I'm not concerned about the financial aspects. WVU paid $20 million to get out of The BEast before it crumbled, and now have a debt of $13 million. That means that WVU had a few million dollars to play with prior to leaving. The athletic department is doing something right. Otherwise the debt would be far greater, considering all the income we left behind in the form of NCAA tourney credits, and all our football income from the 2010 season. WVU is only making 50% of B12 income this season, which is still more than we would have made in The BEast, and goes up quite a bit next year...

As for the way this season has gone, these things happen. Look at Syracuse. They're just getting back on their feet in football for the first time since the 1990s. But the Orange had over a decade of futility. Pittsburgh hasn't done anything significant in football since their last national title in the 1970s...

WVU has one bad season due to a young coach figuring out that defense is just as important as offense, even though offense is what puts butts in the seats. I think WVU will be improved a bit overall next season, even though we did lose all our offensive stars. One thing Holgerson does know is offense. So WVU's offense will be fine, and I think the defense will be much improved now that DeForest has gone back to coaching special teams, where he belongs...

As for Huggins team, he's had a couple recruiting classes that didn't pan out (2009 & 2010), with the exception of 2010 recruit Kevin Noreen and 2009 recruit Kilicli. Noah Cottrill got derailed by drugs. David Nyarsuk didn't qualify academically, and is now playing for UC, where he averages about 2.8 ppg and 2.5 rpg. Darrious Curry had a heart problem that prevented him from playing. Dalton Pepper transferred to Temple and is averaging 3 ppg. Dan Jennings walked off the court and disappeared during the middle of a game, before transferring to Long Beach State, where he's averaging a bit over 9 ppg and 6 rpg. Jennings and Pepper would have been seniors, along with Kilicli. Cottrill, Curry, and Nyarsuk would have been juniors. Those guys would have provided the leadership this team needs, and doesn't have. Kilicli isn't suited for the on court leadership role, and the rest of WVU's upperclassmen are transfers. However, the future will be better. WVU will have a lot of experience returning, along with a very good incoming class, all of whom have already qualified - as long as they graduate...

The B12 also plans to address WVU's travel issues. I just hope the NCAA revokes the rule that prevents teams from staying on the road, rather than requiring them to return to campus after each basketball game. That rule has hit WVU a couple of times already this season, requiring unnecessary long trips...

By the time WVU is making their full B12 share, all this will be water under the bridge...

As for the ACC, they've been making excuses to avoid WVU since the conference first formed. First it was the roads, then it was the fact that WVU isn't near the Atlantic coast, and the latest was academics. Frankly, if WVU does come back to a conference closer to Morgantown, I'd much prefer the SEC. The fact that most of WVU's old rivals are now in the ACC is of no consequence. The ACC can stick it. They're small potatoes compared to the other major conferences...

We have a writer trying to sensationalize this news to gain readers, which worked, since everyone here has read it. Now all of WVU's detractors are saying it's the end of the world for the Mountaineers. It isn't. It's just a hiccup on the road of life...

(02-25-2013 09:03 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 07:56 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  After watching the 13-13 WVU Mountaineers lose to Oklahoma State at home, one has to wonder what is going on. ESPN reported that the school travel 32K miles to date for basketball games. The costs are mounting. Also, after talking with two WVU supporters, both are concerned that football will fall off dramatically this year. It could be a long, long year in 2013 for WVU. So the realignment question returns, was this best for WVU?

People say things like this all the time but really, what alternative did WVU have? Their only alternative would have been to stay in the Aresco League and hope for the best. How's that strategy working out for Cincinnati?

Look, WVU would obviously rather be in the ACC playing against all of their former rivals as well as some of their aspirational rivals. Some of their fans deny that fact but who are they kidding?

Why do you think almost all of these rumors about the demise of the ACC/Pitt pop up out of the Mountain State? This is DEFINITELY psycho ex-girlfriend bullschitt and anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't want to see it.

