(02-23-2013 10:29 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 09:24 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

Actually, no, no they aren't.

It's absolutely amazing how the nbe goobs are STILL chest thumping even after being told for months they were grossly overstating their worth and merely a day or two after being informed by the worldwide leader of sports reporting that they are worth no more than a sack full of peanuts and a pat on the ass.

Amazing.

You're a fool.

Yeah if the Big East would have retained Louisville and Boise it would have been really good

(02-23-2013 08:29 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Tallgrass just curious to where you are getting your 1.7 figure. The BE deal pays 22M per year. Right now there are 10 teams. If no one is added, that is 2.2M per year. If Navy is added as expected, it drops to 2M. There is no requirement to go to 12, but if the BE did, it would drop to 1.83. Plus the BE is still expected to negotiate secondary rights for additional money. Plus with the other streams of revenue the BE will be far ahead of CUSA (although admittedly far, far below the ACC, etc).

CUSA gets 14M for 14 teams. 1 million per. Not sure where you are getting 1.2M.

OK, my error. Up it up from a measley !.7M to a humongous $1.83M. Nbe tv contact still sucks and is way, way under all the outrageous claims made by Nbe.

Please read my initial post. I stated when the CUSA negotiated its contract 3 years ago, each CUSA school received $1.2M. The increase by Tulane, Houston, SMU, ECU, and UCF from $1.2M to a humongous $1.83M is not because they are suddenly deemed power schools; it is the general increase in conference revenue seen in the BCS conferences like the B12 within the past year. In fact, the % Nbe increase in it tv contract is smaller than B12. No wonder C7 and Boise left.

Making $1.83 million and claiming elite status is an oxymoron.

1 million vs 2.2 million - tough call, which should I take? Let's not even start with the level competition either.

and the thing is- TV money is just one difference....

the playoff money- the BE will be better than the CUSA which will get them more money. a lot of years BE will get the G5 spot, which gets them more money. Basketball- BE is light years ahead of CUSA- which gets them more hoops money. Plus BE only has 10-12 mouths to feed, CUSA has 14(commish was a lunatic going to 14).

CUSA 1
nBE 1.8
ACC 19

The focus should not be on the .8 gap but on the 17.2 gap and the 18 gap.

(02-23-2013 12:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  once again a 100% misleading post from the Troll....

CUSA gets 14 million. 12 teams. That WAS 1.2 million dollars. But, there's now 14 teams with the same money. So 1 Million dollars
NBE gets 20 million from ESPN and 2 million from CBS(for basketball). If for even 12 teams that's 1.8 million dollars. 11 teams gets 2 million. Oh, and there may be another package available for sale which would get more money.

Oh, and CUSA easily could see LESS money in 3 years as they have been put in the SBC place now.

No poster on these boards has less credibility than Tallgrass. More often than not, the text of the article says the opposite of what he writes on the subject line.

Actually all those people screaming for a year that the NBE conference contract was going to be anywhere from 5-15 million have a lot less credibility than Tallgrass.

(02-24-2013 08:55 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 12:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  once again a 100% misleading post from the Troll....

CUSA gets 14 million. 12 teams. That WAS 1.2 million dollars. But, there's now 14 teams with the same money. So 1 Million dollars
NBE gets 20 million from ESPN and 2 million from CBS(for basketball). If for even 12 teams that's 1.8 million dollars. 11 teams gets 2 million. Oh, and there may be another package available for sale which would get more money.

Oh, and CUSA easily could see LESS money in 3 years as they have been put in the SBC place now.

No poster on these boards has less credibility than Tallgrass. More often than not, the text of the article says the opposite of what he writes on the subject line.

Actually all those people screaming for a year that the NBE conference contract was going to be anywhere from 5-15 million have a lot less credibility than Tallgrass.

LOL true dat

(02-23-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  once again a 100% misleading post from the Troll....

CUSA gets 14 million. 12 teams. That WAS 1.2 million dollars. But, there's now 14 teams with the same money. So 1 Million dollars
NBE gets 20 million from ESPN and 2 million from CBS(for basketball). If for even 12 teams that's 1.8 million dollars. 11 teams gets 2 million. Oh, and there may be another package available for sale which would get more money.

Oh, and CUSA easily could see LESS money in 3 years as they have been put in the SBC place now.

Last reports are $130m for 7 years. That's not 20m per year. Nothing but internet chatter and Aresco with regard to the $2 million CBS - and we all know how accurate the speculation/expectation has been to this point.

(02-23-2013 12:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  once again a 100% misleading post from the Troll....

CUSA gets 14 million. 12 teams. That WAS 1.2 million dollars. But, there's now 14 teams with the same money. So 1 Million dollars
NBE gets 20 million from ESPN and 2 million from CBS(for basketball). If for even 12 teams that's 1.8 million dollars. 11 teams gets 2 million. Oh, and there may be another package available for sale which would get more money.

