(02-26-2013 03:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:19 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:56 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This thread is a joke.

Go to the ESPN website right now and you will find a Big East blog that will remain there. Go to rivals recruiting it says Big East. Go to any major college football website and you will find the Big East.

They will have the same problems the Sun Belt has if they get a new name. Getting a new name in basketball isn't really that big of a difference and the C7 league does not even have a Big East feel anymore. Yes there are Eastern teams but when I think Big East basketball I think of Cuse, Pitt, and UConn.

You're right; Tulane, ECU, SMU and UCF scream "Big East"! hahahaha

Im sure no one thinks of Georgetown and Villanova at all.

In my opinion neither conference screams Big East anymore. But ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF are the ones joining the Big East not leaving it.

The catholic schools want to have their cake and eat it too. No matter how much people try and twist this proposal this is what your really trying to do.

1. You invited teams to join a conference and they accepted.
2. You got upset because other teams left
3. You announced that you were leaving the conference
4. You turn around and want to retain the conference name while (leaving)
5. Your pretty much hoping to un invite all of the football playing members but you have no way to.
6. Your telling them to make a new conference and all of the difficulties involved.

The reason the Big East members (Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple) and future members will never let this fly is because your asking them to take all of the risks.

This is an excellent post. As much as the C7 fans try to tear it down with more elitist retorts, we all know this is the reality. Fortunately for everyone, they and us have NOTHING to do with the negotiations or the legalities of it all. Dictating demands and terms is irrelevant by posters on a message board.

(02-26-2013 10:07 AM)Bones N Skulls Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:19 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:56 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This thread is a joke.

Go to the ESPN website right now and you will find a Big East blog that will remain there. Go to rivals recruiting it says Big East. Go to any major college football website and you will find the Big East.

They will have the same problems the Sun Belt has if they get a new name. Getting a new name in basketball isn't really that big of a difference and the C7 league does not even have a Big East feel anymore. Yes there are Eastern teams but when I think Big East basketball I think of Cuse, Pitt, and UConn.

You're right; Tulane, ECU, SMU and UCF scream "Big East"! hahahaha

Im sure no one thinks of Georgetown and Villanova at all.

In my opinion neither conference screams Big East anymore. But ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF are the ones joining the Big East not leaving it.

The catholic schools want to have their cake and eat it too. No matter how much people try and twist this proposal this is what your really trying to do.

1. You invited teams to join a conference and they accepted.
2. You got upset because other teams left
3. You announced that you were leaving the conference
4. You turn around and want to retain the conference name while (leaving)
5. Your pretty much hoping to un invite all of the football playing members but you have no way to.
6. Your telling them to make a new conference and all of the difficulties involved.

The reason the Big East members (Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple) and future members will never let this fly is because your asking them to take all of the risks.

This is an excellent post. As much as the C7 fans try to tear it down with more elitist retorts, we all know this is the reality. Fortunately for everyone, they and us have NOTHING to do with the negotiations or the legalities of it all. Dictating demands and terms is irrelevant by posters on a message board.

Word.

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:57 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:04 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 07:49 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  That's only because you don't know or care about basketball.

I've watched basketball my entire life. Grew up in the heart of ACC land and saw LOTS of Big East basketball. I'm sorry, but IMO the Trojan is right on this point.

So how exactly is a new name in basketball trivial, but a new name in football is crushing?

I was only debating your tangent

You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...

lmao

The overall remaining collection would scream

(02-26-2013 10:07 AM)Bones N Skulls Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:19 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:56 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This thread is a joke.

Go to the ESPN website right now and you will find a Big East blog that will remain there. Go to rivals recruiting it says Big East. Go to any major college football website and you will find the Big East.

They will have the same problems the Sun Belt has if they get a new name. Getting a new name in basketball isn't really that big of a difference and the C7 league does not even have a Big East feel anymore. Yes there are Eastern teams but when I think Big East basketball I think of Cuse, Pitt, and UConn.

You're right; Tulane, ECU, SMU and UCF scream "Big East"! hahahaha

Im sure no one thinks of Georgetown and Villanova at all.

In my opinion neither conference screams Big East anymore. But ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF are the ones joining the Big East not leaving it.

