I want to re-emphasize a point that I think keeps getting lost all the time. If there is going to be any progress for NonAQs, it it going to take a coordinated and cooperative effort by all NonAQ teams and conferences based primarily on the support and sympathy of the general public. The only reason NonAQs have a slot today is that Tulane Prez raised holy heck...

I regard UCF as the prize addition to the Nbe/A12. I put an article on this board about SEC resisting playing UCF in the Liberty Bowl....made everyone made. There goes Tallgrass again! All he does is flame on this board! But, today, we see where 4 BCS conferences are getting together to insure they don't have to play a NonAQ in the bowls.

This Nbe/A12 realignment circus is wasted time and energy. The BCS train is picking up steam and steam rolling NonAQ. The measley $1.8M contact more than justifies BCS saying these NonAQ guyz are worthless and trying to take "our" money.

Remember when the Aresco and Nbe/A12 boyz were claiming BCS was going to set up a "special" bowl for just the Nbe? Good gracious! How out of touch from reality can one get! Today, SEC is dumping LIberty Bowl and Birmingham BOwl, BCS is taking over former BE bowls Charlotte and Champs and, undoubtedly, the shoe is waiting to fall on Pinstripe. Past is prologue. MWC lost Holiday, Copper, and Freedom Bowls after pronouncing themselves "elite" after Denver Airport Meeting.

Nbe/A12 has failed so badly that the new justification (how many have there been?) that it would have been worse being stuck in CUSA. Really? This is a self-inflicted indicement, because Nbe/A12 is CUSA. It is like a dog chasing its tail and then asking the dog why are you chasing your tail? And the dog answers, it I didn't chase it, the tail would have gotten away.

One more step needs to happen. THe Nbe bowls need to fall apart and the Nbe must be brought around to its senses. The MWC/CUSA alliance came about only because the "elite" MWC had deteoriated to the point it had no choice. Given its good basketball and the retention of BOise, the MWC obviously will not do an alliance with anyone.

But the failed Nbe/A12 should now cooperate and coordinate with CUSA. Undoubtedly, these two conferences will be playing a lot of nonconfernece games and bowls with each other. The trick is to make it into something more. With BCS conferences going to 9 conference games insure that Nbe and CUSA will be playing a lot of nonconference football games against each other.

Nbe/A12 is lucky CUSA remains strong. SEC and B12 are getting together and playing a "Champs" Bowl plus it appears another bowl or two. CUSA and Nbe/A12 cannot match that. But it can work together to combine their audience and assets to be something more than what they are now--NonAQ roadkill.

I gotta feeling both the MWC & Aresco -12 will also be going to 9 games. Why would those two leagues with the best of bad media deals do any favors for C-USA/Sunbelt/MAC. It about SOS and highest ranked and really if they are stuck there for the near future it going to be Boise State vs. Cincinnati for that Access Slot.

"The only reason NonAQs have a slot today is that Tulane Prez raised holy heck..."

Actually the NIU prez had a substantial part in that too.

True, NIU had a say as well...but really this "work'n together" just isn't gonna fly. Everyone has their own self interest to protect.

(03-12-2013 08:58 AM)Maize Wrote:  True, NIU had a say as well...but really this "work'n together" just isn't gonna fly. Everyone has their own self interest to protect.

...The MAC wasn't getting any access to the access bowls without all the other non-AQs. Our Prez knew that it would have to include all of us little guys.

(03-12-2013 08:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  I want to re-emphasize a point that I think keeps getting lost all the time. If there is going to be any progress for NonAQs, it it going to take a coordinated and cooperative effort by all NonAQ teams and conferences based primarily on the support and sympathy of the general public. The only reason NonAQs have a slot today is that Tulane Prez raised holy heck...

I regard UCF as the prize addition to the Nbe/A12. I put an article on this board about SEC resisting playing UCF in the Liberty Bowl....made everyone made. There goes Tallgrass again! All he does is flame on this board! But, today, we see where 4 BCS conferences are getting together to insure they don't have to play a NonAQ in the bowls.

This Nbe/A12 realignment circus is wasted time and energy. The BCS train is picking up steam and steam rolling NonAQ. The measley $1.8M contact more than justifies BCS saying these NonAQ guyz are worthless and trying to take "our" money.

Remember when the Aresco and Nbe/A12 boyz were claiming BCS was going to set up a "special" bowl for just the Nbe? Good gracious! How out of touch from reality can one get! Today, SEC is dumping LIberty Bowl and Birmingham BOwl, BCS is taking over former BE bowls Charlotte and Champs and, undoubtedly, the shoe is waiting to fall on Pinstripe. Past is prologue. MWC lost Holiday, Copper, and Freedom Bowls after pronouncing themselves "elite" after Denver Airport Meeting.

Nbe/A12 has failed so badly that the new justification (how many have there been?) that it would have been worse being stuck in CUSA. Really? This is a self-inflicted indicement, because Nbe/A12 is CUSA. It is like a dog chasing its tail and then asking the dog why are you chasing your tail? And the dog answers, it I didn't chase it, the tail would have gotten away.

One more step needs to happen. THe Nbe bowls need to fall apart and the Nbe must be brought around to its senses. The MWC/CUSA alliance came about only because the "elite" MWC had deteoriated to the point it had no choice. Given its good basketball and the retention of BOise, the MWC obviously will not do an alliance with anyone.

