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RE: NY Post confirming C7 moves, keeping Big East name
(03-01-2013 04:23 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  C7 knew their best interests, both financial and in public perception, was to get out of Nbe. Aresco not to blame.

What are you talking about? How are the Catholic schools getting out of the Big East if they are the Big East? What is the name of this thread?
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(03-01-2013 04:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Aresco is not to blame for this. NO ONE saw the Big 10 moving to take Rutgers and Maryland. The BE was toast from the minute that happened. No one in the world could have taken any preventative measures that would have kept the BE together after the Big 10 took Rutgers and Maryland.

If I give you a car without any oil in the engine, is it your fault when the engine seizes up? Of course not. Maybe we can say that Aresco was a little nuts for taking this job to begin with, but it's certainly not his fault that the conference fell apart.

People have seen the possibility of Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten for 20+ years. There were some who in the 1950s after Michigan State was added speculated that Pitt, Penn State, Rutgers and others could be added. It wasn't expected necessarily but to say no one saw it coming is understating things a touch. That being said I do agree with overall premise of your post.
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(03-01-2013 05:10 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Have seen posts from both Xavier and Villanova insiders saying that what ESPN has been reporting regarding the final membership is incorrect.

From the Nova guy
"the ESPN reports aren't entirely accurate, and were likely leaked by someone hoping to manipulate the process. Xavier and Butler are definitely IN next year b/c they were the only 2 schools where there was a consensus. Despite what is being reported, Creighton and RICHMOND are likely next in line, in part b/c of a recent compromise between the eastern and western C7 schools. The last spot is undecided, but Fox has been pushing for SLU, which would leave Dayton out of the mix."

From the Xavier guy
"I'm being told by someone I trust implicitely that the schools could only agree on Butler and Xavier. That is why they are definitely coming in next year. I have also heard that Georgetown gave Creighton to Marquette and in return, Marquette is going to give Georgetown Richmond for school number 11. The schools are at odds about who should be team #12"

Makes a lot of sense. If Creighton, SLU and Dayton are added the league suddenly shifts to being more mid-western than Eastern. Adding Richmond instead of Dayton keeps the balance 6 mid-west and 6 on the I-95 corridor.
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well crap...eh I'll redo it when/if needed
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(03-01-2013 05:32 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 04:35 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Aresco is not to blame for this. NO ONE saw the Big 10 moving to take Rutgers and Maryland. The BE was toast from the minute that happened. No one in the world could have taken any preventative measures that would have kept the BE together after the Big 10 took Rutgers and Maryland.

If I give you a car without any oil in the engine, is it your fault when the engine seizes up? Of course not. Maybe we can say that Aresco was a little nuts for taking this job to begin with, but it's certainly not his fault that the conference fell apart.

People have seen the possibility of Rutgers and Maryland to the Big Ten for 20+ years. There were some who in the 1950s after Michigan State was added speculated that Pitt, Penn State, Rutgers and others could be added. It wasn't expected necessarily but to say no one saw it coming is understating things a touch. That being said I do agree with overall premise of your post.

I lived in DC for 38 years and came to know a lot of Georgetown grads and fans. No way was this Nbe proposal pushed by Aresco going to be tolerated. The only surprise to me is that the C7 held in as long as they did. UConn and Cincy have no football options at the present time...but the C7 did and acted.
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if these 2 are correct than #12 should be st louis. Actually they should be 11 and 12 should be between dayton and richmond/vcu
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If Dayton does get left out of the BE that is definitely who the MVC should be looking at as a replacement for Creighton.

I can't see UD sticking around the A10 when its taking a hit like that...
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(03-01-2013 06:01 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  well crap...eh I'll redo it when/if needed

Well he is a Richmond fan so I'd take his stance w/ a grain of salt. I thought Richmond would be in and Creighton out w/ all the too far west stuff but it didn't turn out that way.
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(03-01-2013 05:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 05:10 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Have seen posts from both Xavier and Villanova insiders saying that what ESPN has been reporting regarding the final membership is incorrect.