The catholic schools want to have their cake and eat it too. No matter how much people try and twist this proposal this is what your really trying to do.

1. You invited teams to join a conference and they accepted.
2. You got upset because other teams left
3. You announced that you were leaving the conference
4. You turn around and want to retain the conference name while (leaving)
5. Your pretty much hoping to un invite all of the football playing members but you have no way to.
6. Your telling them to make a new conference and all of the difficulties involved.

The reason the Big East members (Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple) and future members will never let this fly is because your asking them to take all of the risks.

This is an excellent post. As much as the C7 fans try to tear it down with more elitist retorts, we all know this is the reality. Fortunately for everyone, they and us have NOTHING to do with the negotiations or the legalities of it all. Dictating demands and terms is irrelevant by posters on a message board.

Totally disagree. Not valid at all.

The C7 are not leaving. They are splitting. There is a big, big difference. There is a provision specifically for this action and it was agreed to by the entire membership. The pre-nup provided for splitting the assets, one of which is the name.

The last 3 points have no merit.

4. No one knows if they want to retain the conference name. That's rumor and reports from "sources." No public statements about this at all.

5. There has been absolutely no indication that the C7 wants to invite football playing members. Every statement they've made has been to the contrary and this hasn't even been rumored.

6. Never once have the C7 told the nBE to form a new conference. Even if the name were t change, that wouldn't change the fact that the conference structure, the offices, adminsitration, bylaws , and affiliations all remain the same. A conference has the right to change its name any time it wants to, and historically this has been done before. A name chamge doesn't make it a new conference.

Your sarcastic reference to "elitist" comments are insulting and hostile. Why not just cool the rhetoric and have an intelligent conversation?

(02-26-2013 10:29 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...

lmao

The overall remaining collection would scream

Except that the vast majority of them have never been in the Atlantic Ten and some have only been there for only one year. It may scream Atlantic Ten to you but not to any knowledgeable college basketball fan.

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:57 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:04 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I've watched basketball my entire life. Grew up in the heart of ACC land and saw LOTS of Big East basketball. I'm sorry, but IMO the Trojan is right on this point.

So how exactly is a new name in basketball trivial, but a new name in football is crushing?

I was only debating your tangent

You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

(02-26-2013 10:58 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:07 AM)Bones N Skulls Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:19 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:56 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This thread is a joke.

Go to the ESPN website right now and you will find a Big East blog that will remain there. Go to rivals recruiting it says Big East. Go to any major college football website and you will find the Big East.

They will have the same problems the Sun Belt has if they get a new name. Getting a new name in basketball isn't really that big of a difference and the C7 league does not even have a Big East feel anymore. Yes there are Eastern teams but when I think Big East basketball I think of Cuse, Pitt, and UConn.

You're right; Tulane, ECU, SMU and UCF scream "Big East"! hahahaha

Im sure no one thinks of Georgetown and Villanova at all.

In my opinion neither conference screams Big East anymore. But ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF are the ones joining the Big East not leaving it.

The catholic schools want to have their cake and eat it too. No matter how much people try and twist this proposal this is what your really trying to do.

1. You invited teams to join a conference and they accepted.
2. You got upset because other teams left
3. You announced that you were leaving the conference
4. You turn around and want to retain the conference name while (leaving)
5. Your pretty much hoping to un invite all of the football playing members but you have no way to.
6. Your telling them to make a new conference and all of the difficulties involved.

The reason the Big East members (Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple) and future members will never let this fly is because your asking them to take all of the risks.

This is an excellent post. As much as the C7 fans try to tear it down with more elitist retorts, we all know this is the reality. Fortunately for everyone, they and us have NOTHING to do with the negotiations or the legalities of it all. Dictating demands and terms is irrelevant by posters on a message board.

Totally disagree. Not valid at all.

The C7 are not leaving. They are splitting. There is a big, big difference. There is a provision specifically for this action and it was agreed to by the entire membership. The pre-nup provided for splitting the assets, one of which is the name.
The last 3 points have no merit.

4. No one knows if they want to retain the conference name. That's rumor and reports from "sources." No public statements about this at all.

