(03-10-2013 09:40 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this.

No. They traded a good basketball conference for a GREAT basketball conference and a crap football conference for a better football conference. Overall they are in a better position than they were before the BCS, they should be thankful for where they are because no one else wants them. They can always go back to the A-10 football conference if they want.

Huh?

UConn traded off a "good basketball conference" (Big East) for "a great basketball conference" (America 12)???

What planet are you living on? That "good" conference gave UConn a platform from which to launch 3 national championship runs, a record matched by no one else in the country in that same period.

The America 12 doesn't have a single other team that has won a national championship in the past 50 years (1963 - 2012) while 3 other Big East teams won national championships in the league's history while the recent, expanded version of the conference added the Louisville pedigree of 2 championships in the past 35 years to the others.

The America 12 is an enormous step down in basketball and that's extremely disappointing for UConn basketball fans. America 12 football is mediocre and wasn't worth the trade off as far as my interests are concerned.

If UConn (and Cincy) are not eventually invited to ACC, I would beg Big East for a basketball invitation and go independent in football. At least save the basketball.

I have to agree with this if you are in it for the BB or just the money, as it sounds like you think would be only of importance in this situation.

(03-10-2013 01:50 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 12:41 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The C-7 need to lure back the parasite in ND, then they can be on their merry ways. It's a slam dunk. Once UNC and FSU defect, ND is going to want the hell out of there. Bam, Big East is right there with open arms and they are back in the Garden. Maybe the BE wises up and earns a piece of the football money from ND as well. A small fraction would suffice.

What in the world made Notre Dame a parasite???

They didn't take a dime of football money and their national appeal enhanced the value of the Big East tremendously as it will the ACC. That's precisely why those 2 conferences took them on board. Do you really think that including them as a conference member was an act of charity? the number crunchers in those 2 leagues know exactly what the value of Notre Dame was/is to their leagues.

And exactly what do you think that the value of Rutgers has been to the Big East during their history in the league since you are making the contrast?

Although the C7 would probably welcome Notre Dame with open arms, I doubt that it's going that way. Notre Dame has made their choice for a variety of reasons. And I frankly do not think that the C7 Big East does not really need Notre Dame to big successful.

What he and others that use the "parasite" designation really mean is that they wanted ND to sacrifice its position built up over a century and give up some of its football money so that their school could "leech" off ND's national following and take some of that money for their program which had failed to achieve sufficiently on the field to generate a large following and TV audience.

Irony.

Yes, you hit the nail on the head. Envy is one of the 7 deadly sins.

Alot depends on what programs if any the A12 adds. Since Navy is coming for football only, perhaps Army will reconsider and join for football only as well. That gives the A12 the chance to add 2 hoops only programs to even out the schedule. Add VCU & George Mason or UMass and those along with Cincy, Memphis & Temple plus UConn is a very solid hoops conference.

Winners:

Gold Medals

Rutgers - Got out of the doomed Old Big East and wound up in a rock solid stable and most profitable Power League there is and did so in spite of doing absolutely nothing to earn or deserve it other than being located close to NYC.

Maryland - See above. Replace "doomed" with "shaky", "old Big East" with "new ACC" and "NYC" with "D.C."

Utah - got out of a small time money league and into a stable and profitable power league. Mostly earned it themselves with winning but special thanks to Colorado needing a travel partner.

Silver

TCU/Louisville/Pitt/WVU/Syracuse - All got out of doomed old Big East and into mostly stable and profitable power leagues. Only hiccup is that all of them exist at the pleasure of the ego-maniacal school that runs their leagues as their own personal fiefdoms. If either were ever to get bored and leave, said power leagues are on life support and may not survive.

Bronze

Colorado/Nebraska/Texas A&M - Certainly big winners in each getting into one of the 3 completely stable Power Leagues but all 3 were in a Power League before they left so their wins not as proportionally big to them as the other wins above were for those schools.

