(02-27-2013 08:26 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:21 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  This is stupid and I doubt it happens.

Why is it stupid?

What I meant is that JSU doesn't have the political pull to do it.

Here's an idea, though : figure out a way to get USM involved/on board. Then, you're pitting south vs. north and two universities vs. the other two.

They could call it something like the "Jackson State Eagledome."

(02-27-2013 03:56 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 03:11 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  . Jackson State could host a MEAC/CIAA/SIAC/Tennessee State and make it an event, or they could be a neutral site for two teams.

Maybe Charlotte can chip in some money so we can get that **** out of our city. Everyone hates the CIAA tournament in Charlotte except the city. Hotels, restaurants, uptown workers, employees of bars and restaurants in uptown....all dread CIAA week.

I used to have some friends that worked in uptown bars and restaurants and they'd request that week off a year in advance. Many of the large companies in uptown will let their workers out early too so they can avoid the madness.

Yesterday was night 1 and we already have a memorable YouTube video:

Youtube already took the video down.............lol!

I have lots of friends that work in the service industry. From bartenders and waitresses all the way to hotel management, they all dread this week. Some folks from CIAA have formed a class action lawsuit against hotels in Charlotte for overcharging them during the tournament.............lol.

(02-27-2013 07:35 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  They may also see a need for a facility where they can practice indoors as well so this would fulfill both needs.

NIUs indoor practice field is being built now for 9.5mil.

NIU basketball arena seating a little over 9k was 36mil in 2002.

Akron's 30,000 football stadium with a large pressbox/suite/club seating was around 60mil in 2008.

Adding that up I get 105.5mil. A roof and 20k more seats are not worth 94.5mil...75mil of which would be from the tax payers.

How about the tax payers say no to the 75mil public funds and that would leave the school with 19.5mil in their budget. Putting a roof over a 30k stadium for 19.5mil might be a better idea...if it were at NIU...but down South???

Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

(02-28-2013 12:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

Is that true about their state flag, or are you just speculating?

If the NCAA has actually said that, MS should sue them. "We don't like your flag so you don't get to have a bowl game" doesn't seem like it would hold up in court.

(02-28-2013 01:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 12:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

Is that true about their state flag, or are you just speculating?

If the NCAA has actually said that, MS should sue them. "We don't like your flag so you don't get to have a bowl game" doesn't seem like it would hold up in court.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...ssue_x.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...flag_x.htm

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=4316170

What's the basis of the suit?

They are a private association and can establish their criteria for post-season hosting. Violating the association's policy on racism is loser court case as North Dakota learned the hard way.

(02-28-2013 01:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 01:05 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 12:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

Is that true about their state flag, or are you just speculating?

If the NCAA has actually said that, MS should sue them. "We don't like your flag so you don't get to have a bowl game" doesn't seem like it would hold up in court.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...ssue_x.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...flag_x.htm

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=4316170

What's the basis of the suit?

They are a private association and can establish their criteria for post-season hosting. Violating the association's policy on racism is loser court case as North Dakota learned the hard way.

The flag withstood a public referendum, and did so by a resounding majority. Penalizing a group of people because you perceive them to have voted wrong is just fundamentally undemocratic. I do suspect that you are correct on one big thing: if the NCAA is really able to portray itself as just some free, private association, then they can do whatever they want. That is the supposition that MS would have to attack.

Like I said. North Dakota tried and failed over the mascot issue. Threw a couple million down the toliet to enrich the lawyers.

(02-28-2013 12:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

Jackson is about the same size as Springfield, right?

(02-28-2013 12:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

No way that Ole Miss or Miss. State move games there. For a long time Veterans Memorial made sense for all the teams to move games because game day revenue was overwhlemingly driven by attendance and Veterans was just the biggest stadium in the state.

Now Ole Miss and Miss. State would have larger stadiums than a 50,000 seat Jackson Dome. And that doesn't even take into account the changed economics from selling luxury boxes which make home games that much more valuable. Throw in the fact that you can't take recruits to a neutral site game and this becomes a non-starter.