5. There has been absolutely no indication that the C7 wants to invite football playing members. Every statement they've made has been to the contrary and this hasn't even been rumored.

6. Never once have the C7 told the nBE to form a new conference. Even if the name were t change, that wouldn't change the fact that the conference structure, the offices, adminsitration, bylaws , and affiliations all remain the same. A conference has the right to change its name any time it wants to, and historically this has been done before. A name chamge doesn't make it a new conference.

Your sarcastic reference to "elitist" comments are insulting and hostile. Why not just cool the rhetoric and have an intelligent conversation?

Actually, the C-7 are leaving. Otherwise, the C-7 would have been in violation of the exclusive negotiating period in the ESPN contract by having contract with any network outside of ESPN and they would also be subject to the right to match by ESPN. They have to leave the conference to be seperated from thier rightful obligations under the contracts with ESPN and CBS that they signed. They cant have it both ways. They are leaving, but they get a split of the assets.

(02-26-2013 10:29 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...

lmao

The overall remaining collection would scream

And this is whats the nBE screams.

(02-26-2013 11:08 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:29 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...

lmao

The overall remaining collection would scream

And this is whats the nBE screams.

I don't disagree with that. If anything...you've agreed with my point.

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:57 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  So how exactly is a new name in basketball trivial, but a new name in football is crushing?

I was only debating your tangent

You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

(02-26-2013 11:19 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:57 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I was only debating your tangent

You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

So ECU, SMU, Houston and Tulane scream Big East more than Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's?

(02-26-2013 11:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:58 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:07 AM)Bones N Skulls Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:19 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  You're right; Tulane, ECU, SMU and UCF scream "Big East"! hahahaha

Im sure no one thinks of Georgetown and Villanova at all.

In my opinion neither conference screams Big East anymore. But ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF are the ones joining the Big East not leaving it.

The catholic schools want to have their cake and eat it too. No matter how much people try and twist this proposal this is what your really trying to do.

1. You invited teams to join a conference and they accepted.
2. You got upset because other teams left
3. You announced that you were leaving the conference
4. You turn around and want to retain the conference name while (leaving)
5. Your pretty much hoping to un invite all of the football playing members but you have no way to.
6. Your telling them to make a new conference and all of the difficulties involved.

The reason the Big East members (Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple) and future members will never let this fly is because your asking them to take all of the risks.

This is an excellent post. As much as the C7 fans try to tear it down with more elitist retorts, we all know this is the reality. Fortunately for everyone, they and us have NOTHING to do with the negotiations or the legalities of it all. Dictating demands and terms is irrelevant by posters on a message board.

Totally disagree. Not valid at all.

The C7 are not leaving. They are splitting. There is a big, big difference. There is a provision specifically for this action and it was agreed to by the entire membership. The pre-nup provided for splitting the assets, one of which is the name.
The last 3 points have no merit.

4. No one knows if they want to retain the conference name. That's rumor and reports from "sources." No public statements about this at all.

5. There has been absolutely no indication that the C7 wants to invite football playing members. Every statement they've made has been to the contrary and this hasn't even been rumored.

6. Never once have the C7 told the nBE to form a new conference. Even if the name were t change, that wouldn't change the fact that the conference structure, the offices, adminsitration, bylaws , and affiliations all remain the same. A conference has the right to change its name any time it wants to, and historically this has been done before. A name chamge doesn't make it a new conference.

Your sarcastic reference to "elitist" comments are insulting and hostile. Why not just cool the rhetoric and have an intelligent conversation?

Actually, the C-7 are leaving. Otherwise, the C-7 would have been in violation of the exclusive negotiating period in the ESPN contract by having contract with any network outside of ESPN and they would also be subject to the right to match by ESPN. They have to leave the conference to be seperated from thier rightful obligations under the contracts with ESPN and CBS that they signed. They cant have it both ways. They are leaving, but they get a split of the assets.

In a sense but we are splitting not bailing like WVU, Rutgers or Cuse. We have more claim than others since we got our in writing.

(02-26-2013 11:19 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 08:57 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I was only debating your tangent

You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

Talking about living in a bubble. Geez

People think BBall when they think Big East, turning on a Big East game and seeing 2 ranked teams they actually heard of playing will feel right to them.