It is not remotely coincidental that in almost all of these rumors, Pitt and the ACC - WVU's two arch enemies - end up dead in a ditch somewhere along the side of the road while WVU and the B12 end up profiting beyond their wildest dreams. That's how most folk stories go.

With that in mind, the rumor part has never surprised me. Their motives are incredibly transparent. What has long surprised me is that people are gullible enough to continue to buy into them? Again though, the people who seem to push them the hardest tend to be those with the largest ax to grind and/or the most to gain. College athletics is a lot like most other forms of politics in that way.

The shame of it from my standpoint is that with Maryland going to the B1G, had WVU waited a year - or if the timing had been better - they, not Louisville, would almost certainly be in the ACC.

Unfortunately, it didn't work out so now they're in a league in which they are the clear outlier both geographically and culturally. However, in fairness, I should also point out that they were something of a cultural outlier in the Big East too so they're relatively used to it. Trust me when I tell you that as someone who has lived all over the country - including West Virginia - that state is unlike any other I have ever encountered. As such, they would be a cultural outlier in any league - even the SEC.

Still, I continue to come back to the question, what other choice did the Mountaineer brass have but to accept the B12's offer for league membership? Had they turned that down, they would have been destroyed by everyone and their leadership all would have been forced to resign.

To me, the real killer for WVU was the B12's decision to not expand. That hesitation allowed the ACC to snatch up Louisville after that league lost Maryland. That basically took away WVU's last best chance at having a legitimate competitive/geographic rivalry within their new league. Now, the ACC almost has to crumble or they are completely hosed and they know it. So, in other words I guess what I'm saying is prepare for more rumors coming out of By Gawd that all center around the imminent demise of the ACC and Pitt. That's because if the ACC survives in or near its current state, WVU will become marginalized.

This stuff is not exactly rocket science.

I have tried to steer clear of the WVU/Pitt banter on this board because I sometimes feel like I am dealing with Russell Crowe's character in his shed at the end of "Beautiful Mind" , but this post is classic:


1. There are people who still actually contend that all of the rumors about the ACC getting raided are coming from West Virginia? I am not sure if this demonstrates blind hatred or simply complete denial.....perhaps both? These "rumors" have been perpetuated by SEVERAL Big 10 Presidents and ADS......but it is WVU fans who spin the rumors to their favor?


2. This is going to probably break your spirits, but "the dude" is talked about more on this board and the B12/WVU scout board than anywhere else that I have seen. Most WVU fans that I know have never heard of him or think he is FOS. This information is probably going to kill your narrative (it will actually probably be ignored since it does not fit your narrative), but those windmills look pretty dangerous out there so fighting them off might still be prudent.



3. Your football program played its third bowl game in a row in Birmingham and continues to play its Spring Games at High School football stadiums. I am not sure you are in much of a position to talk about which schools might be marginalized. Has Pitt football done ANYTHING relevant in since the early 1980s other than play spoiler to WVU on a really bad night? Sure we had a disappointing football and basketball season, but we also won a BCS bowl and an away game at Texas in front of 100,000 fans in 2012. We just brought in the highest rated recruiting class since Rivals started tracking this process. We are going to have possibly 2 first round picks for the first time that I can ever remember. Who has been the most marginalized football program in the country over the past 30 years? I guess the domestic steel industry could make a comeback someday soon too.....

(02-25-2013 10:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Now all of WVU's detractors are saying it's the end of the world for the Mountaineers.

Does that mean I have to turn in my WVU Detractor Card?

(Because that article was crap.)

(02-25-2013 08:08 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 08:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  acc, but it won't happen.

undoubtedly the ACC would have been a better fit for WVU and I don't think anyone would deny that.

From WVU's perspective, yes.

(02-25-2013 10:27 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  1. There are people who still actually contend that all of the rumors about the ACC getting raided are coming from West Virginia? I am not sure if this demonstrates blind hatred or simply complete denial.....perhaps both? These "rumors" have been perpetuated by SEVERAL Big 10 Presidents and ADS......but it is WVU fans who spin the rumors to their favor?

