(03-08-2013 03:46 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:22 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:58 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:53 PM)billings Wrote:  Armed Forces Bowl might be A12 versus MWC in Texas as well. MWC has 6 bowls already and the two matchups versus the PAC that will be where the higher placed MWC will want to be and play an AQ league

The Pac will be interesting. Could easily see the teams the MWC are slotted to play in those games reduced if not eliminated- think we'll see 1-2 mroe P12/B10 games. So I could easily see Liberty and Armed Forces being top A12/MWC teams playing each other.

I think the western Bowls will move to be more regional for better attendance. Eastern Teams simply travel like crap to the west and Vice versa as well.

I think the ACC will lose the SUN bowl to the Big 12. That gives the Big 12 three matchups already versus the PAC in the Holiday Bowl, Sun Bowl, and Alamo Bowl. That is probably about all they want and I think the MWC holds two games against the PAC in Vegas and New Mexico. With a 9 game conference schedule 7 teams is about all the PAC will ever get bowl eligible. They would have oneplayoff, one BIG, three BIG 12, and 2 MWC. That is about all they can do

I think you'll see the Big Ten pick up a 2nd game vs the Pac 12. If you're lucky, they'll have 1 left(with like their 7th team, which some years like last year could be 8th team) to play the MWC. Heck, could even see 3 Big Ten/Pac 12 games quite frankly. Big Ten wants to have more varied games and not just all in Florida....

Not Sure what Bowl game that would be though? MWC bowls are in MWC stadiums and towns and I don't think we lose them. Maybe the military bowl but I think Air Force helps us keep that one

You won't lose the game itself, just won't have a P12 team to play against.

Also could easily see the Poinsettia Bowl lost to a Pac 12 Big Ten matchup.

Several years ago the SEC began to move away from any bowl with an opponent that wasn't in a BCS conference as the contracts expired. The other Contract Bowl conferences are now starting to do the same. With one or two exceptions, the bowls will be grouped as those between teams from Contract Bowls and those between the other 5 conferences. Remember, each bowl needs 2 teams and they both don't come from the same conference. CUSA, the SBC, the MAC, the MWC and the NNNC (New No Name Conference) are going to be playing each other. While the lineup might change, they will all have about the same number of slots that they have now.

(03-08-2013 03:56 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  Several years ago the SEC began to move away from any bowl with an opponent that wasn't in a BCS conference as the contracts expired. The other Contract Bowl conferences are now starting to do the same. With one or two exceptions, the bowls will be grouped as those between teams from Contract Bowls and those between the other 5 conferences. Remember, each bowl needs 2 teams and they both don't come from the same conference. CUSA, the SBC, the MAC, the MWC and the NNNC (New No Name Conference) are going to be playing each other. While the lineup might change, they will all have about the same number of slots that they have now.

Exactly. In effect, a defacto split is taking place and will be set up and running by 2014. The AQ schools will effectively use the non-AQ the same way they use FCS schools now. There will be some 2 for 1 OOC games handed out, but beyond that--there will be virtually no crossover. In the the bowls there will be AQ vs AQ and G-5 vs G-5 games. Beyond the BCS non-AQ slot--there may be one or two G-5 vs a very low level AQ as an occaisional oddities due to regional or numerical logistics issues. Beyond those games, the classes of FBS schools will exist in different worlds.

I think that's what shocked me so much about the BCS slot. I can't believe at all that the AQ schools gave that slot away, without a minimum requirement even.

(03-08-2013 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I think that's what shocked me so much about the BCS slot. I can't believe at all that the AQ schools gave that slot away, without a minimum requirement even.

That was the carrot not to avoid the possibility of an antitrust suit.

(03-08-2013 04:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:56 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  Several years ago the SEC began to move away from any bowl with an opponent that wasn't in a BCS conference as the contracts expired. The other Contract Bowl conferences are now starting to do the same. With one or two exceptions, the bowls will be grouped as those between teams from Contract Bowls and those between the other 5 conferences. Remember, each bowl needs 2 teams and they both don't come from the same conference. CUSA, the SBC, the MAC, the MWC and the NNNC (New No Name Conference) are going to be playing each other. While the lineup might change, they will all have about the same number of slots that they have now.