(02-26-2013 11:39 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:19 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

Talking about living in a bubble. Geez

People think BBall when they think Big East, turning on a Big East game and seeing 2 ranked teams they actually heard of playing will feel right to them.

Being ranked doesn't in any way equate to when fans will say..."see now, that's the Big East!" If taken the way you inferred, fans would still see Syracuse and Pitt as a Big East game. Same with Cincy and UCONN. IMO, it just doesn't work that way. Fans may feel weird at first with those teams playing in other conferences but I highly doubt they see any one of the three conferences as a true representation of the Big East.

(02-26-2013 11:45 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:39 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:19 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

Talking about living in a bubble. Geez

People think BBall when they think Big East, turning on a Big East game and seeing 2 ranked teams they actually heard of playing will feel right to them.

Being ranked doesn't in any way equate to when fans will say..."see now, that's the Big East!" If taken the way you inferred, fans would still see Syracuse and Pitt as a Big East game. Same with Cincy and UCONN. IMO, it just doesn't work that way. Fans may feel weird at first with those teams playing in other conferences but I highly doubt they see any one of the three conferences as a true representation of the Big East.

I disagree with you. A game with a ranked GTown vs a ranked Butler will scream Big East. A game between Temple and Memphis does not. Villanova/Xavier screams Big East. St. John's/St. Louis screams Big East. Marquette/Creighton screams Big East.

(02-26-2013 10:58 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:07 AM)Bones N Skulls Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 03:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 02:19 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 12:56 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  This thread is a joke.

Go to the ESPN website right now and you will find a Big East blog that will remain there. Go to rivals recruiting it says Big East. Go to any major college football website and you will find the Big East.

They will have the same problems the Sun Belt has if they get a new name. Getting a new name in basketball isn't really that big of a difference and the C7 league does not even have a Big East feel anymore. Yes there are Eastern teams but when I think Big East basketball I think of Cuse, Pitt, and UConn.

You're right; Tulane, ECU, SMU and UCF scream "Big East"! hahahaha

Im sure no one thinks of Georgetown and Villanova at all.

In my opinion neither conference screams Big East anymore. But ECU, Tulane, SMU, UCF are the ones joining the Big East not leaving it.

The catholic schools want to have their cake and eat it too. No matter how much people try and twist this proposal this is what your really trying to do.

1. You invited teams to join a conference and they accepted.
2. You got upset because other teams left
3. You announced that you were leaving the conference
4. You turn around and want to retain the conference name while (leaving)
5. Your pretty much hoping to un invite all of the football playing members but you have no way to.
6. Your telling them to make a new conference and all of the difficulties involved.

The reason the Big East members (Cincy, UConn, USF, Temple) and future members will never let this fly is because your asking them to take all of the risks.

This is an excellent post. As much as the C7 fans try to tear it down with more elitist retorts, we all know this is the reality. Fortunately for everyone, they and us have NOTHING to do with the negotiations or the legalities of it all. Dictating demands and terms is irrelevant by posters on a message board.

Totally disagree. Not valid at all.

The C7 are not leaving. They are splitting. There is a big, big difference. There is a provision specifically for this action and it was agreed to by the entire membership. The pre-nup provided for splitting the assets, one of which is the name.

The last 3 points have no merit.

4. No one knows if they want to retain the conference name. That's rumor and reports from "sources." No public statements about this at all.

5. There has been absolutely no indication that the C7 wants to invite football playing members. Every statement they've made has been to the contrary and this hasn't even been rumored.

6. Never once have the C7 told the nBE to form a new conference. Even if the name were t change, that wouldn't change the fact that the conference structure, the offices, adminsitration, bylaws , and affiliations all remain the same. A conference has the right to change its name any time it wants to, and historically this has been done before. A name chamge doesn't make it a new conference.

Your sarcastic reference to "elitist" comments are insulting and hostile. Why not just cool the rhetoric and have an intelligent conversation?