From the Nova guy
"the ESPN reports aren't entirely accurate, and were likely leaked by someone hoping to manipulate the process. Xavier and Butler are definitely IN next year b/c they were the only 2 schools where there was a consensus. Despite what is being reported, Creighton and RICHMOND are likely next in line, in part b/c of a recent compromise between the eastern and western C7 schools. The last spot is undecided, but Fox has been pushing for SLU, which would leave Dayton out of the mix."

From the Xavier guy
"I'm being told by someone I trust implicitely that the schools could only agree on Butler and Xavier. That is why they are definitely coming in next year. I have also heard that Georgetown gave Creighton to Marquette and in return, Marquette is going to give Georgetown Richmond for school number 11. The schools are at odds about who should be team #12"

Makes a lot of sense. If Creighton, SLU and Dayton are added the league suddenly shifts to being more mid-western than Eastern. Adding Richmond instead of Dayton keeps the balance 6 mid-west and 6 on the I-95 corridor.

7-5 doesn't make it a Midwestern based league.
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Can you read? I said MORE mid-western. 7>5.
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(03-01-2013 06:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 05:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 05:10 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Have seen posts from both Xavier and Villanova insiders saying that what ESPN has been reporting regarding the final membership is incorrect.

From the Nova guy
"the ESPN reports aren't entirely accurate, and were likely leaked by someone hoping to manipulate the process. Xavier and Butler are definitely IN next year b/c they were the only 2 schools where there was a consensus. Despite what is being reported, Creighton and RICHMOND are likely next in line, in part b/c of a recent compromise between the eastern and western C7 schools. The last spot is undecided, but Fox has been pushing for SLU, which would leave Dayton out of the mix."

From the Xavier guy
"I'm being told by someone I trust implicitely that the schools could only agree on Butler and Xavier. That is why they are definitely coming in next year. I have also heard that Georgetown gave Creighton to Marquette and in return, Marquette is going to give Georgetown Richmond for school number 11. The schools are at odds about who should be team #12"

Makes a lot of sense. If Creighton, SLU and Dayton are added the league suddenly shifts to being more mid-western than Eastern. Adding Richmond instead of Dayton keeps the balance 6 mid-west and 6 on the I-95 corridor.

7-5 doesn't make it a Midwestern based league.

Dave Gavitt would be rolling in his grave....

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(03-01-2013 06:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Can you read? I said MORE mid-western. 7>5.

Can you talk like a normal person without an attitude? Also we will NOT add a school so our geographic regions have an equal number of teams.
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(03-01-2013 06:23 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 06:20 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 05:38 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 05:10 PM)bostonspider Wrote:  Have seen posts from both Xavier and Villanova insiders saying that what ESPN has been reporting regarding the final membership is incorrect.

From the Nova guy
"the ESPN reports aren't entirely accurate, and were likely leaked by someone hoping to manipulate the process. Xavier and Butler are definitely IN next year b/c they were the only 2 schools where there was a consensus. Despite what is being reported, Creighton and RICHMOND are likely next in line, in part b/c of a recent compromise between the eastern and western C7 schools. The last spot is undecided, but Fox has been pushing for SLU, which would leave Dayton out of the mix."

From the Xavier guy
"I'm being told by someone I trust implicitely that the schools could only agree on Butler and Xavier. That is why they are definitely coming in next year. I have also heard that Georgetown gave Creighton to Marquette and in return, Marquette is going to give Georgetown Richmond for school number 11. The schools are at odds about who should be team #12"

Makes a lot of sense. If Creighton, SLU and Dayton are added the league suddenly shifts to being more mid-western than Eastern. Adding Richmond instead of Dayton keeps the balance 6 mid-west and 6 on the I-95 corridor.

7-5 doesn't make it a Midwestern based league.

Dave Gavitt would be rolling in his grave....

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He would be if we stayed with the nCUSA.
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(03-01-2013 06:31 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 06:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Can you read? I said MORE mid-western. 7>5.

Can you talk like a normal person without an attitude? Also we will NOT add a school so our geographic regions have an equal number of teams.

I'm just saying I think it makes more sense to add .....

you know what, nevermind.
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