Exactly. In effect, a defacto split is taking place and will be set up and running by 2014. The AQ schools will effectively use the non-AQ the same way they use FCS schools now. There will be some 2 for 1 OOC games handed out, but beyond that--there will be virtually no crossover. In the the bowls there will be AQ vs AQ and G-5 vs G-5 games. Beyond the BCS non-AQ slot--there may be one or two G-5 vs a very low level AQ as an occaisional oddities due to regional or numerical logistics issues. Beyond those games, the classes of FBS schools will exist in different worlds.

I've already stopped watching most of the bowls because of that. Who wants to see the same teams play each other every year?

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

I think the conference fell apart when they invited Tulane

(03-08-2013 05:39 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

I think the conference fell apart when they invited Tulane

It kinda does seem that way. I have a feeling hard tv numbers probably started to roll in and that was the real torpedo that broke the ships back. But because it was behind closed doors, it would not have been as obvious to anyone following the situation.

(03-08-2013 05:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 05:39 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

I think the conference fell apart when they invited Tulane

It kinda does seem that way. I have a feeling hard tv numbers probably started to roll in and that was the real torpedo that broke the ships back. But because it was behind closed doors, it would not have been as obvious to anyone following the situation.

Blaming the demise of the Big East on the invite to ECU and Tulane is incorrect. The old Big East had a lot of fissures, which comes from these hybred models. It plugged along but once the pressures came, the Big East was not constructed to hold up. That is why on Day 1 of the Times Square Banners, I said this clustersmuck wasn't going to work. The reason the old Big East failed and the reason the Nbe/A12 failed is that there never were enough good football teams in the conferences to make it attractive. Everything goes from there....

(03-08-2013 02:26 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  Jumping the gun as usual. While i agree it is likely, it is only in discussion stage.

The one concellation, the A12 should probably go undefeated in bowls each year.

ECU football = bull poop stacked an empire state building tall.

2012 New Orleans Bowl: Louisiana 43, Big Mouths 34

Louisiana beat Nbe darling SDSU the year before in the New Orleans Bowl, 32-30.

Tallgrass - are you going to be as quick to come back when something good happens to the Big East? We see these gloom and doom threads every day from you... but just curious if you'll be posting something positive when it happens.

(03-08-2013 03:32 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

Sorry, but I don't agree. Most media interpretations say that looking back, it was quite clear the end was in the mix since 2011. I believe that was around the time that UCF, Houston, SMU and Memphis were brought on. The dominoes were already starting to fall before their invites.

Not necessarily. All of the incoming schools showed a lot of optimism about the league, and the TV deal was projected to get around $8-$10 million per team. The league hired a veteran TV guy as commissioner who could get the league on prime time television. Boise and SDSU were still committed. The basketball schools appeared to be happy. Then Rutgers left. Then Louisville left. The ultimate tipping point was when Aresco couldn't find anybody better than ECU and Tulane as replacements for Boise and SDSU. The basketball schools finally figured out how incompetent and out of touch the admins were so they wanted out.

If Louisville and Rutgers were still in the league it would still be together. I honestly believe that.

(03-09-2013 10:54 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Tallgrass - are you going to be as quick to come back when something good happens to the Big East? We see these gloom and doom threads every day from you... but just curious if you'll be posting something positive when it happens.

When it happens? Perhaps you have made the most telling post of all...

(03-09-2013 11:09 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 03:32 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:51 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Kinda OT but did everyone else notice how quickly the conference fell apart after Louisville and Rutgers left? When Pitt and Syracuse departed last summer nobody really cared, same with WVU.

Since Louisville and Rutgers departed we've seen Boise and SDSU change their minds, the basketball schools cut and run, and now the bowls looking elsewhere. Right now there isn't a school in the A12 that doesn't want out to some degree.

Just making an observation.

Sorry, but I don't agree. Most media interpretations say that looking back, it was quite clear the end was in the mix since 2011. I believe that was around the time that UCF, Houston, SMU and Memphis were brought on. The dominoes were already starting to fall before their invites.

Not necessarily. All of the incoming schools showed a lot of optimism about the league, and the TV deal was projected to get around $8-$10 million per team. The league hired a veteran TV guy as commissioner who could get the league on prime time television. Boise and SDSU were still committed. The basketball schools appeared to be happy. Then Rutgers left. Then Louisville left. The ultimate tipping point was when Aresco couldn't find anybody better than ECU and Tulane as replacements for Boise and SDSU. The basketball schools finally figured out how incompetent and out of touch the admins were so they wanted out.