You confuse sarcasm and truth. C7 fans and in some regards the schools themselves have an elitist attitude. Please go back and scan the posts of the sideways comments about the value of the contract relating to the value of the incoming teams. You see no sarcasm or hostility? I find that insulting from my end. The schools themselves broke off to protect their RPI when the C7s own RPI is not any different from incoming schools save for the top two. I will call a spade a spade when I see it. I also tend to think my conversation has been intelligent and reasonable. Because my views differ from yours does not indicate a lack intelligence or merit.

(02-26-2013 11:21 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:19 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 10:22 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 09:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  You said Trojan was right. What did you mean, then?

I said IMO he was right on that one point.

While Georgetown and a couple of others scream Big East, the overall remaining collection does not...especially with the ACC losses. Not debating C7 vs. the football schools. Just that the C7 doesn't really "scream Big East" as it stands. Much less so with A10/CAA additions. I'm not debating any other point than that. Not who deserves it more. Not who will get it. I might actually agree with you overall. Doesn't change the fact that, IMO, the C7 really can't use the "we scream Big East" argument...because they don't.

How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

So ECU, SMU, Houston and Tulane scream Big East more than Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's?

You might want to reread the entire above thread you posted to. It has your answer. Nothing I said was in relation to that.

You're taking it too far here, Redman.

(02-26-2013 12:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I disagree with you. A game with a ranked GTown vs a ranked Butler will scream Big East.

Agreed.

Quote: A game between Temple and Memphis does not.

It doesn't scream Big East, but it wouldn't have been out of place at all.

[quote]Villanova/Xavier screams Big East.

Agreed.

Quote: St. John's/St. Louis screams Big East.

No. Saint Louis hasn't done anything, doesn't have any kind of national profile. St John's-SLU is a halfway Big East game until Saint Louis does something notable, or until some time passes with SLU playing us.

Quote:Marquette/Creighton screams Big East.

Yes. And even Saint Louis-Dayton is way more Big East than SMU-ECU.

(02-26-2013 12:06 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:45 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:39 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:19 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(02-26-2013 11:02 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  How do 7 schools coming out of the Big East not scream Big East?

If you want to live in that bubble, go right ahead. But, IMO, most of the world associated the Big East with certain names...not all of them...and those names together in one collection. With the overwhelming majority of those "name" teams broken away from each other (either ACC, C7 or football side), neither the ACC group, the C7 group nor the football schools scream Big East. It doesn't matter what "knowledgeable" fans think. The bulk of whom the sports world caters to is the casual fan. To them, the Big East (as they knew it) no longer exists.

Talking about living in a bubble. Geez

People think BBall when they think Big East, turning on a Big East game and seeing 2 ranked teams they actually heard of playing will feel right to them.

Being ranked doesn't in any way equate to when fans will say..."see now, that's the Big East!" If taken the way you inferred, fans would still see Syracuse and Pitt as a Big East game. Same with Cincy and UCONN. IMO, it just doesn't work that way. Fans may feel weird at first with those teams playing in other conferences but I highly doubt they see any one of the three conferences as a true representation of the Big East.

I disagree with you. A game with a ranked GTown vs a ranked Butler will scream Big East. A game between Temple and Memphis does not. Villanova/Xavier screams Big East. St. John's/St. Louis screams Big East. Marquette/Creighton screams Big East.

Well, since they are only opinions. We can agree disagree. You are actually trying to force a comparison between the two conferences. That isn't my point. The C7 + additions are seen as "screaming Big East" period. That was my point/opinion. There may be a few games here or that that do...but not as a whole. It isn't about comparing the C7 to the football schools.

Breaking it down individually doesn't do much good as I'm referring to the conference as a whole. But even an individual break down doesn't really cement home "this is the Big East!" Pair former members against each other...doesn't matter. IMO, people still don't see it the same way they used to.

Quote:A game with a ranked GTown vs a ranked Butler will scream Big East. A game between Temple and Memphis does not.

Yeah, if you want to pick it that way. IMO, UCONN vs. Memphis screams just as much Big East as Georgetown vs. Butler...which isn't a lot, if at all.

Quote:Villanova/Xavier screams Big East.

Not to me. Not sure how it does to anyone else.

Quote: St. John's/St. Louis screams Big East.

Not to me. Not sure how it does to anyone else.

Quote:Marquette/Creighton screams Big East.

Seriously, not to me. Not sure how it does to anyone else.