(03-10-2013 08:53 AM)panite Wrote:  Navy will not join if forced to play mid week games. It would put too much strain on the academy way of life for the players for FB especially if they had to travel.

Navy will join if they don't have to play mid week games, and the new conference keeps their hands out of the Army / Navy game, and the proceeds and TV rights to the ND game which is their other cash cow. If the new "A-12" interferes with those three things they are history. If so the "A-12" should stay at 10 teams for a while until they are firmly on their feet. It is too early to add other teams if Navy backs out. Also you will need teams to back fill for UConn and Cinn if they leave if and when realignment kicks in again just to stay at ten teams for the conference. On deck for their replacements are school like UMass, Marshall, and S. Miss.

The "A- 12" might have to look at scheduling arraignments and bowl scheduling arraignments with Navy in the future instead of membership if all of this goes down. Scheduling arraignments and bowl arraignments with Navy and Army as independents might give the "A-12" access to the Military Bowl, the Poinsettia Bowl, and the Kraft Hunger Bowl in San Francisco which are all rotated through Navy's Bowl contracts providing they have at least a 6&6 season.

This sounds vaguely familiar to the Boise deal with the MWC which everyone from the A12 ranted against. This should be interesting to watch.

(03-10-2013 09:46 AM)eaglerock Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:53 AM)panite Wrote:  Navy will not join if forced to play mid week games. It would put too much strain on the academy way of life for the players for FB especially if they had to travel.

Navy will join if they don't have to play mid week games, and the new conference keeps their hands out of the Army / Navy game, and the proceeds and TV rights to the ND game which is their other cash cow. If the new "A-12" interferes with those three things they are history. If so the "A-12" should stay at 10 teams for a while until they are firmly on their feet. It is too early to add other teams if Navy backs out. Also you will need teams to back fill for UConn and Cinn if they leave if and when realignment kicks in again just to stay at ten teams for the conference. On deck for their replacements are school like UMass, Marshall, and S. Miss.

The "A- 12" might have to look at scheduling arraignments and bowl scheduling arraignments with Navy in the future instead of membership if all of this goes down. Scheduling arraignments and bowl arraignments with Navy and Army as independents might give the "A-12" access to the Military Bowl, the Poinsettia Bowl, and the Kraft Hunger Bowl in San Francisco which are all rotated through Navy's Bowl contracts providing they have at least a 6&6 season.

This sounds vaguely familiar to the Boise deal with the MWC which everyone from the A12 ranted against. This should be interesting to watch.

An excellent point!

Army/Navy deal has been in place for decades so it is not like Boise St. It would be silly for the NBE to not let Navy keep their historical game with Army as a seperate deal. I doubt anybody in the NBE thinks they should somehow get a cut of the Army/Navy game. Boise St cut their own deal with the MWC because quite frankly they did not need the MWC but the MWC needed them and Boise St deserves more TV contract money then the rest of the MWC at this current time. If Boise St. ever has a set back and the program is not longer a hot commodity then the MWC can restructure the deal.

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

1. Tulsa was on tv 13 times last season; it wouldn't surprise me to see all Tulsa football games telecast this season. How is Nbe/A12 going to better that?

2. The Nbe/ESPN tv contract calls for all 20 games to be week nite games. Ugh!!!

3. CUSA has New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Ft. Worth Bowl, LIberty Bowl, and maybe San Antonio Bowl conveniently located close by so TU fans can drive to these bowl games. In the meantime, Nbe has lost Champs and Charlotte Bowls, the shoe is about to drop on Pinstripe, and SEC is going to dump Liberty.

4. FB Coach Bill BLankenship has put together another fine Tulsa class.

My definition of broke is playing only one conference game under its confernece ESPN contract---and then on a Wednesday nite.

Tallgrass's obsessive hatred of the "A12/WAC/NAC.....?" is hilarious in light of the fact that Tulsa is drooling at the prospect of joining in the very near future. PLEASE keep it up - very entertaining!!

(03-10-2013 11:33 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  SEC is going to dump Liberty.

If they do, the Big 12 will quickly step up. There were more than one reasons that a Big 12 school was invited this year.

(03-10-2013 11:34 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Tallgrass's obsessive hatred of the "A12/WAC/NAC.....?" is hilarious in light of the fact that Tulsa is drooling at the prospect of joining in the very near future. PLEASE keep it up - very entertaining!!

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

2007: Middle Tennessee 21, Memphis 7
2009: Middle Tennessee 31, Memphis 14
2010: Memphis 24, Middle Tennesse 17
2011: Middle Tennessee 38, Memphis 31
2012: Middle Tennessee 48, Memphis 30

2012: Texas State 30, Houston 13
2012: La Tech 56, Houston 49

So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

(03-09-2013 07:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

The new years day dallas bowl will be coming off of NYD almost certainly in 2 years when the new playoff system starts(don't see any bowls that year). Armed Forces you can kiss goodbye almost certainly. CUSA will be LUCKY to have Birmingham, St Pete, Dallas, New Orleans, and Hawaii.