Big time losers:

Idaho/NMSU - probably not going to be in FBS much longer because no one wants them

UConn/Cincy/USF - all have tasted the success and money of being in a power league only to have it ripped out from under their feet to find themselves in CUSA 2.0

SMU/UH/Memphis/ECU etc - Thought they were finally joining a power league only to find that they are really joining a re-branded CUSA 2.0

(03-10-2013 12:21 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  The biggest loser in all this is Brigham Young and that was all self-inflicted.

The c7 schools also lost from where they started in all this. Yes, they're getting more money than the nBE for now but thats dependent on mens basketball which doesnt generate nearly the revenue and isnt as popular as FBS football. They dont have access to the money which could come if asked to join the ACC or B12 down the road. This is as good as it gets for them. Unless basketball grows revenue and grows popularity. Its declining relative to FBS football right now ( and I love college Bb).

Actually, college BBall generates as much revenue as college FBall, its just that the big piles of money flow through the NCAA tournament and only a fairly small share gets to the conference of the schools that people are tuning in to see. One piece of the action goes to schools based on number of scholarships, so basketball actually subsidizes football, the most scholarship-intensive sport.

The C7 schools only ever got a 30% share payout of TV revenue, so depending on where the Fox deal ends up, they could be doing just about as well from TV as if the Big East had signed the $130m that ESPN offered.

Of course, much of how well they do will be decided on the hardcourt, since their strength as a basketball conference will decide how many bids they get, and their performance will decide how many appearances they make per bid. A 4 bid conference with a .500 conference record would make about $12m per year from NCAA units, which would be an extra $1m per school.

Quote: Every league has programs that are better than others, but if Providence and DePaul were in the Atlantic 10 would they be candidates for a "super league"?

Certainly not for DePaul. But the C7 WERE looking at a league with (current Sagarin rating/#rank) Tulane 73.77/#150, Houston 72.47/#152, SMU 71.87/#180, so escaping into a conference where Depaul 73.34/#158 is the floor and Seton Hall 76.01/#115, St. John's 78.47/#87 and Providence 81.02/#61 would be the bottom of the conference ladder, that's a tremendous improvement ~ they've left 3/4 of the "Big TBA" cellar behind, and their cellar is mostly composed of teams that would have been in the middle of the "Big TBA" ladder.

Quote:The nBE will have some great bb programs too.

The C7 ARE the nBE (now) ~ the Big TBA will have some good BB programs, but not enough ~ UConn, UC, Temple and Memphis is only 12 marquee matchups per season, even if they rig the schedule so that their most well known programs all play each other home and away. Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, X and Butler is 20 marquee matchups home and away, and the rest of the conference includes recognizable BBall names, so the drawing power of the matchups don't drop off a cliff like they do for Big TBA basketball once you get beyond the top rank matchups.

(03-10-2013 05:14 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  Alot depends on what programs if any the A12 adds. Since Navy is coming for football only, perhaps Army will reconsider and join for football only as well. That gives the A12 the chance to add 2 hoops only programs to even out the schedule. Add VCU & George Mason or UMass and those along with Cincy, Memphis & Temple plus UConn is a very solid hoops conference.

UMass would probably want to bring its FB along rather than leave it in the MAC. But VCU / George Mason BBall only for 30% of media revenues and an equal share of NCAA units, offsetting two FB only schools, that could indeed make for a stronger BBall conference down into the middle of the ladder, which is very important for RPI and NCAA bids.

(03-10-2013 01:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Rutgers getting Big Ten money for mostly sucking on the field and the court forever is not being a "parasite"?

Try getting a football TV deal all on your own before you call any other school a "parasite". How much would that stand alone deal be worth?

When did Rutgers ever earn a big payday by their achievements on the field over the last 25, 50 or 100 years?

I have nothing against Rutgers and wish them well that your use of the word "parasite" is bull$hit.

Take your ND deep throating to another board. You won't get any love from any non-Irish fan here. Can't wait for that program to slip back into mediocrity.

