(02-26-2013 11:16 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  To the intellectual elites and administrators of the University, college sports are not the priority. That is the difference between them and the unwashed masses. Politics are involved. I know you will disagree and that is fine. Your fandom that borders on insanity is what fuels the UNC athletic program and that is good. You serve your purpose, you just don't seem to understand what goes on above you.

Passive aggressive insults are your excalibur, so I'm not going to fall for that. It really is kind of pathetic.

Why haven't the people above me realized all this talk of yours is the golden ticket? What are we waiting for? Or maybe you don't know exactly what is important to the power brokers and intellectual elite in NC.

(02-26-2013 11:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:16 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  To the intellectual elites and administrators of the University, college sports are not the priority. That is the difference between them and the unwashed masses. Politics are involved. I know you will disagree and that is fine. Your fandom that borders on insanity is what fuels the UNC athletic program and that is good. You serve your purpose, you just don't seem to understand what goes on above you.

Passive aggressive insults are your excalibur, so I'm not going to fall for that. It really is kind of pathetic.

Why haven't the people above me realized all this talk of yours is the golden ticket? What are we waiting for? Or maybe you don't know exactly what is important to the power brokers and intellectual elite in NC.

So you try and portray me in a certain insulting manner and then you insult me at the same time. That is really quite hypocritical. You probably don't even realize it.

As to your second paragraph. We are not talking about small fries here. We are talking about massive moves that will change years of tradition. They will not be undertaken lightly. What does that mean? Negotiation, months and months of it.

"Pathetic" isn't necessarily an insult, I feel sympathy for you.

If it happens, it happens. I'm not a stark raving mad fan that will boycott my school. Although, there isn't much to get excited about when one takes into consideration we would be going from the center of our league to being the extreme outlier. As an Iowa fan you must be used to it, not bashing you, but it is the reality of the situation.

(02-26-2013 11:38 AM)esayem Wrote:  "Pathetic" isn't necessarily an insult, I feel sympathy for you.

If it happens, it happens. I'm not a stark raving mad fan that will boycott my school. Although, there isn't much to get excited about when one takes into consideration we would be going from the center of our league to being the extreme outlier. As an Iowa fan you must be used to it, not bashing you, but it is the reality of the situation.

You feel sympathy for me for being realistic? Whatever floats your boat.

As an Iowa fan I don't see things like you do. Iowa plays its part in the conference and in return it succeeds due to it. Iowa is plenty competitive but even when they aren't it doesn't bother me one bit. It is just sports.....

Now, I DO understand the mentality of it being hard leaving a league that you are the center of. I may come off as an ******* to you but I am actually quite empathetic. I think though that you will find that doesn't affect you personally at all. I think you would find that all the changes that come about AFTER realignment that you like college football even more. How does UNC political dominance of the ACC affect you?

(02-26-2013 10:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just ask Tennessee how easy that task is and you can consider North Carolina in the northern portion of the Southeast. They would face the same obstacles as Tennessee is facing in today's SEC.

Tennessee's main problem was former AD Mike Hamilton. Now that he's gone, the football program has fewer obstacles in its path...

(02-26-2013 12:47 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just ask Tennessee how easy that task is and you can consider North Carolina in the northern portion of the Southeast. They would face the same obstacles as Tennessee is facing in today's SEC.

Tennessee's main problem was former AD Mike Hamilton. Now that he's gone, the football program has fewer obstacles in its path...

Agreed. The Vols will be back, likely within a couple of years.

(02-26-2013 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:47 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just ask Tennessee how easy that task is and you can consider North Carolina in the northern portion of the Southeast. They would face the same obstacles as Tennessee is facing in today's SEC.

Tennessee's main problem was former AD Mike Hamilton. Now that he's gone, the football program has fewer obstacles in its path...

Agreed. The Vols will be back, likely within a couple of years.

I think that is a pretty big prediction. I think the Vols will need a crutch to help them. The demographics of the SEC now work against them.

The demographics of the SEC are working against them? Tennessee can go into any state in the South and recruit. It all depends on the coach.

(02-26-2013 01:04 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  The demographics of the SEC are working against them? Tennessee can go into any state in the South and recruit. It all depends on the coach.

Just that simple huh? Where are they going to get this wonder coach?

Same place the other schools in the SEC got their coaches.

Heck, move James Franklin from Vandy to Tennessee and see what happens to their recruiting.

(02-26-2013 01:09 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Same place the other schools in the SEC got their coaches.

Then why didn't they do that with their last one?

Because hiring a coach is crapshoot and sometime you lose.

Did you think Bama was going to stay down forever before Saban got there? Is there something special about South Carolina or is just the fact that Steve Spurrier took that job?