For USM it would be a larger stadium, but you would have the same luxury box concerns. I could potentially see Jackson offering financial incentives that would make it make sense for USM to move a game (ala the Nebraska game move this year) or there could be an opponent that USM schedules who demands it (USM signed a home-and-home with Tex. A&M back in the 80s and TAMU required that USM's home game be played in Jackson).

And anyone who calls it the Big 2 in Mississippi has obviously never lived there. As much as Ole Miss and Miss State look down on USM, I have never even heard of that.

The state flag issue is also real. I am one of the few who has had the honor of living both in Mississippi with its state flag issue and Grand Forks, ND with its Fighting Souix issue. Similar mindset in both places, but I think UND should have proven to Mississippi that it isn't worth fighting.

Though in reality, it is a bigger issue for UND and was probably more worth the fight. It prevents them from hosting NCAA Hockey tournament rounds, which is a shame because they really have about the nicest arena you could ever hope to see.

Mississippi hasn't had a realistic hope of hosting a Bowl or NCAA Basketball game in the last twenty years. And the NCAA has an exception for tournaments played at participant sites -- like baseball. So Mississippi gets an exception for NCAA baseball games, which is the sport in which all of the Big 3 host NCAA games, but North Dakota gets denied its big sport.

About 25% larger metro than Springfield.

(02-28-2013 10:52 PM)Duke Eagle Wrote:  

(02-28-2013 12:25 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Jackson has a nice convention center but there are conventions and trade shows that Jackson currently cannot compete for based on available floor space that would become open for bid with a multipurpose dome. It would give Jackson a nice advantage over other regional cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Shreveport, Birmingham, Biloxi/Gulfport, Mobile in that space.

I have my doubts that Jackson has the hotel space at the level required though to win a lot of those bids.

It would work as a bowl site (some combination of Sun Belt/CUSA/Big East) except for the fact that the NCAA won't certify a bowl in Mississippi due to the state flag.

If the hotel space at the appropriate level were available (Little Rock barely met the criteria) it could be an NCAA first round site, but for the state flag issue.

Presumably Jackson State would rent it out for other classics and try to convince USM, Miss St, Ole Miss to move games there but opening the doors of a dome isn't cheap so without local sponsorships that isn't likely viable.

No way that Ole Miss or Miss. State move games there. For a long time Veterans Memorial made sense for all the teams to move games because game day revenue was overwhlemingly driven by attendance and Veterans was just the biggest stadium in the state.

Now Ole Miss and Miss. State would have larger stadiums than a 50,000 seat Jackson Dome. And that doesn't even take into account the changed economics from selling luxury boxes which make home games that much more valuable. Throw in the fact that you can't take recruits to a neutral site game and this becomes a non-starter.

For USM it would be a larger stadium, but you would have the same luxury box concerns. I could potentially see Jackson offering financial incentives that would make it make sense for USM to move a game (ala the Nebraska game move this year) or there could be an opponent that USM schedules who demands it (USM signed a home-and-home with Tex. A&M back in the 80s and TAMU required that USM's home game be played in Jackson).

And anyone who calls it the Big 2 in Mississippi has obviously never lived there. As much as Ole Miss and Miss State look down on USM, I have never even heard of that.

The state flag issue is also real. I am one of the few who has had the honor of living both in Mississippi with its state flag issue and Grand Forks, ND with its Fighting Souix issue. Similar mindset in both places, but I think UND should have proven to Mississippi that it isn't worth fighting.

Though in reality, it is a bigger issue for UND and was probably more worth the fight. It prevents them from hosting NCAA Hockey tournament rounds, which is a shame because they really have about the nicest arena you could ever hope to see.

Mississippi hasn't had a realistic hope of hosting a Bowl or NCAA Basketball game in the last twenty years. And the NCAA has an exception for tournaments played at participant sites -- like baseball. So Mississippi gets an exception for NCAA baseball games, which is the sport in which all of the Big 3 host NCAA games, but North Dakota gets denied its big sport.

