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RE: Realignment Summary
(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  For all of the hundreds of millions of dollars thrown around in entrance fees, exit fees, tournament credits, etc., what has been the result.

1. When the BCS began, there were 63 AQ football programs in 6 conferences. When the BCS moves into its new phase in 2014, there will be 65.

2. Winners? Utah, TCU, and Louisville have moved into the Power 5 from non-AQ leagues where they were in the 1990's.

When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this. 01-wingedeagle
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RE: Realignment Summary
Winners: TCU (upgrades), Iowa State and Baylor (maintain their status for now)
Losers: Kansas, KSU, OSU, TT (diminished conference)
TBD: UT, OU (although both will always be well-positioned)
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RE: Realignment Summary
Depends on when you look at it. Consolidation started before the creation of the BCS.

In 1992, you had

8 in the SWC
12 in the SEC
8 in the Big 8
10 in the PAC 10
11 in the Big 10
9 in the ACC
8 in the Big East
+ Notre Dame

That's 67 schools.

Each had access to traditional New Years Bowls.

The net change? Temple, Rice, Houston and SMU lost their spots. Louisville and Utah gained spots.

USF and UConn and Cincy had a cup of coffee and fell out. TCU lost its spot but earned it back.
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RE: Realignment Summary
(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  For all of the hundreds of millions of dollars thrown around in entrance fees, exit fees, tournament credits, etc., what has been the result.

1. When the BCS began, there were 63 AQ football programs in 6 conferences. When the BCS moves into its new phase in 2014, there will be 65.

2. Winners? Utah, TCU, and Louisville have moved into the Power 5 from non-AQ leagues where they were in the 1990's.

When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this. 01-wingedeagle

No. They traded a good basketball conference for a GREAT basketball conference and a crap football conference for a better football conference. Overall they are in a better position than they were before the BCS, they should be thankful for where they are because no one else wants them. They can always go back to the A-10 football conference if they want. 05-stirthepot
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RE: Realignment Summary
(03-10-2013 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  For all of the hundreds of millions of dollars thrown around in entrance fees, exit fees, tournament credits, etc., what has been the result.

1. When the BCS began, there were 63 AQ football programs in 6 conferences. When the BCS moves into its new phase in 2014, there will be 65.

2. Winners? Utah, TCU, and Louisville have moved into the Power 5 from non-AQ leagues where they were in the 1990's.

When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this. 01-wingedeagle

No. They traded a good basketball conference for a GREAT basketball conference and a crap football conference for a better football conference. Overall they are in a better position than they were before the BCS, they should be thankful for where they are because no one else wants them. They can always go back to the A-10 football conference if they want. 05-stirthepot

Huh?

UConn traded off a "good basketball conference" (Big East) for "a great basketball conference" (America 12)??? 01-wingedeagle

What planet are you living on? That "good" conference gave UConn a platform from which to launch 3 national championship runs, a record matched by no one else in the country in that same period.

The America 12 doesn't have a single other team that has won a national championship in the past 50 years (1963 - 2012) while 3 other Big East teams won national championships in the league's history while the recent, expanded version of the conference added the Louisville pedigree of 2 championships in the past 35 years to the others.

The America 12 is an enormous step down in basketball and that's extremely disappointing for UConn basketball fans. America 12 football is mediocre and wasn't worth the trade off as far as my interests are concerned.
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RE: Realignment Summary
(03-10-2013 09:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-10-2013 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  For all of the hundreds of millions of dollars thrown around in entrance fees, exit fees, tournament credits, etc., what has been the result.

1. When the BCS began, there were 63 AQ football programs in 6 conferences. When the BCS moves into its new phase in 2014, there will be 65.

2. Winners? Utah, TCU, and Louisville have moved into the Power 5 from non-AQ leagues where they were in the 1990's.

When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this. 01-wingedeagle

No. They traded a good basketball conference for a GREAT basketball conference and a crap football conference for a better football conference. Overall they are in a better position than they were before the BCS, they should be thankful for where they are because no one else wants them. They can always go back to the A-10 football conference if they want. 05-stirthepot

Huh?