(02-26-2013 01:12 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Because hiring a coach is crapshoot and sometime you lose.

Did you think Bama was going to stay down forever before Saban got there? Is there something special about South Carolina or is just the fact that Steve Spurrier took that job?

Look, I agree that with a big name coach Tennessee could return to glory but as you say...it is a crapshoot. What I posted of would be a sure thing. If you are trying to entice a big time coach there, a better suited division would certainly help in that endeavor.

(02-26-2013 01:09 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Same place the other schools in the SEC got their coaches.

Heck, move James Franklin from Vandy to Tennessee and see what happens to their recruiting.

They just hired a good one He1nous. He hasn't had a chance to play a game as the Volunteer head coach yet.

(02-26-2013 01:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 01:09 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Same place the other schools in the SEC got their coaches.

Heck, move James Franklin from Vandy to Tennessee and see what happens to their recruiting.

They just hired a good one He1nous. He hasn't had a chance to play a game as the Volunteer head coach yet.

Well hopefully he is able to turn them around, as already said though, it is a crapshoot. I am sure they thought they hired a good one with the last one.

(02-26-2013 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:47 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just ask Tennessee how easy that task is and you can consider North Carolina in the northern portion of the Southeast. They would face the same obstacles as Tennessee is facing in today's SEC.

Tennessee's main problem was former AD Mike Hamilton. Now that he's gone, the football program has fewer obstacles in its path...

Agreed. The Vols will be back, likely within a couple of years.

I think that is a pretty big prediction. I think the Vols will need a crutch to help them. The demographics of the SEC now work against them.

You obviously don't know much about the talent in Tennessee. There's plenty of talent around here. It won't take the Vols long to rebuild, as long as Butch maintains good relationships with the HS coaches in the area. That was a weakness for both Kiffin and Dooley, and Mike Hamilton's exploits didn't help them any either...

The Vols will get the talent needed to compete. Then they'll need some depth. You can't compete in the SEC without it. It's been sadly depleted since Fulmer was forced out. So has top of the line talent. But give Butch Jones a couple of years to recruit the talent he needs for his system, and I think the Vols will be just fine...

Tennessee was on top during the '90s when Georgia, Alabama, LSU, & South Carolina were all down for the most part. No TAMU to deal with then either. It's certainly not a gimme that they'll return to that status regardless of the coach.

You all seriously overestimate the staying power of South Carolina.

(02-26-2013 01:23 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Tennessee was on top during the '90s when Georgia, Alabama, LSU, & South Carolina were all down for the most part. No TAMU to deal with then either. It's certainly not a gimme that they'll return to that status regardless of the coach.

Your are correct on two points. There are no gimmes in life. There are no gimmes in the SEC.

(02-26-2013 01:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:47 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:11 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just ask Tennessee how easy that task is and you can consider North Carolina in the northern portion of the Southeast. They would face the same obstacles as Tennessee is facing in today's SEC.

Tennessee's main problem was former AD Mike Hamilton. Now that he's gone, the football program has fewer obstacles in its path...

Agreed. The Vols will be back, likely within a couple of years.

I think that is a pretty big prediction. I think the Vols will need a crutch to help them. The demographics of the SEC now work against them.

You obviously don't know much about the talent in Tennessee. There's plenty of talent around here. It won't take the Vols long to rebuild, as long as Butch maintains good relationships with the HS coaches in the area. That was a weakness for both Kiffin and Dooley, and Mike Hamilton's exploits didn't help them any either...

The Vols will get the talent needed to compete. Then they'll need some depth. You can't compete in the SEC without it. It's been sadly depleted since Fulmer was forced out. So has top of the line talent. But give Butch Jones a couple of years to recruit the talent he needs for his system, and I think the Vols will be just fine...

You are right, I don't know much about Tennessee talent. Tennessee isn't lighting up the recruiting boards though. I am not wishing ill on Tennessee. I actually wish to see them return to success. I love an underdog. I am just skeptical that a coaching change can fix what has been happening. If top talent does arise in the state, is Tennessee assured to win their choice or is it just as possible that that kind of talent goes to one of the more Southern schools if they come calling?

What I am proposing would be a sure fire way for the SEC to help rebuild one of it's biggest brands. Tennessee can still fill its 100,000+ stadium despite what is going on with the program. That is a major brand and needs to be treated as such. Stick them in their own division with some local rivals that actually have strong programs. VT, WVU and Louisville. That will also help improve UT's ability to keep the top talent from the State in the State.

The coaching change might help but I am talking about something else that would make it a sure thing AND help out the new coaching regime.