There are real quotes from real authorities. That doesn't change the fact that WVU is the fanbase most active in hyping any and all danger signs from the ACC. It's natural to hype up the likelihood of what you want to see happen. WVU fans probably the fanbase who most wants to see the ACC fail. (Maybe ECU and Clemson fans, but WVU fans have more optimism.)

West Virginia lost all their rivals, I've heard the tale, and they lost them all to the ACC. Meanwhile the Tobacco Road snobs snubbed Mountaineer Nation as academically unworthy, unwashed backwoods moonshiners. Remember, a slut is a girl who will sleep with anyone, a ***** is a girl who will sleep with anyone but you. And WVU fans have watched the ACC bed down with BC, with VT, with Syracuse, with Pitt and now Louisville. But not WVU.

WVU fans, quick question. What do you think about the B12 adding Cincinnati as a travel partner for you. (Please take USF along as well).

(02-25-2013 10:21 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'm not concerned about the financial aspects. WVU paid $20 million to get out of The BEast before it crumbled, and now have a debt of $13 million. That means that WVU had a few million dollars to play with prior to leaving. The athletic department is doing something right. Otherwise the debt would be far greater, considering all the income we left behind in the form of NCAA tourney credits, and all our football income from the 2010 season. WVU is only making 50% of B12 income this season, which is still more than we would have made in The BEast, and goes up quite a bit next year...

As for the way this season has gone, these things happen. Look at Syracuse. They're just getting back on their feet in football for the first time since the 1990s. But the Orange had over a decade of futility. Pittsburgh hasn't done anything significant in football since their last national title in the 1970s...

WVU has one bad season due to a young coach figuring out that defense is just as important as offense, even though offense is what puts butts in the seats. I think WVU will be improved a bit overall next season, even though we did lose all our offensive stars. One thing Holgerson does know is offense. So WVU's offense will be fine, and I think the defense will be much improved now that DeForest has gone back to coaching special teams, where he belongs...

As for Huggins team, he's had a couple recruiting classes that didn't pan out (2009 & 2010), with the exception of 2010 recruit Kevin Noreen and 2009 recruit Kilicli. Noah Cottrill got derailed by drugs. David Nyarsuk didn't qualify academically, and is now playing for UC, where he averages about 2.8 ppg and 2.5 rpg. Darrious Curry had a heart problem that prevented him from playing. Dalton Pepper transferred to Temple and is averaging 3 ppg. Dan Jennings walked off the court and disappeared during the middle of a game, before transferring to Long Beach State, where he's averaging a bit over 9 ppg and 6 rpg. Jennings and Pepper would have been seniors, along with Kilicli. Cottrill, Curry, and Nyarsuk would have been juniors. Those guys would have provided the leadership this team needs, and doesn't have. Kilicli isn't suited for the on court leadership role, and the rest of WVU's upperclassmen are transfers. However, the future will be better. WVU will have a lot of experience returning, along with a very good incoming class, all of whom have already qualified - as long as they graduate...

The B12 also plans to address WVU's travel issues. I just hope the NCAA revokes the rule that prevents teams from staying on the road, rather than requiring them to return to campus after each basketball game. That rule has hit WVU a couple of times already this season, requiring unnecessary long trips...

By the time WVU is making their full B12 share, all this will be water under the bridge...

As for the ACC, they've been making excuses to avoid WVU since the conference first formed. First it was the roads, then it was the fact that WVU isn't near the Atlantic coast, and the latest was academics. Frankly, if WVU does come back to a conference closer to Morgantown, I'd much prefer the SEC. The fact that most of WVU's old rivals are now in the ACC is of no consequence. The ACC can stick it. They're small potatoes compared to the other major conferences...

We have a writer trying to sensationalize this news to gain readers, which worked, since everyone here has read it. Now all of WVU's detractors are saying it's the end of the world for the Mountaineers. It isn't. It's just a hiccup on the road of life...