Good, accurate post; I love the idea of playing home games in Jackson. I just hate the fact that this gets to be "JSU's stadium." That's unadulterated B.S. of the purest sort.

It would depend on where the stadium is built as well. Obviously part of the funding is coming from the sale of the land that Veterans sat on, or at least a portion with some maybe being moved to the Medical Center. If the stadium is built on Lynch Street anywhere, don't look for any chance of outside games coming there.

Jackson could get a bowl now if it weren't for the flag issue. nBE is going to have some bowl contract struggles, CUSA is going to lose Liberty, rumors floating that New Orleans Bowl is looking to dump CUSA for nBE and the Hawaii deal is a financial anchor. Sun Belt has room to add one or two more games so Jackson could get in the mix.

Man, if CUSA loses the New Orleans Bowl, that just goes to show what a cesspool it is now.

The New Orleans Bowl is too good for us... let that sink in.

The flag thing makes me wonder about whether it's even right to support the NCAA in any way. I'm a registered Democrat and certainly not racist, but it really disgusts me that they would presume to think that they have any right to say a goddamned thing about a state flag. What a bunch of sanctimonious pricks. (And I should know. )

(03-01-2013 03:46 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Man, if CUSA loses the New Orleans Bowl, that just goes to show what a cesspool it is now.

The New Orleans Bowl is too good for us... let that sink in.

The flag thing makes me wonder about whether it's even right to support the NCAA in any way. I'm a registered Democrat and certainly not racist, but it really disgusts me that they would presume to think that they have any right to say a goddamned thing about a state flag. What a bunch of sanctimonious pricks. (And I should know. )

Really no need to tell me about the NCAA. If you recall my school was the "Indians" until 2008.

New Orleans was very unhappy to get shorted by CUSA in 2010 and 2011 when they were supposed to "share" the 3-6 bid in those seasons and ended up holding the bag.

(02-27-2013 02:51 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 02:28 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I guess I broke the news on the UNLV stadium, so here's another one for us. Jackson State of the SWAC is planning to build a 50,000 capacity dome to house their football and basketball teams, among the concerts and university events I presume. The project is planned to cost $200 million, funded by private donors, sponsorship sales, the Mississippi government, and the sale of Mississippi Veterans Memorial Stadium (and surrounding land).

I don't see them wanting to move up to FBS, the SWAC is an athletic and cultural fit for them. If they do, then this is a step in that direction I suppose.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ed-stadium

I cant imagine that this program would make such a large investment in athletics to continue playing at their current level. Why would they ever need a 50,000 seat stadium to play the teams that they currently play. It seems to me that they are looking to move up at some time in the future. That would be a first conclusion of anyone who is looking at this and being uninformed of their plans.

Jackson State has the fan base and support to do it. The Jackson State/Southern game draws about 60,000 fans and about another 40,000 for tailgating. The Capital City Classic against Alcorn is also a big draw for JSU, along with the Grambling, UAPB, Mississippi Valley, and Alabama State games. Keep in mind JSU set the FCS attendance record a few years ago with an average of over 36,000. There have been talks of a few SWAC/MEAC schools bolting together heading to the land of FBS football, we'll see.

GreenHornet, I love having JSU play at USM. They do bring an awesome crowd for games they perceive as important. I said elsewhere that we should play every year.

(03-02-2013 12:01 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  GreenHornet, I love having JSU play at USM. They do bring an awesome crowd for games they perceive as important. I said elsewhere that we should play every year.

I hate a love/hate relationship with JSU. For years our game home game against JSU was played in either Mobile (Gulf Coast Classic) or in Birmingham for the Labor Day Classic. Back in 2010 they came to Montgomery for the first time in over 20-years and that game was sold out by the Tuesday before the game. We even brought in temporary bleachers to add an extra seats and it still wasnt enough. We played our final game in Crampton Bowl against them this past year and it was the same thing. Southern and JSU make the other schools in the SWAC money when they come to town.