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  What in the world made Notre Dame a parasite???

They didn't take a dime of football money and their national appeal enhanced the value of the Big East tremendously as it will the ACC. That's precisely why those 2 conferences took them on board. Do you really think that including them as a conference member was an act of charity? the number crunchers in those 2 leagues know exactly what the value of Notre Dame was/is to their leagues.

And exactly what do you think that the value of Rutgers has been to the Big East during their history in the league since you are making the contrast?

Although the C7 would probably welcome Notre Dame with open arms, I doubt that it's going that way. Notre Dame has made their choice for a variety of reasons. And I frankly do not think that the C7 Big East does not really need Notre Dame to big successful.

Rutgers adds 10-20 million to the nBE TV deal alone. The regional rivalries and television sets and recruiting grounds speak for themselves. Why the hell did the B1G add us in the first place? I am not pretending we are Ga Tech, but we were right there behind that first tier of B1G choices, and now we'll be making more money than them. I am sure those ACC schools that remain on the radar will join us sooner than later.

(03-09-2013 08:59 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:26 PM)RUJohnny99 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 08:35 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  For all of the hundreds of millions of dollars thrown around in entrance fees, exit fees, tournament credits, etc., what has been the result.

1. When the BCS began, there were 63 AQ football programs in 6 conferences. When the BCS moves into its new phase in 2014, there will be 65.

2. Winners? Utah, TCU, and Louisville have moved into the Power 5 from non-AQ leagues where they were in the 1990's.

When the BCS began, UConn was a IAA & USF was a 1 year old startup. They are both better off in a new CUSA than where they were in 1998.

There were 112 IA schools in 1998. Besides UConn & USF, There are 10 or 11 other schools who are better off in FBS than FCS.

UConn traded off a better basketball conference for a better football conference. Now they're in a mediocre conference for both when previously they were in a great basketball conference but played bad football.

The result is that nearby rival Providence is taking in more TV money just for basketball than they are for basketball and football combined. Yup, UConn is a real winner in all this.

Comparitively speaking the extra $2M Providence is getting for TV money is peanuts. UConn's athletic budget is in the neighborhood of $65M. granted you've got a football program to run but that's Power 5 money without inclusion in a Power 5 conference.

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Winners:

Gold Medals

Rutgers - Got out of the doomed Old Big East and wound up in a rock solid stable and most profitable Power League there is and did so in spite of doing absolutely nothing to earn or deserve it other than being located close to NYC.

Maryland - See above. Replace "doomed" with "shaky", "old Big East" with "new ACC" and "NYC" with "D.C."

Utah - got out of a small time money league and into a stable and profitable power league. Mostly earned it themselves with winning but special thanks to Colorado needing a travel partner.

Silver

TCU/Louisville/Pitt/WVU/Syracuse - All got out of doomed old Big East and into mostly stable and profitable power leagues. Only hiccup is that all of them exist at the pleasure of the ego-maniacal school that runs their leagues as their own personal fiefdoms. If either were ever to get bored and leave, said power leagues are on life support and may not survive.

Bronze

Colorado/Nebraska/Texas A&M - Certainly big winners in each getting into one of the 3 completely stable Power Leagues but all 3 were in a Power League before they left so their wins not as proportionally big to them as the other wins above were for those schools.

Big time losers:

Idaho/NMSU - probably not going to be in FBS much longer because no one wants them

UConn/Cincy/USF - all have tasted the success and money of being in a power league only to have it ripped out from under their feet to find themselves in CUSA 2.0

SMU/UH/Memphis/ECU etc - Thought they were finally joining a power league only to find that they are really joining a re-branded CUSA 2.0

Disagree Completely. Not sure how you put the nBE schools on the same plain as NMSU/Idaho. Memphis & ECU would be a big time Loser if we were still in CUSA. I can't speak too much for Houston & SMU b/c I frankly think they're in a geographic pickle.