UConn traded off a "good basketball conference" (Big East) for "a great basketball conference" (America 12)??? 01-wingedeagle

What planet are you living on? That "good" conference gave UConn a platform from which to launch 3 national championship runs, a record matched by no one else in the country in that same period.

The America 12 doesn't have a single other team that has won a national championship in the past 50 years (1963 - 2012) while 3 other Big East teams won national championships in the league's history while the recent, expanded version of the conference added the Louisville pedigree of 2 championships in the past 35 years to the others.

The America 12 is an enormous step down in basketball and that's extremely disappointing for UConn basketball fans. America 12 football is mediocre and wasn't worth the trade off as far as my interests are concerned.

If UConn (and Cincy) are not eventually invited to ACC, I would beg Big East for a basketball invitation and go independent in football. At least save the basketball.
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RE: Realignment Summary
The biggest winner in all of this consolidation has been the ACC.

Before they added Florida St, that league had 2 New Years Bowl teams from the early 1960s to the late 1980s: Maryland in the 1977 Cotton Bowl and Clemson in the Orange Bowl in 1982.

Just a pathetic football conference for decades.
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(03-10-2013 10:33 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  The biggest winner in all of this consolidation has been the ACC.

Before they added Florida St, that league had 2 New Years Bowl teams from the early 1960s to the late 1980s: Maryland in the 1977 Cotton Bowl and Clemson in the Orange Bowl in 1982.

Just a pathetic football conference for decades.

You are absolutely correct.
When the ACC was formed the university Presidents voted to de-emphasize football. The ACC was 20 years behind everyone in the country.
The ACC then instituted a plan which was the brainchild of the late Tom Mickle who was an assistant commissioner in the ACC office and later the Director of the Citrus Bowl to elevate ACC football and have its champion play on New Years day. Mickle was the "father of the bowl alliance" later know as the BCS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01891.html
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Realignment isn't completely over yet so there may be a surprise move yet like UConn to the C7. If UConn can get into the C7 while staying in the A12 in football they may get a pass.

Also Temple has moved from a second tier G5 situation (MAC/A10) to a first tier G5 (America 12) its a step up overall in budgets that its competing with.

Cincinnati and South Florida while taking a pay cut may end up winning more games in the A12, running away with the league in early years. Both schools are in a conference now with schools that are on their level athletically and not a wrung above it (WVU, Pitt, Syracuse in particular).

Losers:

The left behind schools of CUSA (UTEP, UAB, USM, Marshall, Rice, Tulsa?) have dropped from a league that was 1st tier non-AQ along with the MWC to a 2nd tier G5 equivalent to the SBC. As I was showing with the Sagarin comparision all the league's fire power (with the exception of Tulsa) has moved to the A12.

UMass was robbed of a power basketball conference by the impending C7 raid so I would have to put them down as a loser. Plus the move to the MAC in football has been a disaster with Temple's swift return to the A12.

Arkansas State is getting screwed with the loss of MTSU and probably WKU. The replacement schools like Georgia Southern and Appalachian State do nothing for them from a rivalry perspective. They would be a better replacement candidate for Tulsa than WKU, IMO because you could put A-State in CUSA West quite comfortably.
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I think CUSA fans are much like the WAC a decade before, living in the past thinking its still the same brand name. The WAC existed as the 1st tier non-AQ league in the West before being gutted.

Non-AQ Power Structure before realignment:

1st Tier: Mountain West, Conference USA
2nd Tier: MAC, WAC, SBC

G5 Power Structure after realignment:

1st Tier: Mountain West, America 12
2nd Tier: MAC, CUSA, SBC

While Tallgrass doesn't want to admit it, losing Memphis, Houton, Tulane, SMU and ECU to the A12 is like watching the Airport 5 leave the MWC.

The Airport 5 invited UNM, UNLV, SDSU to come along. The A12 has in addition to the CUSA defectors UC, UConn, Temple and Navy. Its a very similar end result to the MWC formation as CUSA schools in some cases are leaving behind a league they played in for 20 years.
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RE: Realignment Summary
(03-10-2013 09:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-10-2013 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  For all of the hundreds of millions of dollars thrown around in entrance fees, exit fees, tournament credits, etc., what has been the result.

1. When the BCS began, there were 63 AQ football programs in 6 conferences. When the BCS moves into its new phase in 2014, there will be 65.

