(03-03-2013 11:50 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 09:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If Notre Dame gets out early for the ACC Louisville should ask the NCAA if they could be exempt from the ruling of having one sport in another conference while that conference plays that sport.

The NCAA doesn't care. That's a conference rule for all self-respecting conferences. When Boise State was coming to the Big East, the initial plan was to house their nonfootball sports in the WAC.

Louisville doesn't need to persuade the NCAA, it needs to persuade the ACC and the Aresco LEague.

I commented on his blog, asking if this was from sources or just him guessing. WE'll see.

The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football.

Not the WCC, the WAC. The conference with Idaho and New Mexico State. The one that had Kent Benson as commissioner. They were ready to welcome Boise State's Olympic sports, before the FBS WAC fell apart.

The WAC is the conference they ( Boise ) left for the MWC, and the WCC ( West Coast Conference ) that currently has Gonzoga, Pepperdine, BYU, Saint Mary's, and others was the conference that was going to let them place their olympic sports in while playing football in the Big East as to was SanDiego State. If I am wrong I apologize but I don't think I am here, but at this time it is really moot for the NCAA is not going to help anyone out here, and they do have a rule that will not allow this move.

No, Boise was going to the Big West with SD St. and Hawaii.

(03-02-2013 10:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 09:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Acquire the C-USA name. Let the existing C-USA revive the Metro brand.

Lol....I'd rather have the Metro name. CUSA is the name nobody wants to repeat. It was too gimmicky for the long haul. Frankly, Metro suffers from the same fault in my opinion. Conference names need to be simplistic, impart a sense of the conference identity, and seem old. C-USA misses on all 3. Metro misses on two out of three.

EAC is the obvious choice. Straightforward, relevant, dignified, sensible, conventional and easily remembered. Makes reference to the conference roots and the footprint which still lies within the eastern half of the US.

(03-02-2013 11:10 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 10:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If they name this league Big America I think I'm going to vomit.

You won't be alone. There will be a run on vomit bags if Big America is the final name.

Yes, and "Metro" is nearly as bad.

(03-03-2013 12:52 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If Notre Dame gets out early for the ACC Louisville should ask the NCAA if they could be exempt from the ruling of having one sport in another conference while that conference plays that sport.

The NCAA doesn't care. That's a conference rule for all self-respecting conferences. When Boise State was coming to the Big East, the initial plan was to house their nonfootball sports in the WAC.

Louisville doesn't need to persuade the NCAA, it needs to persuade the ACC and the Aresco LEague.

I commented on his blog, asking if this was from sources or just him guessing. WE'll see.

The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football. This is indeed a NCAA rule for you can not reside in a conference and play sports in another conference that host that sport. If that were the case then the SEC would have every team possible as well as the BigTen in football with their Olympic sports staying put in their conference. Just think the SEC would go after NC State, and VT with them staying amongst the ACC in everything but football as would have the BigTen with Rutgers and Maryland. This is why the NCAA has this rule for if they didn't what would stop these schools as well as conferences making these moves.

I would like to see the NCAA make exemption of the rule for teams moving from one conference to another, but I doubt they do that.

There is no such NCAA rule. The individual conferences typically have rules that do not allow it. The NCAA doesn't care. Talks were held regarding letting Boise and SDSU play olympic sports in the MW while playing football in the BE. The MW said no--it had nothing to do with the NCAA. It's a MW rule.

Actually there is an NCAA rule specifically addressing this.

Go ahead and link to it. I promise you, its not there. Boise signed an agreement to play football in the BE and basketball in the WAC (this was before the WAC knew it was dead in football). Its entirely up to each conference. The only rule that the NCAA has is that an FBS conference must have at least 8 schools that play football and basketball together. The NCAA doesnt care if the ninth school plays only football or only basktball--but not both. Its not a factor. Below is a link to a WAC press relase announcing Boise as a new member in "all sports BUT football". At the time, as clearly stated in the press release, the WAC was an FBS football confernece and fully expected to continue on as such.


http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=205343809

(03-03-2013 01:12 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:50 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 09:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The NCAA doesn't care. That's a conference rule for all self-respecting conferences. When Boise State was coming to the Big East, the initial plan was to house their nonfootball sports in the WAC.
Louisville doesn't need to persuade the NCAA, it needs to persuade the ACC and the Aresco LEague.