I am WVU neutral. I am not a WVU detractor nor am I a fan.

I just posted the financial article because I felt it sort of tied in with Luck's attempts to get some relief for the travel budget.

(02-25-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The Nbe posters never let me down. While they invited Boise and had a conference from Conneticut to California and did not find fault with that, as they were going to be a "national" conference, now Nbe find all kinds of fault of WVA in B12.

ACC's stupidity is B12's gain....and, eventually, B12 may prove the best home for WVA once ACC gets plucked by B1G and SEC.

What NBE posters. WVU to the B12 was the best thing for them at the time. Can't blame them. Who is finding fault with that. There is just general questions being asked about their finances. (Which WVU acknowledges are a challenge). Why do you make this about the NBE. Has nothing to do with NBE.

Travel got to be awful + not having any rivals. OF course, WVU is closer to Texas tech than U of arizona is to U of washington miles wise. I think the bigger issue is not having any rivals though which i guess is related to distance. What can wvu do? not much other than hope the big 12 raids the acc and forms an eastern division or join the acc or sec if ever invited.

(02-25-2013 09:58 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:43 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:36 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Hillbilly Island isn't going to get any better I'm afraid. Texas has no intention of adding teams to the Big 12 and if they did they're not getting anybody from the Big 10, Pac 12, ACC, or SEC despite what WVU's fans and "insiders" think, and the TV networks aren't going to pay for Cincinnati and South Florida and Boise State without cutting into everyone else's payout. With WVU's fans infesting the boards of every ACC school the consensus is that nobody in their right mind wants into the Big 12 unless it's a last resort, and even if it comes to that I'm sure most schools would rather suffer as an independent for a few seasons before throwing in their lot with the GoR 12. So unless the ACC implodes (which is far from likely despite what you've been led to belive by mhveer and The Dude) it isn't going to get any better for the hill people.

Oliver Luck is one of the stupidest ADs in the world right now. He has his department running in the red thanks to desperately wanting to get out of the Big East a year early to make its infamous "title run" in the Big 12. If WVU was in the Big East this year they would've competed for a BCS game instead of getting blown to pieces in the freezing cold weather against a team from the conference they thought they were superior to. Had he been less willing to deal with the devil a year and a half ago his school would be headed to its dream conference in 2014 and Louisville would have these problems. Instead he has to fly his teams over 1500 miles round trip for every single conference away game before making a pathetic plea to Deloss Dodds to cut the poor players some slack for paying for his stupidity. D'oh!

What's ironic is that WVU fans take every opportunity to brag about how rock solid the Big 12 is with the GoR when they probably would've been invited to the ACC after Maryland left had the Big 12 not had it in place. Gee I sure hope half of an overvalued TV deal is worth it Ollie! Thanks for indirectly getting Louisville into the ACC, big guy! You're the best! Keep up the good work!

People at WVU don't think the GOR is rock solid... take it fwiw.

Now that is an interesting piece of info.

OGB...that is interesting to say the least!

GoCards...a bit harsh...we tried like hell to get out as well.

(02-25-2013 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The Nbe posters never let me down. While they invited Boise and had a conference from Conneticut to California and did not find fault with that, as they were going to be a "national" conference, now Nbe find all kinds of fault of WVA in B12.

ACC's stupidity is B12's gain....and, eventually, B12 may prove the best home for WVA once ACC gets plucked by B1G and SEC.

What NBE posters. WVU to the B12 was the best thing for them at the time. Can't blame them. Who is finding fault with that. There is just general questions being asked about their finances. (Which WVU acknowledges are a challenge). Why do you make this about the NBE. Has nothing to do with NBE.

At the time can't blame WVU @ all...for UofL to rip them for it would be very hyprocritical...hell we had a the United States Senate Minority Leader try'n to get us in the Big XII during that time period.