Oh, and CUSA easily could see LESS money in 3 years as they have been put in the SBC place now.

No poster on these boards has less credibility than Tallgrass. More often than not, the text of the article says the opposite of what he writes on the subject line.

The amazing part is that he upsets Tulsa fans as much or more than any other fans. He throws Tulsa under the bus again in this thread. If Tulsa ends up in the BE, will he stay on the CUSA board ?

10 mil for next years basketball then 120 mil for 6 years of all sports. That's an average of 20 mil.

No mention of backloading even though that is normal.

(02-24-2013 09:56 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  once again a 100% misleading post from the Troll....

CUSA gets 14 million. 12 teams. That WAS 1.2 million dollars. But, there's now 14 teams with the same money. So 1 Million dollars
NBE gets 20 million from ESPN and 2 million from CBS(for basketball). If for even 12 teams that's 1.8 million dollars. 11 teams gets 2 million. Oh, and there may be another package available for sale which would get more money.

Oh, and CUSA easily could see LESS money in 3 years as they have been put in the SBC place now.

Last reports are $130m for 7 years. That's not 20m per year. Nothing but internet chatter and Aresco with regard to the $2 million CBS - and we all know how accurate the speculation/expectation has been to this point.

It's for 7 years of basketball and 6 years of both football and basketball. Big East football is still under contract next year, so it's 10 million for next years basketball and then 20 million a year for both throughout the life of the contract.

(02-23-2013 11:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  and the thing is- TV money is just one difference....

the playoff money- the BE will be better than the CUSA which will get them more money. a lot of years BE will get the G5 spot, which gets them more money. Basketball- BE is light years ahead of CUSA- which gets them more hoops money. Plus BE only has 10-12 mouths to feed, CUSA has 14(commish was a lunatic going to 14).

Excellent post. And it's true. The MWC and BE are basically in a tie in 1/2 right now but the gap between them and CUSA/MAC/SB has never been smaller.

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

By a mile???

I know that our recruiting class was ranked higher than theirs, but I think it's a little bit of an exaggeration to claim that it was by a mile.

(02-23-2013 10:36 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  A. CUSA-12 renegotiated its contract 3 years ago and received about $1.2M per CUSA school.

B. Houston, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, UCF, and ECU, the designated superior attractive schools added former AQ schools Cincy, UConn, and UCF plus adding Navy and jettisoned what are considered the worst CUSA schools of Tulsa, Rice, UTEP, UAB, Southern Miss, and Marshall, and then was able to renegotiate its TV contract in what is considered the most opportune time of rapidily boosted conference tv contracts.

(1) The collection of "superior" schools, (2) the jettisoning of "inferior" schools, and (3) renegotiating a tv contract in a time of rapidly rising tv college conference tv contracts should have seen a very lucrative Nbe tv contract. Why, then, is it that Nbe, with three very strong factors in its advantage, only able to negotiate a Nbe tv contract worth only $500,000 more per CUSA school (on a CUSA contract negotiated 3 years ago)?

When you consider the 3 strong advantages of Nbe, the low $1.7M per Nbe is surprisingly low.

C. C7 will earn somewhere between $3M to $4M per basketball playing school. Two broadcast netoworks, ESPN and FOX are bidding against each other to get the C7. The lesson to be drawn here is that the market truly does reward those with a worthy product...and refute any advanced conspiracy theory that a Network or networks are actively working to undermine a college conference.

Perhaps there are some positives in the realignment circus. All schools have been evaluated by broadcast outlets. No school can now complain that its respective conference is "holding us back."

The nBE is basically the old CUSA + UConn, Temple (a MAC school), and eventually Navy football. So it should be no surprise that the money was CUSA dollars with a small enhancement. With UConn and Cincy being as shaky as they are, the value is damaged even further because the networks don't even know what they're getting. It's hard to expect them to make a financial commitment when the new conference's flagship members won't even make a commitment of their own.

(02-23-2013 09:24 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

Actually, no, no they aren't.

It's absolutely amazing how the nbe goobs are STILL chest thumping even after being told for months they were grossly overstating their worth and merely a day or two after being informed by the worldwide leader of sports reporting that they are worth no more than a sack full of peanuts and a pat on the ass.

Amazing.

Wow. The Big East chest thumping sounds alot like how some S Miss folks (like you) continue to chest thump after being 0-12. Both groups need a dose of humility.

(02-24-2013 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 09:24 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

Actually, no, no they aren't.

It's absolutely amazing how the nbe goobs are STILL chest thumping even after being told for months they were grossly overstating their worth and merely a day or two after being informed by the worldwide leader of sports reporting that they are worth no more than a sack full of peanuts and a pat on the ass.

Amazing.

You mean like how some S Miss folks continue to chest thump after being 0-12?

Nope --- totally different. One is an anomaly and the other is a contract lasting until 2020. Besides, I don't see any GOLDEN EAGLES chest thumping despite 0-12 but responding to harassing comments that 0-12 is an anomaly and history shows we will recover. You sound butt-hurt about 2011?