I commented on his blog, asking if this was from sources or just him guessing. WE'll see.

The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football.

Not the WCC, the WAC. The conference with Idaho and New Mexico State. The one that had Kent Benson as commissioner. They were ready to welcome Boise State's Olympic sports, before the FBS WAC fell apart.

The WAC is the conference they ( Boise ) left for the MWC, and the WCC ( West Coast Conference ) that currently has Gonzoga, Pepperdine, BYU, Saint Mary's, and others was the conference that was going to let them place their olympic sports in while playing football in the Big East as to was SanDiego State. If I am wrong I apologize but I don't think I am here, but at this time it is really moot for the NCAA is not going to help anyone out here, and they do have a rule that will not allow this move.

No, Boise was going to the Big West with SD St. and Hawaii.

The original plan was for Boise to play olympic sports in the WAC and football in the Big East. When the WAC got raided again by the MW, CUSA, and SB--it looked too unstable to survive. Thats when Boise began lobbying the Big West for admittance. There is no NCAA rule preventing schools from playing football in one FBS conference and basketball in another FBS conference. As everyone can clearly see, the WAC was an FBS conference at this time (12/07/2011--see linked WAC press release below).


DENVER, COLO. - Commissioner Karl Benson announced on Wednesday that Boise State University will return to the Western Athletic Conference as a full member in all sports except football effective July 1, 2013.

http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=205343809

(03-03-2013 11:50 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 09:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  If Notre Dame gets out early for the ACC Louisville should ask the NCAA if they could be exempt from the ruling of having one sport in another conference while that conference plays that sport.

The NCAA doesn't care. That's a conference rule for all self-respecting conferences. When Boise State was coming to the Big East, the initial plan was to house their nonfootball sports in the WAC.

Louisville doesn't need to persuade the NCAA, it needs to persuade the ACC and the Aresco LEague.

I commented on his blog, asking if this was from sources or just him guessing. WE'll see.

The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football.

Not the WCC, the WAC. The conference with Idaho and New Mexico State. The one that had Kent Benson as commissioner. They were ready to welcome Boise State's Olympic sports, before the FBS WAC fell apart.

The WAC is the conference they ( Boise ) left for the MWC, and the WCC ( West Coast Conference ) that currently has Gonzoga, Pepperdine, BYU, Saint Mary's, and others was the conference that was going to let them place their olympic sports in while playing football in the Big East as to was SanDiego State. If I am wrong I apologize but I don't think I am here, but at this time it is really moot for the NCAA is not going to help anyone out here, and they do have a rule that will not allow this move.

You are wrong. Boise State was never going to join the WCC that has Gonzaga and St Mary's, they were going to join the WAC that has NMSU and Idaho. San Diego STate was going to join the Big West that has Long Beach State and Cal State--Fullerton.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...t-big-east
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...l-programs
http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/04...conference
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...s-sun-belt
http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/02...t_wac_2012

All of those articles refer to Boise STate moving football to the Big East and everything else to the WAC, when the WAC was still an FBS
conference.

Most conferences, including the MWC, have a rule that if you play a sport that the conference sponsors, you play in the conference. But it is not an NCAA rule.

(03-03-2013 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:52 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The NCAA doesn't care. That's a conference rule for all self-respecting conferences. When Boise State was coming to the Big East, the initial plan was to house their nonfootball sports in the WAC.

Louisville doesn't need to persuade the NCAA, it needs to persuade the ACC and the Aresco LEague.

I commented on his blog, asking if this was from sources or just him guessing. WE'll see.

The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football. This is indeed a NCAA rule for you can not reside in a conference and play sports in another conference that host that sport. If that were the case then the SEC would have every team possible as well as the BigTen in football with their Olympic sports staying put in their conference. Just think the SEC would go after NC State, and VT with them staying amongst the ACC in everything but football as would have the BigTen with Rutgers and Maryland. This is why the NCAA has this rule for if they didn't what would stop these schools as well as conferences making these moves.

I would like to see the NCAA make exemption of the rule for teams moving from one conference to another, but I doubt they do that.

