I hate it when people **** on Rutgers like we still suck. I hate it when some of our fans get like pompous jackasses. Did Rutgers get into the Big Ten for athletic prowess? No. We got in because we are a clear as day institutional match in a coveted location. We got in because we have a very high ceiling in most sports and have started to show some signs of life in football and wrestling along with a true commitment to winning. We got in because we have an AD who is a shrewd political operator and seems to have a certain vision of what we should be athletically.

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(03-11-2013 07:54 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I hate it when people **** on Rutgers like we still suck. I hate it when some of our fans get like pompous jackasses. Did Rutgers get into the Big Ten for athletic prowess? No. We got in because we are a clear as day institutional match in a coveted location. We got in because we have a very high ceiling in most sports and have started to show some signs of life in football and wrestling along with a true commitment to winning. We got in because we have an AD who is a shrewd political operator and seems to have a certain vision of what we should be athletically.

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I agree with all of this. Sorry that I reacted to that jacka$$, Brista.

I wish Rutgers all the best in the Big Ten.

(03-11-2013 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 07:54 PM)brista21 Wrote:  I hate it when people **** on Rutgers like we still suck. I hate it when some of our fans get like pompous jackasses. Did Rutgers get into the Big Ten for athletic prowess? No. We got in because we are a clear as day institutional match in a coveted location. We got in because we have a very high ceiling in most sports and have started to show some signs of life in football and wrestling along with a true commitment to winning. We got in because we have an AD who is a shrewd political operator and seems to have a certain vision of what we should be athletically.

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I agree with all of this. Sorry that I reacted to that jacka$$, Brista.

I wish Rutgers all the best in the Big Ten.

No worries he had it coming in this thread. Same to ND. I think the ACC and Hockey East affiliations will keep ND strong for a long time to come.

I think Rutgers is going to make out like a bandit in the B1G, and since it coincides with Penn State being under a cloud, it will only help things along faster. Ohio State and Michigan may come to regret inviting Rutgers. They could very well lose their place as the top dogs in the conference in due time...

(03-12-2013 10:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think Rutgers is going to make out like a bandit in the B1G, and since it coincides with Penn State being under a cloud, it will only help things along faster. Ohio State and Michigan may come to regret inviting Rutgers. They could very well lose their place as the top dogs in the conference in due time...

I doubt that. The building barely holds 50,000. But yeah, we can be in that second tier football wise. Still hoping the B1G continues to be proactive with expansion on the east coast. Definitely doesn't hurt to have a transition period of at least one more year before we gear up for the playoff.

Everyone is forgetting the biggest winners: the new C-7 schools.

All of them but Creighton were conference-mates in the Midwestern City Conference in the 80s along with Evansville, Oral Roberts, Detroit, Loyola, and Notre Dame. It fell apart in the mid-90s and reformed as the Horizon League. But I don't think the conference had a single elite 8 in the 80s. Definitely mid-major.

All five of them have gotten a golden ticket. They were all in halfway decent regional conferences over the years, but now they've gotten big enough to combine into a national power conference.

(03-11-2013 02:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Agreed that UConn and Cincy hoops are taking a huge hit with the disintegration of the old Big East. Both schools are obviously committed to surviving at the FBS football level, and know that they cannot survive as Independents. If UConn/UC ever decide that their long-term athletic interests are better-served in the new, non-FBS Big East, then they will simply drop down to FCS football or disband the football program altogether. That seems highly unlikely to me.

UConn is not likely to drop down to FCS any time soon.

But they would necessarily have to drop down to FCS ~ they will be in a Mid-Major conference from 2014, but one of the top two Mid-Major conference, so if they decided to scale back their football and apply as a football-only member of the MAC, that could well be enough to convince the New Big East that they have dropped their Major conference football ambitions. It would likely mean the New Big East expanding past 12, but even numbered expansions are only critical for football conferences.

The dust has to settle on whatever is going to happen to the ACC first ~ as long as UConn harbors hopes of being an ACC reload, they'll stick it out.

(03-12-2013 10:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think Rutgers is going to make out like a bandit in the B1G, and since it coincides with Penn State being under a cloud, it will only help things along faster. Ohio State and Michigan may come to regret inviting Rutgers. They could very well lose their place as the top dogs in the conference in due time...