2. Winners? Utah, TCU, and Louisville have moved into the Power 5 from non-AQ leagues where they were in the 1990's.

When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this. 01-wingedeagle

No. They traded a good basketball conference for a GREAT basketball conference and a crap football conference for a better football conference. Overall they are in a better position than they were before the BCS, they should be thankful for where they are because no one else wants them. They can always go back to the A-10 football conference if they want. 05-stirthepot

Huh?

UConn traded off a "good basketball conference" (Big East) for "a great basketball conference" (America 12)??? 01-wingedeagle

What planet are you living on? That "good" conference gave UConn a platform from which to launch 3 national championship runs, a record matched by no one else in the country in that same period.

The America 12 doesn't have a single other team that has won a national championship in the past 50 years (1963 - 2012) while 3 other Big East teams won national championships in the league's history while the recent, expanded version of the conference added the Louisville pedigree of 2 championships in the past 35 years to the others.

The America 12 is an enormous step down in basketball and that's extremely disappointing for UConn basketball fans. America 12 football is mediocre and wasn't worth the trade off as far as my interests are concerned.

UConn traded a good conf (BE pre 2003) for a great conf (BE post 2003).
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RE: Realignment Summary
The biggest loser in all this is Brigham Young and that was all self-inflicted.

The c7 schools also lost from where they started in all this. Yes, they're getting more money than the nBE for now but thats dependent on mens basketball which doesnt generate nearly the revenue and isnt as popular as FBS football. They dont have access to the money which could come if asked to join the ACC or B12 down the road. This is as good as it gets for them. Unless basketball grows revenue and grows popularity. Its declining relative to FBS football right now ( and I love college Bb).

Georgetown, Marquette, and Villanova traded being in a conference with: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse, Cincinnati, UConn and West Virginia for one with (likely) Xavier, Creighton, and Butler. That's nowhere near an even trade. Every league has programs that are better than others, but if Providence and DePaul were in the Atlantic 10 would they be candidates for a "super league"? Im not trying to trash the c7 and I think what they're doing is the wisest move for them at this time. I just think they've lost quite a bit in this process and they don't have close to the potential to get to where they were. UConn and Cincy have potential for full shares in the ACC or B12 down the road, therefore, the "step back" taken versus the c7 isn't so bad when looking at the big picture.

The nBE will have some great bb programs too.
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The C-7 need to lure back the parasite in ND, then they can be on their merry ways. It's a slam dunk. Once UNC and FSU defect, ND is going to want the hell out of there. Bam, Big East is right there with open arms and they are back in the Garden. Maybe the BE wises up and earns a piece of the football money from ND as well. A small fraction would suffice.
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(03-09-2013 11:32 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I'd say Rutgers, like Utah, is one of the biggest winners... going from the most unstable mid-tier football conference to basically THE most stable and highest grossing conference in the country.

While doing nothing on the field or in ticket sales to earn it.

05-sosad Cry me a river. Don't hate on us just because you've been left out so far.
Not hating at all, NU wouldn't be in the Big 10 if it weren't in metro Chicago and a great academic university; but at least NU has done something on the field (3 Big 10 football titles and a 10 win season last year including 2 victories over SEC bowl teams) Rutgers has never won or shared a BE hoops title and tied for it's first BE football conference title last year. That's what I call massively underachieving considering the talent that the state has.

I'm also happy where NIU is, in a very stable conference with a strong possibility of earning a back to back BCS bowl bid.
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(03-10-2013 12:03 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(03-10-2013 09:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-10-2013 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this. 01-wingedeagle

No. They traded a good basketball conference for a GREAT basketball conference and a crap football conference for a better football conference. Overall they are in a better position than they were before the BCS, they should be thankful for where they are because no one else wants them. They can always go back to the A-10 football conference if they want. 05-stirthepot

Huh?

UConn traded off a "good basketball conference" (Big East) for "a great basketball conference" (America 12)??? 01-wingedeagle

What planet are you living on? That "good" conference gave UConn a platform from which to launch 3 national championship runs, a record matched by no one else in the country in that same period.

