope that UVA's administration is lying through their teeth publicly.

1- With the GOR there is no immediate need for expansion. I am fine if things happen soon or if they don't.
2- Public statements aren't worth the paper they are written on. Look at the A&M and Missouri denials in the months leading up to their moves.

Quote:You sit and hope that when UVA's administration signed off on the $50 million exit fee that they really didn't mean it. You sit and hope the DUD of WVU has sources and real information (despite a horrible track record) that even the most locked in insiders at these schools don't have. Then you cling desperately to McMurphy's non-committal, speculative answer as something significant.

1- Once again I am fine either way.
2- Once again Gee's comments are probably the biggest indication that at least serious talks are going on regarding B1G expansion.

Quote:Do you see where this is all leading? You are desperate and you want to cling to even the most flimsy of "evidence" to help you feel better about it.

Once again, fine either way. It's the offseason and speculation is fun. My comments above were in response to a question. Don't twist them to indicate that I felt things were for sure going to happen or that I bought into the dude. I'll listen to what he has to say but I will make my own conclusions.

Quote:Now if it will make you feel better about me calling you out then go right ahead and ban me. You need to take a more objective view and if my attempts in helping you see both sides lead to a ban then so be it.

1- I think fine for myself and try to take both sides into account. You must think people who disagree with you aren't objective.

2- Civil discussion won't get you banned. Acting in a manner that causes people to leave the board will however. So by all means debate the merits of the moves discussed but the frequent insults and accusations have no place and I have said the same to pro-Big 12 posters.

I won't really believe anything until the Press Conference. I could see big 10/prime acc school's having talks. Also, could see the prime acc school's wanting ND to join the acc for football, so they use the big 10 talks as leverage to get ND to join.

(02-22-2013 10:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I won't really believe anything until the Press Conference. I could see big 10/prime acc school's having talks. Also, could see the prime acc school's wanting ND to join the acc for football, so they use the big 10 talks as leverage to get ND to join.

Or to try and get 6 games out of ND instead of 5?

The institutions that keep their heads about them with all the chaos and "faux-chaos" going on around them will be fine in the end.

The SEC has geography and football prowess. They aren't going anywhere and now have put most of their marbles in the ESPN camp.

The BiG has a huge advantage now with the BTN, and to a much much lesser extent the CIC, but those advantages will only take them so far into the future as they buck against trends in population growth; recruiting territories; some version of a la carte coming down the pipe; etc.

They had dreams of ND, Texas, and Texas A&M in their last round of expansion but didn't get any of them (although Nebraska was most assuredly a nice consolation prize).

The ESPN aligned properties have made real moves with the SEC taking A&M and Mizzou and the ACC taking SU, Pitt and getting ND on a 5/8ths basis.

In response to these moves there has been a lot of rumors and such creating chaos and "faux-chaos" in terms of expansion both real and fictional - the bulk of which has been coming from the conferences with a strong relationship with FOX. But the only movement has been the BiG taking Rutgers and Maryland. Really? Posters on these boards laughed at the ACC taking Pitt and SU, even though there were those who said it was another step to try and get ND on board and possibly PSU later.

We then had BiG officials admit publicly that in order to keep PSU from getting wandering eyes, the league needed to expand to the east by taking Rutgers and Maryland.

Again, if the institutions in the ACC keep their heads about them, they should be fine. But ultimately, imho, this is more about the coming showdown between ESPN and FOX than anything else. And I give props to FrankTheTank who has consistently said the only media player out there that has a chance of putting a dent into ESPN is FOX. And we are seeing this come to fruition over the past couple of years.

And it's obvious to me the BiG and the Big 12 are now following the Rupert Murdoch playbook to a 'T'. So I only expect the chaos and "faux-chaos" to continue.

Cheers,
Neil

As much as I still want ND to be a football independent, if it REALLY looks like the ACC is about to be poached by the Big Ten, SEC and/or Big 12, then I may be emotionally/psychologically ready for ND to join the ACC in full.

Why? Because I am a contrary son of a ***** and I would love for it to be ND that jams a pen in the eyes of Jim Delany, Mike Sleve, Bob Bowlsby and conference expansionistas everywhere.

I would get great satisfaction knowing it was Notre Dame who played a big role in ruining all of their big expansion plans and dreams.

I trust Jack Swarbrick to be steady and smart at the helm for ND through all of this realignment nonsense. He seems to be smart and savvy enough to hold steady through empty threats and "misdirection", "misinformation" and all of the other supposed realignment genius moves.