(02-24-2013 10:42 AM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 09:24 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:33 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East is clearly the #6 conference in terms of economics, but we have a chance to do better on the field than the Big 10 & ACC if some of our programs step up (Memphis, Tulane, etc.). I think they can do that.

UConn outrecruited our two local ACC rivals (Syracuse and Boston College) by a mile this year, so that shows the Big East can be competitive.

Actually, no, no they aren't.

It's absolutely amazing how the nbe goobs are STILL chest thumping even after being told for months they were grossly overstating their worth and merely a day or two after being informed by the worldwide leader of sports reporting that they are worth no more than a sack full of peanuts and a pat on the ass.

Amazing.

You mean like how some S Miss folks continue to chest thump after being 0-12?

Nope --- totally different. One is an anomaly and the other is a contract lasting until 2020. Besides, I don't see any GOLDEN EAGLES chest thumping despite 0-12 but responding to harassing comments that 0-12 is an anomaly and history shows we will recover. You sound butt-hurt about 2011?

Nope. But we were talking about 2012. Not surprising you want to change the subject. Truth be told this is all silly. Many CUSA folks have no problem understanding that CUSA teams with a few old BE teams sprinkled in will get CUSA type money. But the same folks seem to think a conference made up largely of schools that are Sunbelt schools making 20k a year (or FCS schools with NO tv contract at all) are going to suddenly generate a raise for CUSA on the next contract. If the nBE is paid like it looks like it will be paid, CUSA is likely looking at a contract somewhere between it's current number and the Sunbelt number. The nBE contract is bad news for everyone outside the Big 5.

And just to be clear, Tulsa and S Miss are the two teams I want added to the BE. Don't know if this sad new contract we got is going to make that possible.....disappointing.

(02-24-2013 10:09 AM)Tulsafanzz Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 12:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  once again a 100% misleading post from the Troll....

CUSA gets 14 million. 12 teams. That WAS 1.2 million dollars. But, there's now 14 teams with the same money. So 1 Million dollars
NBE gets 20 million from ESPN and 2 million from CBS(for basketball). If for even 12 teams that's 1.8 million dollars. 11 teams gets 2 million. Oh, and there may be another package available for sale which would get more money.

Oh, and CUSA easily could see LESS money in 3 years as they have been put in the SBC place now.

No poster on these boards has less credibility than Tallgrass. More often than not, the text of the article says the opposite of what he writes on the subject line.

The amazing part is that he upsets Tulsa fans as much or more than any other fans. He throws Tulsa under the bus again in this thread. If Tulsa ends up in the BE, will he stay on the CUSA board ?

Please remember that Tulsa (if invited) is only invited because Boise State said get me the heck out of here and SDSU followed. There is a message there, if one will only pause to consider it.

(02-24-2013 10:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Many CUSA folks have no problem understanding that CUSA teams with a few old BE teams sprinkled in will get CUSA type money. But the same folks seem to think a conference made up largely of schools that are Sunbelt schools making 20k a year (or FCS schools with NO tv contract at all) are going to suddenly generate a raise for CUSA on the next contract. If the nBE is paid like it looks like it will be paid, CUSA is likely looking at a contract somewhere between it's current number and the Sunbelt number. The nBE contract is bad news for everyone outside the Big 5.

You see nCUSA posters saying nCUSA's media deal is going up? I haven't seen that, but maybe I don't read enough. Point me the right direction.

I will be happy to link you to a few nBE posters claiming numbers as high as 15 million to 20 million per school. Let's find those CUSA posters making claims like this and set them straight. I believe when we turned the lights on it was nBE fans in the circle jurk not the nCUSA fans.

(02-24-2013 11:33 AM)UABGrad Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 10:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Many CUSA folks have no problem understanding that CUSA teams with a few old BE teams sprinkled in will get CUSA type money. But the same folks seem to think a conference made up largely of schools that are Sunbelt schools making 20k a year (or FCS schools with NO tv contract at all) are going to suddenly generate a raise for CUSA on the next contract. If the nBE is paid like it looks like it will be paid, CUSA is likely looking at a contract somewhere between it's current number and the Sunbelt number. The nBE contract is bad news for everyone outside the Big 5.

You see nCUSA posters saying nCUSA's media deal is going up? I haven't seen that, but maybe I don't read enough. Point me the right direction.

I will be happy to link you to a few nBE posters claiming numbers as high as 15 million to 20 million per school. Let's find those CUSA posters making claims like this and set them straight. I believe when we turned the lights on it was nBE fans in the circle jurk not the nCUSA fans.

If you link those it will probably be about a Big East that includes Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Louisville and the basketball schools. Then there will be posts for about $8 to $10million with a group that includes Rutgers, Pitt and the basketball schools. Finally there will be posts in the current make up of the BigEast for $4 million, still about double, but not nearly as delusional as you are making the Big East fans out to be.