Hold your horses there, hoss, Rutgers first has to prove it can rise up to contender status in the Big Ten before it can start dreaming of knocking off two of the kings ~ and since that would take one or two decades, by the time they'd be able to rise to contender status, Penn State could well be on the rebound.

(03-12-2013 10:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:23 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think Rutgers is going to make out like a bandit in the B1G, and since it coincides with Penn State being under a cloud, it will only help things along faster. Ohio State and Michigan may come to regret inviting Rutgers. They could very well lose their place as the top dogs in the conference in due time...

I doubt that. The building barely holds 50,000. But yeah, we can be in that second tier football wise. Still hoping the B1G continues to be proactive with expansion on the east coast. Definitely doesn't hurt to have a transition period of at least one more year before we gear up for the playoff.

The building can be expanded further. They'll need the extra space for all the visiting fans. B1G schools have lots of alums in the area...

Also, if Rutgers starts winning consistently in the B1G, the fanbase will grow exponentially. IMO Rutgers will be competitive in short order, especially if they start signing all the better local recruits. They let a lot of 'em get away, and if that stops it will only help Rutgers efforts...

JOOC, are you really a Rutgers fan? Or are you somebody faking it for some ulterior motive? If you are a REAL Rutgers fan, you sure are a negative Nancy...

BTW, Bruce, I did say MAY...

(03-09-2013 12:15 PM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 11:32 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I'd say Rutgers, like Utah, is one of the biggest winners... going from the most unstable mid-tier football conference to basically THE most stable and highest grossing conference in the country.

I'd throw Maryland in there as well. A program that can't manage a budget and is knee deep in debt to the point they were discussing dropping certain sports even with Under Armour on the back burner and they get to join Rutgers.

I think it is premature to pick the winners at this point. Rutgers and Maryland are financial winners for sure. Can they compete with the other B1G programs is the question. I remember when Penn State joined the B10 their fans talked about how they would rule the conference. That never happened and PSU was far more accomplished in athletics than Rutgers and Maryland are. Did they trade ticket revenue for TV revenue?

It will be interesting to see where everyone is in 5 years. Miami's move the the ACC did not work out like it was planned. For VT it has worked out very well. BC is probably a wash, they have seen good and bad since they joined. Cincinnati was way more successful in the Big East than anyone would have expected. Louisville has been good in BB and hot and cold in FB. They look like they are strong and ready to succeed going forward. Will they succeed in the ACC? Time will tell. How well will TCU and WVU do into the B12? TAMU did well in the SEC, Missouri less so, but it is early. South Carolina and Arkansas have both acclimated to the SEC, but it took some time. How will Pitt and Cuse adapt to ACC basketball? No way to tell yet. Sit back and see what happens.

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Everyone leaves out ND from this winner/loser tally:

If we look at things right now, ND:

--Moved 24 sports from the America 12 to the ACC

--Retains playoff access as an independent.

--Is close to resigning with NBC for way bigger bucks.

--Improves basketball, baseball, lacrosse, etc...competition.

--Has access to ACC minor bowl bids.

--Will play lots of games in all sports in the Southeast (recruiting help).

--Has Orange Bowl access for perhaps 2/10 years.

--Moves its hockey team to Hockey East and signs with NBC Sports to televise every home game.

--Keeps scheduling control over 7 football games per year.

I think that ND has done ok in realignment so far. I would put it in the "winner" column right now.

(03-12-2013 12:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I think that ND has done ok in realignment so far. I would put it in the "winner" column right now.

On balance, I agree with this. The main positives for ND are that it maintains its Independent status in football and will have realistic access to major bowls and to the ACC's minor-bowls. Plus the relationship with NBC shows no signs of weakening.

Two small-to-medium negatives that I can see.

First, ND has to hand over five football games a year, every year, to the ACC. That is obviously something that the old Big East was never able to get the Irish to agree to. And ND does not get to pick which ACC teams they play, either. Wake Forest and Duke and NCSU rotate on just as much as Pitt and Georgia Tech and Miami. No one seriously thinks Notre Dame would have chosen that format on its own.

Secondly -- Notre Dame's relationships with other Catholic-led universities like Georgetown and St. John's and DePaul will obviously not be the same as they have been in recent years. Maybe ND doesn't care about that. But I don't see how anyone could deny that Notre Dame, institutionally, has more in common with the "C7" than schools like Clemson and Virginia Tech and Florida State. Not the end of the world (or anywhere close to it) but still, not a "positive" change (in and of itself) from ND's point of view.