(02-25-2013 10:27 AM)EerMeNow Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:03 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 07:56 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  After watching the 13-13 WVU Mountaineers lose to Oklahoma State at home, one has to wonder what is going on. ESPN reported that the school travel 32K miles to date for basketball games. The costs are mounting. Also, after talking with two WVU supporters, both are concerned that football will fall off dramatically this year. It could be a long, long year in 2013 for WVU. So the realignment question returns, was this best for WVU?

People say things like this all the time but really, what alternative did WVU have? Their only alternative would have been to stay in the Aresco League and hope for the best. How's that strategy working out for Cincinnati?

Look, WVU would obviously rather be in the ACC playing against all of their former rivals as well as some of their aspirational rivals. Some of their fans deny that fact but who are they kidding?

Why do you think almost all of these rumors about the demise of the ACC/Pitt pop up out of the Mountain State? This is DEFINITELY psycho ex-girlfriend bullschitt and anyone who doesn't see that simply doesn't want to see it.

It is not remotely coincidental that in almost all of these rumors, Pitt and the ACC - WVU's two arch enemies - end up dead in a ditch somewhere along the side of the road while WVU and the B12 end up profiting beyond their wildest dreams. That's how most folk stories go.

With that in mind, the rumor part has never surprised me. Their motives are incredibly transparent. What has long surprised me is that people are gullible enough to continue to buy into them? Again though, the people who seem to push them the hardest tend to be those with the largest ax to grind and/or the most to gain. College athletics is a lot like most other forms of politics in that way.

The shame of it from my standpoint is that with Maryland going to the B1G, had WVU waited a year - or if the timing had been better - they, not Louisville, would almost certainly be in the ACC.

Unfortunately, it didn't work out so now they're in a league in which they are the clear outlier both geographically and culturally. However, in fairness, I should also point out that they were something of a cultural outlier in the Big East too so they're relatively used to it. Trust me when I tell you that as someone who has lived all over the country - including West Virginia - that state is unlike any other I have ever encountered. As such, they would be a cultural outlier in any league - even the SEC.

Still, I continue to come back to the question, what other choice did the Mountaineer brass have but to accept the B12's offer for league membership? Had they turned that down, they would have been destroyed by everyone and their leadership all would have been forced to resign.

To me, the real killer for WVU was the B12's decision to not expand. That hesitation allowed the ACC to snatch up Louisville after that league lost Maryland. That basically took away WVU's last best chance at having a legitimate competitive/geographic rivalry within their new league. Now, the ACC almost has to crumble or they are completely hosed and they know it. So, in other words I guess what I'm saying is prepare for more rumors coming out of By Gawd that all center around the imminent demise of the ACC and Pitt. That's because if the ACC survives in or near its current state, WVU will become marginalized.

This stuff is not exactly rocket science.

I have tried to steer clear of the WVU/Pitt banter on this board because I sometimes feel like I am dealing with Russell Crowe's character in his shed at the end of "Beautiful Mind" , but this post is classic:


1. There are people who still actually contend that all of the rumors about the ACC getting raided are coming from West Virginia? I am not sure if this demonstrates blind hatred or simply complete denial.....perhaps both? These "rumors" have been perpetuated by SEVERAL Big 10 Presidents and ADS......but it is WVU fans who spin the rumors to their favor?


2. This is going to probably break your spirits, but "the dude" is talked about more on this board and the B12/WVU scout board than anywhere else that I have seen. Most WVU fans that I know have never heard of him or think he is FOS. This information is probably going to kill your narrative (it will actually probably be ignored since it does not fit your narrative), but those windmills look pretty dangerous out there so fighting them off might still be prudent.