Talk to just about any ECU fan and it's pretty fair to say the concensus is bronze or maybe silver plated bronze. Many of us HATED CUSA almost from day 1. We (out leadership) knew full well we weren't moving into a power league but it was worth it to NOT stay in CUSA anymore. You probably won't understand it but we were developing a good rivalry with UCF. Our fans would much rather play UCF, USF, Temple, Memphis, Cincy & UConn than anything left in CUSA, sans Southern Miss. For that fact alone it made a lot of sense from the ticket revenue standpoint.

(03-11-2013 09:27 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Rutgers getting Big Ten money for mostly sucking on the field and the court forever is not being a "parasite"?

Try getting a football TV deal all on your own before you call any other school a "parasite". How much would that stand alone deal be worth?

When did Rutgers ever earn a big payday by their achievements on the field over the last 25, 50 or 100 years?

I have nothing against Rutgers and wish them well that your use of the word "parasite" is bull$hit.

Take your ND deep throating to another board. You won't get any love from any non-Irish fan here. Can't wait for that program to slip back into mediocrity.

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  What in the world made Notre Dame a parasite???

They didn't take a dime of football money and their national appeal enhanced the value of the Big East tremendously as it will the ACC. That's precisely why those 2 conferences took them on board. Do you really think that including them as a conference member was an act of charity? the number crunchers in those 2 leagues know exactly what the value of Notre Dame was/is to their leagues.

And exactly what do you think that the value of Rutgers has been to the Big East during their history in the league since you are making the contrast?

Although the C7 would probably welcome Notre Dame with open arms, I doubt that it's going that way. Notre Dame has made their choice for a variety of reasons. And I frankly do not think that the C7 Big East does not really need Notre Dame to big successful.

Rutgers adds 10-20 million to the nBE TV deal alone. The regional rivalries and television sets and recruiting grounds speak for themselves. Why the hell did the B1G add us in the first place? I am not pretending we are Ga Tech, but we were right there behind that first tier of B1G choices, and now we'll be making more money than them. I am sure those ACC schools that remain on the radar will join us sooner than later.

Where in the world did you come up with that number?

The Big Ten took Rutgers because its a good institutional fit and will be an asset to the CIC. On the athletic side, they have badly wanted to get into the NY market for years because of the number of Big Ten alums in the region and because of the draw of Penn State football in the NY market. They didn't bite at Rutgers the first time around because its athletics are so shaky and because success has been spotty at best. They finally decided it was worth the gamble, but its not because RU athletics by themselves bring much value.

(03-11-2013 09:27 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 01:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Rutgers getting Big Ten money for mostly sucking on the field and the court forever is not being a "parasite"?

Try getting a football TV deal all on your own before you call any other school a "parasite". How much would that stand alone deal be worth?

When did Rutgers ever earn a big payday by their achievements on the field over the last 25, 50 or 100 years?

I have nothing against Rutgers and wish them well that your use of the word "parasite" is bull$hit.

Take your ND deep throating to another board. You won't get any love from any non-Irish fan here. Can't wait for that program to slip back into mediocrity.

(03-10-2013 01:45 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  What in the world made Notre Dame a parasite???

They didn't take a dime of football money and their national appeal enhanced the value of the Big East tremendously as it will the ACC. That's precisely why those 2 conferences took them on board. Do you really think that including them as a conference member was an act of charity? the number crunchers in those 2 leagues know exactly what the value of Notre Dame was/is to their leagues.

And exactly what do you think that the value of Rutgers has been to the Big East during their history in the league since you are making the contrast?

Although the C7 would probably welcome Notre Dame with open arms, I doubt that it's going that way. Notre Dame has made their choice for a variety of reasons. And I frankly do not think that the C7 Big East does not really need Notre Dame to big successful.