The America 12 doesn't have a single other team that has won a national championship in the past 50 years (1963 - 2012) while 3 other Big East teams won national championships in the league's history while the recent, expanded version of the conference added the Louisville pedigree of 2 championships in the past 35 years to the others.

The America 12 is an enormous step down in basketball and that's extremely disappointing for UConn basketball fans. America 12 football is mediocre and wasn't worth the trade off as far as my interests are concerned.

UConn traded a good conf (BE pre 2003) for a great conf (BE post 2003).

Huh?

The Big East pre-2003 was only a good conference???

When the defections occurred in the spring of 2003, the Big East was just coming off a Syracuse national championship, the league's second in 5 years (UConn '99). Only the ACC could match that.

And in the decade preceding the expansion in 2005, in addition to the 2 NC's mentioned, UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, and Providence had all had runs to the Elite 8 or beyond. This was already a tremendous basketball conference with great success on the court.

The 3 teams who left for the ACC in 2003 were all football schools, all of whom had only limited success in Big East basketball. Their departure did not diminish Big East basketball in the slightest.

As big as the additions of Marquette & Louisville were to the basketball side, the Big East was already one of the top 2 or 3 basketball leagues in the country. Expansion meant more match ups of top teams only once a year and fewer home & homes the same season. It also brought DePaul & USF along for the ride which weakened basketball as much as others strengthened it. In all, it was a wash.
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(03-10-2013 12:41 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The C-7 need to lure back the parasite in ND, then they can be on their merry ways. It's a slam dunk. Once UNC and FSU defect, ND is going to want the hell out of there. Bam, Big East is right there with open arms and they are back in the Garden. Maybe the BE wises up and earns a piece of the football money from ND as well. A small fraction would suffice.


Rutgers getting Big Ten money for mostly sucking on the field and the court forever is not being a "parasite"?

Try getting a football TV deal all on your own before you call any other school a "parasite". How much would that stand alone deal be worth?

When did Rutgers ever earn a big payday by their achievements on the field over the last 25, 50 or 100 years?

I have nothing against Rutgers and wish them well that your use of the word "parasite" is bull$hit.
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(03-10-2013 12:21 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  The biggest loser in all this is Brigham Young and that was all self-inflicted.

The c7 schools also lost from where they started in all this. Yes, they're getting more money than the nBE for now but thats dependent on mens basketball which doesnt generate nearly the revenue and isnt as popular as FBS football. They dont have access to the money which could come if asked to join the ACC or B12 down the road. This is as good as it gets for them. Unless basketball grows revenue and grows popularity. Its declining relative to FBS football right now ( and I love college Bb).

Georgetown, Marquette, and Villanova traded being in a conference with: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse, Cincinnati, UConn and West Virginia for one with (likely) Xavier, Creighton, and Butler. That's nowhere near an even trade. Every league has programs that are better than others, but if Providence and DePaul were in the Atlantic 10 would they be candidates for a "super league"? Im not trying to trash the c7 and I think what they're doing is the wisest move for them at this time. I just think they've lost quite a bit in this process and they don't have close to the potential to get to where they were. UConn and Cincy have potential for full shares in the ACC or B12 down the road, therefore, the "step back" taken versus the c7 isn't so bad when looking at the big picture.

The nBE will have some great bb programs too.

They didn't "trade" anything. Those schools left them behind with the America 12 group.

Breaking off into their own conference was a pretty good move considering their options.
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(03-10-2013 12:21 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  The biggest loser in all this is Brigham Young and that was all self-inflicted.

The c7 schools also lost from where they started in all this. Yes, they're getting more money than the nBE for now but thats dependent on mens basketball which doesnt generate nearly the revenue and isnt as popular as FBS football. They dont have access to the money which could come if asked to join the ACC or B12 down the road. This is as good as it gets for them. Unless basketball grows revenue and grows popularity. Its declining relative to FBS football right now ( and I love college Bb).

Georgetown, Marquette, and Villanova traded being in a conference with: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse, Cincinnati, UConn and West Virginia for one with (likely) Xavier, Creighton, and Butler. That's nowhere near an even trade. Every league has programs that are better than others, but if Providence and DePaul were in the Atlantic 10 would they be candidates for a "super league"? Im not trying to trash the c7 and I think what they're doing is the wisest move for them at this time. I just think they've lost quite a bit in this process and they don't have close to the potential to get to where they were. UConn and Cincy have potential for full shares in the ACC or B12 down the road, therefore, the "step back" taken versus the c7 isn't so bad when looking at the big picture.