Thank God that ND forced out former AD Kevin White before this all occurred. That weak willed pansy would have caved in and joined the Big Ten by now.

(02-22-2013 11:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As much as I still want ND to be a football independent, if it REALLY looks like the ACC is about to be poached by the Big Ten, SEC and/or Big 12, then I may be emotionally/psychologically ready for ND to join the ACC in full.

Why? Because I am a contrary son of a ***** and I would love for it to be ND that jams a pen in the eyes of Jim Delany, Mike Sleve, Bob Bowlsby and conference expansionistas everywhere.

I would get great satisfaction knowing it was Notre Dame who played a big role in ruining all of their big expansion plans and dreams.

I trust Jack Swarbrick to be steady and smart at the helm for ND through all of this realignment nonsense. He seems to be smart and savvy enough to hold steady through empty threats and "misdirection", "misinformation" and all of the other supposed realignment genius moves.

Thank God that ND forced out former AD Kevin White before this all occurred. That weak willed pansy would have caved in and joined the Big Ten by now.

I believe ND will join the ACC but it won't be because of poaching. Eventually the other conference will move to 9 or 10 game schedules and ND won't be able to fill their schedule. Thus, they will have to join a conference.

(02-22-2013 11:32 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 11:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As much as I still want ND to be a football independent, if it REALLY looks like the ACC is about to be poached by the Big Ten, SEC and/or Big 12, then I may be emotionally/psychologically ready for ND to join the ACC in full.

Why? Because I am a contrary son of a ***** and I would love for it to be ND that jams a pen in the eyes of Jim Delany, Mike Sleve, Bob Bowlsby and conference expansionistas everywhere.

I believe ND will join the ACC but it won't be because of poaching. Eventually the other conference will move to 9 or 10 game schedules and ND won't be able to fill their schedule. Thus, they will have to join a conference.

There's a lot of truth here. Having all five major conferences going to 9-game schedules would make ND's scheduling situation more difficult, but not impossible by any means. And I hate the B1G as much as Terry. I don't want to see them get there way on ND. I'm afraid that a failed ACC would ultimately mean the B1G does get their way on ND.

(02-22-2013 11:32 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 11:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As much as I still want ND to be a football independent, if it REALLY looks like the ACC is about to be poached by the Big Ten, SEC and/or Big 12, then I may be emotionally/psychologically ready for ND to join the ACC in full.

Why? Because I am a contrary son of a ***** and I would love for it to be ND that jams a pen in the eyes of Jim Delany, Mike Sleve, Bob Bowlsby and conference expansionistas everywhere.

I would get great satisfaction knowing it was Notre Dame who played a big role in ruining all of their big expansion plans and dreams.

I trust Jack Swarbrick to be steady and smart at the helm for ND through all of this realignment nonsense. He seems to be smart and savvy enough to hold steady through empty threats and "misdirection", "misinformation" and all of the other supposed realignment genius moves.

Thank God that ND forced out former AD Kevin White before this all occurred. That weak willed pansy would have caved in and joined the Big Ten by now.

I believe ND will join the ACC but it won't be because of poaching. Eventually the other conference will move to 9 or 10 game schedules and ND won't be able to fill their schedule. Thus, they will have to join a conference.

I think that you are partly right and mostly wrong.

I think that you may be right on the nine and ten game deal.

I think that you are wrong that ND still will not be able to fill its schedule.

I think that you are wrong that scheduling issues will force ND to join a conference.

(02-22-2013 11:27 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As much as I still want ND to be a football independent, if it REALLY looks like the ACC is about to be poached by the Big Ten, SEC and/or Big 12, then I may be emotionally/psychologically ready for ND to join the ACC in full.

Why? Because I am a contrary son of a ***** and I would love for it to be ND that jams a pen in the eyes of Jim Delany, Mike Sleve, Bob Bowlsby and conference expansionistas everywhere.

I would get great satisfaction knowing it was Notre Dame who played a big role in ruining all of their big expansion plans and dreams.

I trust Jack Swarbrick to be steady and smart at the helm for ND through all of this realignment nonsense. He seems to be smart and savvy enough to hold steady through empty threats and "misdirection", "misinformation" and all of the other supposed realignment genius moves.

Thank God that ND forced out former AD Kevin White before this all occurred. That weak willed pansy would have caved in and joined the Big Ten by now.

Just admit it, we're growing on you.

BTW, hope we can meet up again soon for a game.