Rutgers adds 10-20 million to the nBE TV deal alone. The regional rivalries and television sets and recruiting grounds speak for themselves. Why the hell did the B1G add us in the first place? I am not pretending we are Ga Tech, but we were right there behind that first tier of B1G choices, and now we'll be making more money than them. I am sure those ACC schools that remain on the radar will join us sooner than later.

Snappy comeback.

Mediocrity?

You mean better than Rutgers has been in the last 125 years?

(03-11-2013 01:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Snappy comeback.

Mediocrity?

You mean better than Rutgers has been in the last 125 years?

I never pretended that Rutgers was ND on the field. But to downplay the Irish as parasites, when that is what they have been since the 80's, goes without saying. They have leeched on "affiliate" conferences for years. Nobody gives a damn about their Olympic sports. They schedule maybe a couple of Big East teams a year, in their own building, or a neutral venue because they are "too big" to play at the other school's stadium, and give back nothing in return. They are the epitome of what's wrong with college football. Who gives a **** about anyone else but ourselves? So get lost. I am sure the ACC will get tired of the old hag after tapping that ass for a few years.

(03-09-2013 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  New Mexico State and Idaho were losers... They both mocked the SBC when they left

Temple is a loser... in football as there is concern mid-week required home football games will hurt attendance badly and Nbe's low money TV contract is not sufficient to make up lost attendance.

ODU, Charlotte, FIU, FAU, UNT, UTSA, La Tech, and Middle Tennessee are winners, joining CUSA and moving up to being an equivalent to Nbe/A12 and MWC.

A bungling Nbe/A12 made Boise State a winner, with enhanced ESPN telecasts and potentially more tv monies within MWC.

Another heroic post brought to you by the brave posters of the glorious National Communist C-USA Peoples Football League, winners of the Dear Leaders National Championship Football Poll continuously since its inception. Once again it appears that our mighty People's C-USA football dynasty is setting up for another glorious year of all out war pounding down the Yankee running dog America-12 imperialist scum.

Temple is in a worse spot compared to the 1996-2004 era, but is in a much better spot than it has been since 2005.

Did NMSU and Idaho really "mock" the Sun Belt? Examples, please.

The C-USA of 2014 and beyond will Not be "an equivalent" (financially or competitively) to the A12 or the Mtn. Even Trollgrass cannot possibly be so stupid as to believe that it will be.

Boise State is a winner because it has done the necessary work over a period of many years to make its football program appealing to the media and the public. The ill-fated attempt to join the Big East neither strengthened nor weakened that process.

(03-10-2013 03:56 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:40 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:34 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  The America 12 is an enormous step down in basketball and that's extremely disappointing for UConn basketball fans. America 12 football is mediocre and wasn't worth the trade off as far as my interests are concerned.

If UConn (and Cincy) are not eventually invited to ACC, I would beg Big East for a basketball invitation and go independent in football. At least save the basketball.

I have to agree with this if you are in it for the BB or just the money, as it sounds like you think would be only of importance in this situation.

Agreed that UConn and Cincy hoops are taking a huge hit with the disintegration of the old Big East. Both schools are obviously committed to surviving at the FBS football level, and know that they cannot survive as Independents. If UConn/UC ever decide that their long-term athletic interests are better-served in the new, non-FBS Big East, then they will simply drop down to FCS football or disband the football program altogether. That seems highly unlikely to me.

Convince ESPN to increase the payout per for an 16 (17) team ACC league. That's the only way to go about it. Then ESPN can dissolve the conference. Let SMU/Houston/Tulsa go to the MWC. USF/UCF end up in the Big 12 or ACC eventually, depending on what goes on with FSU and friends. That's the only play. It's just not much of a play at this point in time.

(03-11-2013 02:38 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Convince ESPN to increase the payout per for an 16 (17) team ACC league. That's the only way to go about it. Then ESPN can dissolve the conference. Let SMU/Houston/Tulsa go to the MWC. USF/UCF end up in the Big 12 or ACC eventually, depending on what goes on with FSU and friends. That's the only play. It's just not much of a play at this point in time.