3. Your football program played its third bowl game in a row in Birmingham and continues to play its Spring Games at High School football stadiums. I am not sure you are in much of a position to talk about which schools might be marginalized. Has Pitt football done ANYTHING relevant in since the early 1980s other than play spoiler to WVU on a really bad night? Sure we had a disappointing football and basketball season, but we also won a BCS bowl and an away game at Texas in front of 100,000 fans in 2012. We just brought in the highest rated recruiting class since Rivals started tracking this process. We are going to have possibly 2 first round picks for the first time that I can ever remember. Who has been the most marginalized football program in the country over the past 30 years? I guess the domestic steel industry could make a comeback someday soon too.....

I thought the B12 would do that for WVA.

(02-25-2013 10:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The Nbe posters never let me down. While they invited Boise and had a conference from Conneticut to California and did not find fault with that, as they were going to be a "national" conference, now Nbe find all kinds of fault of WVA in B12.

ACC's stupidity is B12's gain....and, eventually, B12 may prove the best home for WVA once ACC gets plucked by B1G and SEC.

What NBE posters. WVU to the B12 was the best thing for them at the time. Can't blame them. Who is finding fault with that. There is just general questions being asked about their finances. (Which WVU acknowledges are a challenge). Why do you make this about the NBE. Has nothing to do with NBE.

Post starting this thread is Nbe guy.

(02-25-2013 10:59 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:58 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:43 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:36 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Hillbilly Island isn't going to get any better I'm afraid. Texas has no intention of adding teams to the Big 12 and if they did they're not getting anybody from the Big 10, Pac 12, ACC, or SEC despite what WVU's fans and "insiders" think, and the TV networks aren't going to pay for Cincinnati and South Florida and Boise State without cutting into everyone else's payout. With WVU's fans infesting the boards of every ACC school the consensus is that nobody in their right mind wants into the Big 12 unless it's a last resort, and even if it comes to that I'm sure most schools would rather suffer as an independent for a few seasons before throwing in their lot with the GoR 12. So unless the ACC implodes (which is far from likely despite what you've been led to belive by mhveer and The Dude) it isn't going to get any better for the hill people.

Oliver Luck is one of the stupidest ADs in the world right now. He has his department running in the red thanks to desperately wanting to get out of the Big East a year early to make its infamous "title run" in the Big 12. If WVU was in the Big East this year they would've competed for a BCS game instead of getting blown to pieces in the freezing cold weather against a team from the conference they thought they were superior to. Had he been less willing to deal with the devil a year and a half ago his school would be headed to its dream conference in 2014 and Louisville would have these problems. Instead he has to fly his teams over 1500 miles round trip for every single conference away game before making a pathetic plea to Deloss Dodds to cut the poor players some slack for paying for his stupidity. D'oh!

What's ironic is that WVU fans take every opportunity to brag about how rock solid the Big 12 is with the GoR when they probably would've been invited to the ACC after Maryland left had the Big 12 not had it in place. Gee I sure hope half of an overvalued TV deal is worth it Ollie! Thanks for indirectly getting Louisville into the ACC, big guy! You're the best! Keep up the good work!

People at WVU don't think the GOR is rock solid... take it fwiw.

Now that is an interesting piece of info.

OGB...that is interesting to say the least!

GoCards...a bit harsh...we tried like hell to get out as well.

I was a little surprised and disappointed when I heard it too. There are people at WVU who believe it's less binding than a exit fee and others who believe it is more binding but very few think it's iron clad...at least in WVU's AD.

Frankly, the ACC would be smart to add West Virginia and Cincinnati.

IF the GOR isn't that solid, why doesn't the acc just invite WVU to get to 16?

pod 1: UVA, VTech, UNC, DUke

pod 2: NC state, Wake, pitt, wvu

pod 3: BC, Cuse, ND, Lville

pod 4: clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami

It would be a nice slap down of the big 12 and probably snuff them out of ever picking off acc school's + bring in a football school. ACC would just need to find a football only school to pair with ND, navy or byu would work. As for the big 12, if wvu showed the GOR is meaningless, you could see the pac 12 and big 10 go in for the kill shot. Or if big 12 defies Humpty Dumpty via ken starr's lawyers they could just look to add one school, could go east with usf, uconn, cincy or look west to byu, col state, new mexico. I could see the big 12 last a few years but they clearly would be a marked target post wvu leaving. Seems like an easy move for the acc to make to established themselves higher on the food chain and be one of the final four leagues.