There is no such NCAA rule. The individual conferences typically have rules that do not allow it. The NCAA doesn't care. Talks were held regarding letting Boise and SDSU play olympic sports in the MW while playing football in the BE. The MW said no--it had nothing to do with the NCAA. It's a MW rule.

Actually there is an NCAA rule specifically addressing this.

Go ahead and link to it. I promise you, its not there. Boise signed an agreement to play football in the BE and basketball in the WAC (this was before the WAC knew it was dead in football). Its entirely up to each conference. The only rule that the NCAA has is that an FBS conference must have at least 8 schools that play football and basketball together. The NCAA doesnt care if the ninth school plays only football or only basktball--but not both. Its not a factor. Below is a link to a WAC press relase announcing Boise as a new member in "all sports BUT football". At the time, as clearly stated in the press release, the WAC was an FBS football confernece and fully expected to continue on as such.


http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=205343809

You're incorrect on this. I'll link it when I have the time.

The NCAA requires that football be played in the same conference as the other sports. The exception exists when the primary conference does n or sponsor football. That's what allowed the WAC situation.

The only option when a school's primary conference sponsors football is to go independent as Notre dame does.

(03-03-2013 01:49 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:52 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football. This is indeed a NCAA rule for you can not reside in a conference and play sports in another conference that host that sport. If that were the case then the SEC would have every team possible as well as the BigTen in football with their Olympic sports staying put in their conference. Just think the SEC would go after NC State, and VT with them staying amongst the ACC in everything but football as would have the BigTen with Rutgers and Maryland. This is why the NCAA has this rule for if they didn't what would stop these schools as well as conferences making these moves.

I would like to see the NCAA make exemption of the rule for teams moving from one conference to another, but I doubt they do that.

There is no such NCAA rule. The individual conferences typically have rules that do not allow it. The NCAA doesn't care. Talks were held regarding letting Boise and SDSU play olympic sports in the MW while playing football in the BE. The MW said no--it had nothing to do with the NCAA. It's a MW rule.

Actually there is an NCAA rule specifically addressing this.

Go ahead and link to it. I promise you, its not there. Boise signed an agreement to play football in the BE and basketball in the WAC (this was before the WAC knew it was dead in football). Its entirely up to each conference. The only rule that the NCAA has is that an FBS conference must have at least 8 schools that play football and basketball together. The NCAA doesnt care if the ninth school plays only football or only basktball--but not both. Its not a factor. Below is a link to a WAC press relase announcing Boise as a new member in "all sports BUT football". At the time, as clearly stated in the press release, the WAC was an FBS football confernece and fully expected to continue on as such.


http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=205343809

You're incorrect on this. I'll link it when I have the time.

The NCAA requires that football be played in the same conference as the other sports. The exception exists when the primary conference does n or sponsor football. That's what allowed the WAC situation.

The WAC still sponsored FBS football when they accepted Boise as a non-football member. The WAC planned to continue to sponsor football. See the half-dozen links I posted a few posts up.

ACtually, wait, did you even read the WAC press release in the post you replied to?

Quote:The only option when a school's primary conference sponsors football is to go independent as Notre dame does.

No, that's a conference option. The conference doesn't have to allow you to play indy, either if they don't want to.

(03-03-2013 01:12 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 11:50 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 09:10 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 11:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  The NCAA doesn't care. That's a conference rule for all self-respecting conferences. When Boise State was coming to the Big East, the initial plan was to house their nonfootball sports in the WAC.

Louisville doesn't need to persuade the NCAA, it needs to persuade the ACC and the Aresco LEague.

I commented on his blog, asking if this was from sources or just him guessing. WE'll see.

The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football.

Not the WCC, the WAC. The conference with Idaho and New Mexico State. The one that had Kent Benson as commissioner. They were ready to welcome Boise State's Olympic sports, before the FBS WAC fell apart.

The WAC is the conference they ( Boise ) left for the MWC, and the WCC ( West Coast Conference ) that currently has Gonzoga, Pepperdine, BYU, Saint Mary's, and others was the conference that was going to let them place their olympic sports in while playing football in the Big East as to was SanDiego State. If I am wrong I apologize but I don't think I am here, but at this time it is really moot for the NCAA is not going to help anyone out here, and they do have a rule that will not allow this move.

No, Boise was going to the Big West with SD St. and Hawaii.