If Louisville and Rutgers were still in the league it would still be together. I honestly believe that.

When Pitt & especially Syracuse left we wanted out...just look @ the race we had with WVU to get into the Big XII. When WVU won that race our intent was to still leave but @ the same time make the BIG EAST the best league it could.

Now when Pat Forde notified Tom Jurich that the Maryland/Rutgers/B1G was going down before it became public knowledge that is when both he & Dr. Ramsey went to work. Luckily for us we caught the last apparent lifeboat out of that sinking ship.

Cuseroc...I knida said that. But I said it from the beginning. When Syracuse left the BIG EAST died. The Orange was the Heart & Soul of the BIG EAST. I say the same about our new league the ACC...as long as UNC is in the ACC it will be fine...they are the Heart & Soul of our new league.

(03-09-2013 02:16 PM)Maize Wrote:  Cuseroc...I knida said that. But I said it from the beginning. When Syracuse left the BIG EAST died. The Orange was the Heart & Soul of the BIG EAST. I say the same about our new league the ACC...as long as UNC is in the ACC it will be fine...they are the Heart & Soul of our new league.

Yeah, I see that now. But I started actually posting this thread, before you responded. Then i kept watching SU get murdered by Georgetown and yelling at my tv and coming back to finish my post in between commercials. It actually took me about 50 minutes to finish this post. Sorry.

(03-08-2013 02:21 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SCSportsReport/statu...2850743296

Pinstripe will probably become B1G/ACC.

Liberty Bowl will probably degenerate down to level of Independence Bowl as BCS conferences continue to seek warm weather sites and/or domed stadiums versus fellow BCS opponents.

Future Nbe/A12 Bowls:
1. Liberty vs CUSA
2. Birmingham vs CUSA
3. St. Pete vs CUSA
4. New Orleans vs SBC
5. Military vs MAC
6. Independence vs SBC

I wouldn't be so sure about the Pinstripe going BIG/acc. Maybe if UConn is poached. Otherwise, the TBA would have two schools located closer than either northeastern acc school. Both of them and Navy if it joins, would be more likely to bring bigger crowds than any acc school not named cuse.

(03-09-2013 03:57 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 02:21 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SCSportsReport/statu...2850743296

Pinstripe will probably become B1G/ACC.

Liberty Bowl will probably degenerate down to level of Independence Bowl as BCS conferences continue to seek warm weather sites and/or domed stadiums versus fellow BCS opponents.

Future Nbe/A12 Bowls:
1. Liberty vs CUSA
2. Birmingham vs CUSA
3. St. Pete vs CUSA
4. New Orleans vs SBC
5. Military vs MAC
6. Independence vs SBC

I wouldn't be so sure about the Pinstripe going BIG/acc. Maybe if UConn is poached. Otherwise, the TBA would have two schools located closer than either northeastern acc school. Both of them and Navy if it joins, would be more likely to bring bigger crowds than any acc school not named cuse.

So you think UConn, Temple, and Navy are more attractive than Syracuse, Pitt, BC, UVA (about the same distance as Pitt)?

I don't see it.

It going to be very interesting how the Bowl lineups will look like when it is completed this coming year. The ACC should be able to improve it lineup with Notre Dame now in the mix for all the ACC Bowls. Need to get a replacement for the loss of the Chik-Fil-A Bowl with it likely becoming a Access Bowl.

I would like to hold onto the Sun Bowl & it no secret that the Sun Bowl likes access to the Irish. Would like to get back into the Gator Bowl against the SEC and maybe even the Outback Bowl as well since the B1G has stated they want newer destinations.

It going to be interesting to see how the Big XII does, they will have a strong lineup but this is the first bowl lineup without Nebraska & Texas A&M. That is/was one of the main reasons why they have a better bowl lineup. How willl the ACC Look with ND in the mix and how will the Big XII Lineup look without Texas A&M & Nebraska.

(03-09-2013 12:46 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 10:54 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Tallgrass - are you going to be as quick to come back when something good happens to the Big East? We see these gloom and doom threads every day from you... but just curious if you'll be posting something positive when it happens.

When it happens? Perhaps you have made the most telling post of all...

So you're basically saying you're going to act like a j@ckass no matter if the news is good or bad.

Does it make you feel better about yourself to try and talk down to everyone?