(02-25-2013 09:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The Nbe posters never let me down. While they invited Boise and had a conference from Conneticut to California and did not find fault with that, as they were going to be a "national" conference, now Nbe find all kinds of fault of WVA in B12.

ACC's stupidity is B12's gain....and, eventually, B12 may prove the best home for WVA once ACC gets plucked by B1G and SEC.

1. What are you talking about....no BIG EAST poster really in this thread.

2. UNC, Duke & Georgia Tech have already turned down the B1G/SEC...all 3 have/had offers from those 2 leagues & FSU/Clemson said no to the Big XII. Even Frank the Tank said in one of his latest blogs that UNC will be a very tough nut to crack to move them out of the ACC...they don't move I doubt anyone moves.

Big XII schools like Texas Tech/Kansas State better hope Dodds doesn't get that itch again...doubtful that UT moves but they like to stir the pot for their gain

Just curious....how is it that you know for sure that UNC, Duke, and Georgia Tech have turned down the Big and the SEC.......and that FSU and Clemson said no to the Big12?

I'm holding out hope that WVU eventually becomes a member of the SEC.

(02-25-2013 11:36 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(02-25-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The Nbe posters never let me down. While they invited Boise and had a conference from Conneticut to California and did not find fault with that, as they were going to be a "national" conference, now Nbe find all kinds of fault of WVA in B12.

ACC's stupidity is B12's gain....and, eventually, B12 may prove the best home for WVA once ACC gets plucked by B1G and SEC.

1. What are you talking about....no BIG EAST poster really in this thread.

2. UNC, Duke & Georgia Tech have already turned down the B1G/SEC...all 3 have/had offers from those 2 leagues & FSU/Clemson said no to the Big XII. Even Frank the Tank said in one of his latest blogs that UNC will be a very tough nut to crack to move them out of the ACC...they don't move I doubt anyone moves.

Big XII schools like Texas Tech/Kansas State better hope Dodds doesn't get that itch again...doubtful that UT moves but they like to stir the pot for their gain

Just curious....how is it that you know (and apparently no one else does) that UNC, Duke, and Georgia Tech have turned down the Big and the SEC.......and that FSU and Clemson said no to the Big12?

1. It has been reported in print-(TSN) that the SEC has courted Duke/UNC.
2. Been reported as well before they added Maryland & Rutgers that the B1G also contacted UVa, UNC & Georgia Tech.

Now think about especially with the B1G...Before you go to Maryland & Rutgers you would think u would look hard @ UVa, Georgia Tech & especially UNC.

(02-25-2013 11:33 AM)bluesox Wrote:  IF the GOR isn't that solid, why doesn't the acc just invite WVU to get to 16?

pod 1: UVA, VTech, UNC, DUke

pod 2: NC state, Wake, pitt, wvu

pod 3: BC, Cuse, ND, Lville

pod 4: clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami

It would be a nice slap down of the big 12 and probably snuff them out of ever picking off acc school's + bring in a football school. ACC would just need to find a football only school to pair with ND, navy or byu would work. As for the big 12, if wvu showed the GOR is meaningless, you could see the pac 12 and big 10 go in for the kill shot. Or if big 12 defies Humpty Dumpty via ken starr's lawyers they could just look to add one school, could go east with usf, uconn, cincy or look west to byu, col state, new mexico. I could see the big 12 last a few years but they clearly would be a marked target post wvu leaving. Seems like an easy move for the acc to make to established themselves higher on the food chain and be one of the final four leagues.

My guess is that WVU just doesn't have the money to leave another conference. That and everyone in the Big 12 is happy...for now. I could see the issue being pushed in 5-10 years if the Big 12 doesn't add eastern teams