The ACC is obviously light-years ahead of the Aresco League. But for a Catholic university like Notre Dame, I don't think the ACC is much better than what the old Big East was in the 1990s and 2000s.

ND wants to move games into the Southeast big time for recruiting in football and baseball.

They think that the ACC will help them for basketball recruiting, too.

(03-12-2013 01:39 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND wants to move games into the Southeast big time for recruiting in football and baseball.

They think that the ACC will help them for basketball recruiting, too.

I didn't know that Notre Dame felt it needed a boost in football recruiting in any area of the country. That is an interesting point.

As for basketball, I still think the old Big East which Notre Dame joined in 1995 was every bit an equal to the new ACC which Notre Dame is joining later this year.

(03-12-2013 12:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Everyone leaves out ND from this winner/loser tally:

If we look at things right now, ND:

--Moved 24 sports from the America 12 to the ACC

--Retains playoff access as an independent.

--Is close to resigning with NBC for way bigger bucks.

--Improves basketball, baseball, lacrosse, etc...competition.

--Has access to ACC minor bowl bids.

--Will play lots of games in all sports in the Southeast (recruiting help).

--Has Orange Bowl access for perhaps 2/10 years.

--Moves its hockey team to Hockey East and signs with NBC Sports to televise every home game.

--Keeps scheduling control over 7 football games per year.

I think that ND has done ok in realignment so far. I would put it in the "winner" column right now.

Notre Dame is merely trying to salvage their independence. They succeeded in staying independent in football. So if that counts as a win, then they're a winner. But IMO they merely changed conferences for their Olympic sports, and were forced to give up a bit of their football independence to do so. It's not really a win. But they didn't lose either...

(03-12-2013 01:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Everyone leaves out ND from this winner/loser tally:

If we look at things right now, ND:

--Moved 24 sports from the America 12 to the ACC

--Retains playoff access as an independent.

--Is close to resigning with NBC for way bigger bucks.

--Improves basketball, baseball, lacrosse, etc...competition.

--Has access to ACC minor bowl bids.

--Will play lots of games in all sports in the Southeast (recruiting help).

--Has Orange Bowl access for perhaps 2/10 years.

--Moves its hockey team to Hockey East and signs with NBC Sports to televise every home game.

--Keeps scheduling control over 7 football games per year.

I think that ND has done ok in realignment so far. I would put it in the "winner" column right now.

Notre Dame is merely trying to salvage their independence. They succeeded in staying independent in football. So if that counts as a win, then they're a winner. But IMO they merely changed conferences for their Olympic sports, and were forced to give up a bit of their football independence to do so. It's not really a win. But they didn't lose either...

That makes ND a winner in the realignment sweepstakes all by itself.

I think the ACC is a better conference for baseball than the old Big East by a lot.

I think that it is better in basketball and lacrosse, as well.

The ACC bowls options are better than the Big East ones, too.

(03-12-2013 05:08 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 01:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 12:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Everyone leaves out ND from this winner/loser tally:

If we look at things right now, ND:

--Moved 24 sports from the America 12 to the ACC

--Retains playoff access as an independent.

--Is close to resigning with NBC for way bigger bucks.

--Improves basketball, baseball, lacrosse, etc...competition.

--Has access to ACC minor bowl bids.

--Will play lots of games in all sports in the Southeast (recruiting help).

--Has Orange Bowl access for perhaps 2/10 years.

--Moves its hockey team to Hockey East and signs with NBC Sports to televise every home game.

--Keeps scheduling control over 7 football games per year.

I think that ND has done ok in realignment so far. I would put it in the "winner" column right now.

Notre Dame is merely trying to salvage their independence. They succeeded in staying independent in football. So if that counts as a win, then they're a winner. But IMO they merely changed conferences for their Olympic sports, and were forced to give up a bit of their football independence to do so. It's not really a win. But they didn't lose either...

That makes ND a winner in the realignment sweepstakes all by itself.

I think the ACC is a better conference for baseball than the old Big East by a lot.

I think that it is better in basketball and lacrosse, as well.

The ACC bowls options are better than the Big East ones, too.

I agree across the board it is a better for the Olympic Sports.

But we gave up a lot, for the first time in our history someone is picking a large chunk of our schedule. Quasi-independence is the way I view it now. 125 years of our history and never have we allowed a conference dictate who we play. That is till this agreement was signed. It was and is still a little sad to me.