That's correct. The WCC would never go for letting those schools "park" their other programs there.

(03-03-2013 12:12 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  As a U of L fan, I can live with the purgatory of next season ...

One season of playing new big east schools in football with a BCS bid to the winner is fine with me. I'd love one more shot at a Sugar Bowl trip, and that goes away forever in 2014 as Big XII and SEC only will play there. Hope we take care of business, and the stars align for that. I think it's highly possible, but Cincy, Rutgers, Central Florida, and Willie Taggart at South Florida won't lay down for us. Ultimately, I like our chances with Bridgewater leading the way, and our team is finally coming of age, with the bulk of starters being juniors/rs sophomores, and sophomores. Our first season in the ACC should be our best overall team, even sans Bridgewater.

SO ... count me as one that doesn't mind at ALL playing one more football season in whatever is left of the Big East.

The hoops season would be weird given there is no TV deal (at least I think that's the situation) -- but not all that bad from a competition standpoint ...

Louisville
UConn
Cincy
Temple
Memphis

... is a decent core for hoops.

Rutgers, South Florida, Central Florida, Houston, SMU ... who am I missing?? ...

... fills it out ok.


It's the lack of TV deal for hoops that makes this whole thing totally funky. And TV money is what is tearing leagues apart. So we'll see what actually happens.

Your argument above for UL staying through 7-1-14 is what I have been saying on the MEMPHIS boards. The Cards will have a very good FB team next year; one that should be the huge favorite to make a BCS Bowl.

I thought ESPN had the BB contract as well??? Regardless, you can bet several of the games between MEMPHIS, Louisville, UConn, Cincy, and Temple will be shown on some national network.

(03-03-2013 01:49 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 01:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:52 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-03-2013 12:36 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  The reason that was ok is due to the fact the WCC does not participate in FBS football. This is indeed a NCAA rule for you can not reside in a conference and play sports in another conference that host that sport. If that were the case then the SEC would have every team possible as well as the BigTen in football with their Olympic sports staying put in their conference. Just think the SEC would go after NC State, and VT with them staying amongst the ACC in everything but football as would have the BigTen with Rutgers and Maryland. This is why the NCAA has this rule for if they didn't what would stop these schools as well as conferences making these moves.

I would like to see the NCAA make exemption of the rule for teams moving from one conference to another, but I doubt they do that.

There is no such NCAA rule. The individual conferences typically have rules that do not allow it. The NCAA doesn't care. Talks were held regarding letting Boise and SDSU play olympic sports in the MW while playing football in the BE. The MW said no--it had nothing to do with the NCAA. It's a MW rule.

Actually there is an NCAA rule specifically addressing this.

Go ahead and link to it. I promise you, its not there. Boise signed an agreement to play football in the BE and basketball in the WAC (this was before the WAC knew it was dead in football). Its entirely up to each conference. The only rule that the NCAA has is that an FBS conference must have at least 8 schools that play football and basketball together. The NCAA doesnt care if the ninth school plays only football or only basktball--but not both. Its not a factor. Below is a link to a WAC press relase announcing Boise as a new member in "all sports BUT football". At the time, as clearly stated in the press release, the WAC was an FBS football confernece and fully expected to continue on as such.


http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=205343809

You're incorrect on this. I'll link it when I have the time.

The NCAA requires that football be played in the same conference as the other sports. The exception exists when the primary conference does n or sponsor football. That's what allowed the WAC situation.

The only option when a school's primary conference sponsors football is to go independent as Notre dame does.

Checked the NCAA Handbook and I couldn't find what I thought was there.

Could've sworn . . .

Anyway, sorry about that. You were right. I was wrong.

(03-02-2013 09:44 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(03-02-2013 08:11 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  How about Conference-911? That title captures the history of this league.

9 CUSA Teams: Cincy, USF, UCF, ECU, Tulane, Mempis, Houston, SMU, plus one other unfortunate CUSA soul.

1 MAC: Temple

1 BIG EAST: UConn

Huh?? Cincy and USF are not CUSA teams. They are current members of the Big East and have been as long as UConn has been a football member of the Big East...almost a decade.

Actually, UConn joined the Big East for football 1 year before Cincy, L'ville & USF. 2004 was their first year as a footbal member.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stan.../year/2004