If it happens the move is likely a preemptive back-fill for a Big 10 move.

A-12 is still the best all around conference with Navy/Tulsa IMO. I think you have two power schools in Fla, potentially Texas, good markets, and a NE presence. MWC will never have anything like that going for it in a million years.

Of course I have stated that the conference needs to die in previous posts, but I am just eager for the next round of realignment. As of now, it's the best Go5 conference.

(03-11-2013 01:34 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 01:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Snappy comeback.

Mediocrity?

You mean better than Rutgers has been in the last 125 years?

I never pretended that Rutgers was ND on the field. But to downplay the Irish as parasites, when that is what they have been since the 80's, goes without saying. They have leeched on "affiliate" conferences for years. Nobody gives a damn about their Olympic sports. They schedule maybe a couple of Big East teams a year, in their own building, or a neutral venue because they are "too big" to play at the other school's stadium, and give back nothing in return. They are the epitome of what's wrong with college football. Who gives a **** about anyone else but ourselves? So get lost. I am sure the ACC will get tired of the old hag after tapping that ass for a few years.

It would be nice if the facts supported your claims, but I can't think of any that do. One of these posts, it would be nice if you included some.

You obviously have very strong feelings about Notre Dame. Beyond what would seem rational. I can't fathom your claim of "leeching". They're independent in football. What's wrong with that? Rutgers was for most of its history an independent. Were they also leeching?

(03-11-2013 03:43 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 01:34 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 01:19 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Snappy comeback.

Mediocrity?

You mean better than Rutgers has been in the last 125 years?

I never pretended that Rutgers was ND on the field. But to downplay the Irish as parasites, when that is what they have been since the 80's, goes without saying. They have leeched on "affiliate" conferences for years. Nobody gives a damn about their Olympic sports. They schedule maybe a couple of Big East teams a year, in their own building, or a neutral venue because they are "too big" to play at the other school's stadium, and give back nothing in return. They are the epitome of what's wrong with college football. Who gives a **** about anyone else but ourselves? So get lost. I am sure the ACC will get tired of the old hag after tapping that ass for a few years.

It would be nice if the facts supported your claims, but I can't think of any that do. One of these posts, it would be nice if you included some.

You obviously have very strong feelings about Notre Dame. Beyond what would seem rational. I can't fathom your claim of "leeching". They're independent in football. What's wrong with that? Rutgers was for most of its history an independent. Were they also leeching?

I am done arguing with him. He claims "nobody gives a damn about their Olympic sports" but two conferences have asked them to join knowing that football is not and will not be included.

He can think whatever he wants.

Yeah, I feel like Cincinnati has pretty much gotten screwed the most out of everyone in this realignment game...Xavier in the "Big East-lite" is just the cherry on top of a sundae of suckiness. Hopefully the program can catch a break and end up in an ACC that isn't completely picked clean by the B1G, SEC, and possibly Big 12.

(03-10-2013 12:49 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 04:12 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 12:49 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 11:32 AM)AntiG Wrote:  I'd say Rutgers, like Utah, is one of the biggest winners... going from the most unstable mid-tier football conference to basically THE most stable and highest grossing conference in the country.

While doing nothing on the field or in ticket sales to earn it.

Cry me a river. Don't hate on us just because you've been left out so far.

Not hating at all, NU wouldn't be in the Big 10 if it weren't in metro Chicago and a great academic university; but at least NU has done something on the field (3 Big 10 football titles and a 10 win season last year including 2 victories over SEC bowl teams) Rutgers has never won or shared a BE hoops title and tied for it's first BE football conference title last year. That's what I call massively underachieving considering the talent that the state has.

I'm also happy where NIU is, in a very stable conference with a strong possibility of earning a back to back BCS bowl bid.

As for ticket sales we aren't exactly drawing flies to games. Close to 50k a game is middle of the pack or top of the bottom half in the Big Ten obviously, but it fits just fine.

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