Who, pray tell are going to fill the slots? The Power 5 have begun to adopt a policy of not playing in a game that matches them with a non Power 5 team. So the only candidates are MWC, CUSA, SBC or MAC. MWC doesn't travel well when going that far east. So you are saying that they will fill them with MAC or SBC?

(03-10-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:59 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  If the Military Bowl gains enough support to move it to FedEx Field then the Big5 will probably want to gobble that Bowl game up for exposure in the DC TV market.

I think the ACC will keep their tie-in, because it's pretty close to UVa, VT, Pitt, the NC schools, and drivable for Syracuse and BC. But no one else will touch it, so it will be an ACC vs Gang-of-Five bowl.

Quote:Like most on this board I think if the Big5 eliminates the Go5 from any Bowl games involving them then we should just move to a playoff for the G05 for everybody except the team that has the miracle season and goes to a BCS Bowl game.

I don't think power conference vs lower-FBS bowls will disappear, but they'll be very limited. Bowls that are perfectly located for one power conference, but can't attract a second power-conference team. Like, for example, the Military Bowl for the ACC or the Motor City Bowl for the Big Ten. It's an ideal or near-ideal location for one conference, but you're not going to get many Clemson fans to Detroit or Michigan State fans to DC in late December.

This would also be how the Aresco League keeps the Liberty Bowl--the Big 12 would rather have their last pick play in Dallas vs CUSA's champion than go to an old outdoor stadium in Memphis, while the SEC would rather have their last pick play the Aresco League champion in Memphis than go to an old outdoor stadium in Dallas. And add a couple of PAC vs MWC bowls in Hawaii and Las Vegas to the list.

You obviously haven't listened to Mike Slive lately. The SEC has made it policy, no bowl contracts with bowls where they play a not AQ (now Non Power 5) conference team.

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

(03-10-2013 06:17 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 09:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:59 AM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  If the Military Bowl gains enough support to move it to FedEx Field then the Big5 will probably want to gobble that Bowl game up for exposure in the DC TV market.

I think the ACC will keep their tie-in, because it's pretty close to UVa, VT, Pitt, the NC schools, and drivable for Syracuse and BC. But no one else will touch it, so it will be an ACC vs Gang-of-Five bowl.

Quote:Like most on this board I think if the Big5 eliminates the Go5 from any Bowl games involving them then we should just move to a playoff for the G05 for everybody except the team that has the miracle season and goes to a BCS Bowl game.

I don't think power conference vs lower-FBS bowls will disappear, but they'll be very limited. Bowls that are perfectly located for one power conference, but can't attract a second power-conference team. Like, for example, the Military Bowl for the ACC or the Motor City Bowl for the Big Ten. It's an ideal or near-ideal location for one conference, but you're not going to get many Clemson fans to Detroit or Michigan State fans to DC in late December.

This would also be how the Aresco League keeps the Liberty Bowl--the Big 12 would rather have their last pick play in Dallas vs CUSA's champion than go to an old outdoor stadium in Memphis, while the SEC would rather have their last pick play the Aresco League champion in Memphis than go to an old outdoor stadium in Dallas. And add a couple of PAC vs MWC bowls in Hawaii and Las Vegas to the list.

You obviously haven't listened to Mike Slive lately. The SEC has made it policy, no bowl contracts with bowls where they play a not AQ (now Non Power 5) conference team.

Has he SAID that, or is that a conclusion we're drawing?

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

You mean like that bigtime win against Iowa State you guys had last year? If you're using Iowa State as your BCS benchmark, that dog don't hunt either. You run around on these boards, blathering about anything that is negative against the nBE. Pray tell, what is the source of this angst? That CUSA was taken apart, or that Tulsa wasn't invited first? I am actually a big fan of the Tulsa program and most of their fanbase. You're an exception. If you even TRIED to be objective, i'd give your drivel some consideration.

You might want to go to the little girls room, your nose needs powdering.

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

It's funny - you are quick to sift through info to pick out the potential positives for C-USA and its new members and claim them as fact, but are also just as quick to pick out the potential negatives of the Big East and claim them as fact.

I'd be willing to bet that C-USA will not end up as awesome as you're making it seem and that the Big East will not end up in gloom and doom as you're making it seem.

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 05:37 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  So your trying to claim that the new version of CUSA, one filled with schools that this conference wouldn't have touched two years ago, is better than the last version. It's nice that you were able go pull six game scores from the last five years as your foundation. But that's akin to pulling up a few game scores where 1aa's beat BCS schools and using g it as proof that a super CAA/Big South conference could hang with the ACC. Every game played by my local d3 school is on TV too, but nobody can find the channel. It truly sounds to me that you are more concerned about your ability to drive to away/bowl games, than whether Tulsa is able to get a shot at moving up.

CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE