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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 11:32 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
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(02-24-2013 10:50 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Perhaps there can be a technology like the glass at NHL games? Obviously that glass wouldnt hold up to a car hitting it at 180mph right now but perhaps there is a technology that can be developed.

WTS, nothing will be full proof other than not putting people 20 ft from cars going 180mph.

...would be black in 50 laps

Certain tracks not having seating close to the track....yep, but that is major dollars... Will they do it? This is the question. My fear is many will have to die before that happens...just like the Hans device relative to Earnhardt

There is technology that could continuously clean it. That's the easy part.

It would be interesting to hear what that would be that wouldn't impair vision.

I'm thinking midgets with squeegees.
02-24-2013 11:35 AM
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 11:03 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  The apathy of the NASCAR official pissed me off. Saying that there were no plans to change anything and all the protocols worked. Move the people back before you kill someone. Shrapnel is exactly right. It's like selling tickets to a bombing in a war.

I know. I don't understand someone having to die to make a change...especially someone in the stands. I hate to say it because I love racing, but their mentality sometimes is still wallowing in the bootlegging days.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
Last year, ended up with some freebies to the 500 that were 3rd row...just to the left of the start finish line...just 1 section over from yesterday's crash.

There's a very good reason why front row seats are the cheapest for NASCAR events (not only because you can't see most of the track)...because yes, just having a lose lugnut fly off at 200 mph would easily kill someone if they ever got hit in the head with it (i.e. a fence with giant holes in it wouldn't stop a lugnut or other small pieces of the car).

Seems initially that the walk-way gate took the brunt of the crash...and possibly, thats why more pieces of the car got shredded..but the cables/fencing did "ok" in keeping most of the car on the track.

Daytona Speedway repaired the fence overnight without the walk-way gate...plus, I'm sure the ushers will try to keep everyone off the fence as much as possible...but at Daytona you are able to walk right down the fence line...which is cool if you want to make your own videos...because its hard to explain what a pack of cars going 200 mph just 5-6 feet away from you feels like to others.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

Daytona's fence (and all other NASCAR tracks) had their fencing extended higher over the past 5-7 years.

Unless they build a 100 ft high fence everywhere...not sure you can predict every crazy crash predicament.

Fans have been killed at NHRA races flying tires and debris...same at some past Indy Car (open wheel) races.

Racing will never be 100% safe proof...for drivers or fans.
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(02-24-2013 11:35 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 11:32 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 11:05 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 11:03 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:50 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Perhaps there can be a technology like the glass at NHL games? Obviously that glass wouldnt hold up to a car hitting it at 180mph right now but perhaps there is a technology that can be developed.

WTS, nothing will be full proof other than not putting people 20 ft from cars going 180mph.

...would be black in 50 laps

Certain tracks not having seating close to the track....yep, but that is major dollars... Will they do it? This is the question. My fear is many will have to die before that happens...just like the Hans device relative to Earnhardt

There is technology that could continuously clean it. That's the easy part.

It would be interesting to hear what that would be that wouldn't impair vision.

I'm thinking midgets with squeegees.

...thought you might come with sucker fish
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(02-24-2013 11:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

Daytona's fence (and all other NASCAR tracks) had their fencing extended higher over the past 5-7 years.

Unless they build a 100 ft high fence everywhere...not sure you can predict every crazy crash predicament.

Fans have been killed at NHRA races flying tires and debris...same at some past Indy Car (open wheel) races.

Racing will never be 100% safe proof...for drivers or fans.

I agree. I was going to mention Indy Car earlier.

I wish we could go back to beating and banging racing where men where men...it was just better. These cars are just too light. But them fans love their drafting.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
All sports bring diffrent dangers to its fans.
Baseball- broken bats and 100mph foul balls
Hockey- People have died from getting hit by pucks
MMA - Drunken fans who love to fight
ect.

Or one of the many times someone has died falling to their death at a stadium/dome.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

I'm almost positive that the tire didn't go over the fence, it went through the whole it created. How could the tire go up, inwards toward the track to get over the curved part, the start moving back towards the stands? Not possible.

The fence did it's part - it kept the car inside the track. If the car had hit where there was no cross-over gate, the car would have kept going down the track, probably barrel rolling along.
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Fox Sports News tore those who were there and chose to just video the incident with their cell phones instead of getting involved to help any victims, a "new one" this morning...
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 12:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

I'm almost positive that the tire didn't go over the fence, it went through the whole it created. How could the tire go up, inwards toward the track to get over the curved part, the start moving back towards the stands? Not possible.

The fence did it's part - it kept the car inside the track. If the car had hit where there was no cross-over gate, the car would have kept going down the track, probably barrel rolling along.

The replay clearly shows the tire going over the fence.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 01:05 PM)Matrix Wrote:  Fox Sports News tore those who were there and chose to just video the incident with their cell phones instead of getting involved to help any victims, a "new one" this morning...

I don't necessarily agree with that. Most of the people there would just be getting in the way of the individuals who could actually help the victims. In my opinion, better for them to stay out of the way of the people who can actually help. In the cell phone videos I've seen, plenty of people were taking the initiative to help the injured and more people helping would have just got in each other's way.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 02:25 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 12:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

I'm almost positive that the tire didn't go over the fence, it went through the whole it created. How could the tire go up, inwards toward the track to get over the curved part, the start moving back towards the stands? Not possible.

The fence did it's part - it kept the car inside the track. If the car had hit where there was no cross-over gate, the car would have kept going down the track, probably barrel rolling along.

The replay clearly shows the tire going over the fence.

This replay disagrees. It clearly show the tire went thru the fence, not over.

http://youtu.be/kdv0eC8zovQ?t=22s

(Around the :24 mark)


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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 12:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

I'm almost positive that the tire didn't go over the fence, it went through the whole it created. How could the tire go up, inwards toward the track to get over the curved part, the start moving back towards the stands? Not possible.

The fence did it's part - it kept the car inside the track. If the car had hit where there was no cross-over gate, the car would have kept going down the track, probably barrel rolling along.

Ding, ding, ding...The issue was not the fencing itself it is the car struck the fence that was the issue. It hit in the area of a crossover gate. These crossover gate areas have caused some of the most horrific looking crashes over the years. If this vehicle had hit a the fence/wall in a solid area it would have rolled down the fence and would not have been torn apart like it was...Sure some debris probably would have still made it into the stands but nothing like what we saw.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 12:11 PM)mrchance33 Wrote:  All sports bring diffrent dangers to its fans.
Baseball- broken bats and 100mph foul balls
Hockey- People have died from getting hit by pucks
MMA - Drunken fans who love to fight
ect.

Or one of the many times someone has died falling to their death at a stadium/dome.

I wouldnt put hockey on that anymore. Since the girl died at the Thrashers game about 10 years back, the NHL has made the nets above the ice mandatory. It is just about impossible to get hit with a puck in the stands now.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-24-2013 12:11 PM)mrchance33 Wrote:  All sports bring diffrent dangers to its fans.
Baseball- broken bats and 100mph foul balls
Hockey- People have died from getting hit by pucks
MMA - Drunken fans who love to fight
ect.

Or one of the many times someone has died falling to their death at a stadium/dome.

Nobody has ever died when a basketball ended up in the stands.
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(02-25-2013 05:21 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 12:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

I'm almost positive that the tire didn't go over the fence, it went through the whole it created. How could the tire go up, inwards toward the track to get over the curved part, the start moving back towards the stands? Not possible.

The fence did it's part - it kept the car inside the track. If the car had hit where there was no cross-over gate, the car would have kept going down the track, probably barrel rolling along.

Ding, ding, ding...The issue was not the fencing itself it is the car struck the fence that was the issue. It hit in the area of a crossover gate. These crossover gate areas have caused some of the most horrific looking crashes over the years. If this vehicle had hit a the fence/wall in a solid area it would have rolled down the fence and would not have been torn apart like it was...Sure some debris probably would have still made it into the stands but nothing like what we saw.

Michael Waltrip - Bristol
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RE: Nationwide race crash
(02-25-2013 09:28 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  
(02-25-2013 05:21 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 12:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(02-24-2013 10:44 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  First and simplest fix is extend the overhang at the top. The fence did its job that tire went over the top

I'm almost positive that the tire didn't go over the fence, it went through the whole it created. How could the tire go up, inwards toward the track to get over the curved part, the start moving back towards the stands? Not possible.

The fence did it's part - it kept the car inside the track. If the car had hit where there was no cross-over gate, the car would have kept going down the track, probably barrel rolling along.

Ding, ding, ding...The issue was not the fencing itself it is the car struck the fence that was the issue. It hit in the area of a crossover gate. These crossover gate areas have caused some of the most horrific looking crashes over the years. If this vehicle had hit a the fence/wall in a solid area it would have rolled down the fence and would not have been torn apart like it was...Sure some debris probably would have still made it into the stands but nothing like what we saw.

Michael Waltrip - Bristol

Exactly, how he was not seriously injured or killed in that wreck is a miracle.
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RE: Nationwide race crash
Still keeping a good thought for everyone directly affected by the crash that took place last week.

I have to admit, I'd not followed NASCAR closely at all in recent years, but that thing with Danica Patrick had me intrigued, in fact, I was hoping for a top 5 finish for her, when I heard that she was in 3rd place with one lap to go, I was jacked, but she explained pretty eloquently after the race what had happened to cause to fall back 5 slots at the finish.

And is it true that the PA announcer that usually yells the customary, "Gentlemen, start your engines", said something instead that some in the sports talk radio world felt was condescending and out of place?
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(02-26-2013 03:00 PM)Matrix Wrote:  And is it true that the PA announcer that usually yells the customary, "Gentlemen, start your engines", said something instead that some in the sports talk radio world felt was condescending and out of place?

It wasn't the PA announcer, it was the Grand Marshall, which is the celebrity / CEO / Sponsor that gets to give the command the races. This year it was James Franco and he said "Drivers, and Danica, start your engines." People got their britches all wadded up because that's what people do these days.
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(02-26-2013 03:12 PM)Lethemeul Wrote:  
(02-26-2013 03:00 PM)Matrix Wrote:  And is it true that the PA announcer that usually yells the customary, "Gentlemen, start your engines", said something instead that some in the sports talk radio world felt was condescending and out of place?

It wasn't the PA announcer, it was the Grand Marshall, which is the celebrity / CEO / Sponsor that gets to give the command the races. This year it was James Franco and he said "Drivers, and Danica, start your engines." People got their britches all wadded up because that's what people do these days.

Ridiculous. I heard one national sports columnist say she qualified first, and made a point to say it would be sexist to use the more common phrase (pole position)
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