The nBE will have some great bb programs too.

The old Big East killed you with numbers, but you only got to play those schools once a year. In the C7 Big East, each member will playing double round robin, which means more games against the top teams in the conference.

It also means that teams at or near the bottom of the conference got buried there and found it impossible to dig their way out as USF and Rutgers found out. Providence and DePaul were in the tournament the year before the conference expanded in 2005. Providence, in fact, was ranked in the top 25 that year and had been to the Elite 8 only half a dozen years or so before that. St. John's had also been to a recent Elite 8 before expansion. Those programs suffered most by the imposing numbers.

It's hard to predict how successful the C7 Big East will be. But by solidifying their brand identity, they are shooting for a niche market that could be a real winner for them. BYU is considered a valuable product because of their appeal beyond Utah to Mormons anywhere. Mormons are less than 2% of the American population while Catholics are 25%. That's a pretty big niche!

As nice as it would be for them to have Notre Dame, which I'm sure they would love, it's not exactly like they're settling for chopped liver. Xavier has had more success in the past decade on the basketball court than Notre Dame has had. Butler has had more success than Pitt. Cincinnati hasn't gotten beyond the Sweet 16 at any time in the past decade (and that only once), so what's the big loss?

I actually think that the C7 Big East has tremendous potential just as they did when they were originally formed in 1979. A slimmed down version of the Big East will be better for everyone in it by making them all more competitive. Meanwhile Syracuse, Pitt, and Notre Dame will now be battling numbers in the ACC where they are the outsiders, where it will be harder for them to maintain regional relevance, where it will be harder for them to have access to their alumni & fan base who do not live near their campuses, and where they will be battling the established ACC basketball powers.
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(03-10-2013 12:41 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The C-7 need to lure back the parasite in ND, then they can be on their merry ways. It's a slam dunk. Once UNC and FSU defect, ND is going to want the hell out of there. Bam, Big East is right there with open arms and they are back in the Garden. Maybe the BE wises up and earns a piece of the football money from ND as well. A small fraction would suffice.

What in the world made Notre Dame a parasite???

They didn't take a dime of football money and their national appeal enhanced the value of the Big East tremendously as it will the ACC. That's precisely why those 2 conferences took them on board. Do you really think that including them as a conference member was an act of charity? the number crunchers in those 2 leagues know exactly what the value of Notre Dame was/is to their leagues.

And exactly what do you think that the value of Rutgers has been to the Big East during their history in the league since you are making the contrast?

Although the C7 would probably welcome Notre Dame with open arms, I doubt that it's going that way. Notre Dame has made their choice for a variety of reasons. And I frankly do not think that the C7 Big East does not really need Notre Dame to big successful.
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(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(03-10-2013 12:41 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The C-7 need to lure back the parasite in ND, then they can be on their merry ways. It's a slam dunk. Once UNC and FSU defect, ND is going to want the hell out of there. Bam, Big East is right there with open arms and they are back in the Garden. Maybe the BE wises up and earns a piece of the football money from ND as well. A small fraction would suffice.

What in the world made Notre Dame a parasite???

They didn't take a dime of football money and their national appeal enhanced the value of the Big East tremendously as it will the ACC. That's precisely why those 2 conferences took them on board. Do you really think that including them as a conference member was an act of charity? the number crunchers in those 2 leagues know exactly what the value of Notre Dame was/is to their leagues.

And exactly what do you think that the value of Rutgers has been to the Big East during their history in the league since you are making the contrast?

Although the C7 would probably welcome Notre Dame with open arms, I doubt that it's going that way. Notre Dame has made their choice for a variety of reasons. And I frankly do not think that the C7 Big East does not really need Notre Dame to big successful.


What he and others that use the "parasite" designation really mean is that they wanted ND to sacrifice its position built up over a century and give up some of its football money so that their school could "leech" off ND's national following and take some of that money for their program which had failed to achieve sufficiently on the field to generate a large following and TV audience.

Irony.
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