But the failed Nbe/A12 should now cooperate and coordinate with CUSA. Undoubtedly, these two conferences will be playing a lot of nonconfernece games and bowls with each other. The trick is to make it into something more. With BCS conferences going to 9 conference games insure that Nbe and CUSA will be playing a lot of nonconference football games against each other.

Nbe/A12 is lucky CUSA remains strong. SEC and B12 are getting together and playing a "Champs" Bowl plus it appears another bowl or two. CUSA and Nbe/A12 cannot match that. But it can work together to combine their audience and assets to be something more than what they are now--NonAQ roadkill.

Don't care what you want. Don't be so ******* selfish.

Not sure I want to take advice from anyone who uses the phrase "Good gracious". JK!

There is a reality here... but it's not set in stone. Keep fighting for the best possible bowls, TV$$... try to keep recruiting hard, try to win OOC. What's the alternative, to give up?

The A12 is in competition with the other non-AQ... for everything. The A12 is in too strong a position to 'give up' and relegate itself to SBC or cUSA status. The Big East was basically tweener before, as the 'worst' of the AQ. If we're 'best' of the non-AQ (time will tell...), the positions have not changed much.

SEC is dumping the Liberty and BBVA Compass bowl? Link?

On the point of the power leagues not wanting to play a non AQ team in their bowls, can you really blame them? Do you think FSU really wanted to play NIU in the Orange Bowl? Do you think Oklahoma wanted to play Boise in 2006? I think it's great when an AQ makes it but there's little to gain from the power leagues' standpoint. If they win then nobody cares because they're supposed to win. If they lose it's an embarrassment to the school and the conference.

I think the disparity between the power leagues and everyone else is bound to happen regardless of the rules. The teams at the top simply make way too much money and the teams at the bottom simply don't have the resources to compete. It's unfair to the Texases and Ohio States to have to split money with the Tulanes and Wake Forests and Rice's of the world. The teams in the middle get screwed to a certain extent. It will never truly be a level playing field.

Mike Slive does not want the SEC playing any Non AQ teams in bowls and would love to get away from playing them period. That problem there is who is Bama going to use for OOC chump games to get that undefeated season every year

(03-12-2013 08:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Nbe/A12 is lucky CUSA remains strong.

Again, I ask you, "Strong" by what standard?

Quote:SEC and B12 are getting together and playing a "Champs" Bowl plus it appears another bowl or two. CUSA and Nbe/A12 cannot match that. But it can work together to combine their audience and assets to be something more than what they are now--NonAQ roadkill.

Combine their audience, it's still close enough to zero to not matter. They're both lower-FBS leagues that TV only wants for filler games.

Even if you waved a magic wand and made the existing lower-FBS TV contracts go away, and the Gang of Five sold their games as a combined package, ESPN could just show FCS games and it wouldn't change their ratings or revenues very much. If Temple-Ohio got 1 million viewers on ESPN on a Tuesday in November 2011, I think if they showed Montana-Eastern Washington or Villanova-Delaware instead, you'd get a pretty similar number.

(03-12-2013 08:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Remember when the Aresco and Nbe/A12 boyz were claiming BCS was going to set up a "special" bowl for just the Nbe? Good gracious! How out of touch from reality can one get! ............. Nbe/A12 is lucky CUSA remains strong.................

Classic.

(03-12-2013 09:49 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Remember when the Aresco and Nbe/A12 boyz were claiming BCS was going to set up a "special" bowl for just the Nbe? Good gracious! How out of touch from reality can one get! ............. Nbe/A12 is lucky CUSA remains strong.................

Classic.

How many times do I need to post Middle Tennessee/Memphis scores? Do you guyz ever learn anything?

(03-12-2013 08:54 AM)Maize Wrote:  I gotta feeling both the MWC & Aresco -12 will also be going to 9 games. Why would those two leagues with the best of bad media deals do any favors for C-USA/Sunbelt/MAC. It about SOS and highest ranked and really if they are stuck there for the near future it going to be Boise State vs. Cincinnati for that Access Slot.

Couldn't have been said any better....

(03-12-2013 01:33 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 09:49 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 08:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Remember when the Aresco and Nbe/A12 boyz were claiming BCS was going to set up a "special" bowl for just the Nbe? Good gracious! How out of touch from reality can one get! ............. Nbe/A12 is lucky CUSA remains strong.................

Classic.

How many times do I need to post Middle Tennessee/Memphis scores? Do you guyz ever learn anything?

You haven't stated your metric by which CUSA is "strong." Is it, by any chance, "whupped Memphis in football"?

(03-12-2013 09:44 AM)Eagleweiser Wrote:  Mike Slive does not want the SEC playing any Non AQ teams in bowls and would love to get away from playing them period. That problem there is who is Bama going to use for OOC chump games to get that undefeated season every year

Ideal SEC OOC schedule:
1 "high-profile" opponent (Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, etc.)
1 "medium" BCS opponent (Arizona State, TCU, Louisville, Rutgers, etc.)
1 FCS opponent and 1 Sun Belt, C-USA-type opponent, or 0 FCS and 2 Belt/C-USA

SEC, B1G, and PAC will -- if they have no other choice -- send one of their 6-6, 7-5-type teams to play a league-champion from Mtn. or Aresco League. Possibility of winning to restore confidence to a 6-6 type team in a down year; possibility of loss can be shrugged off ("well they beat one of our crappy teams"). I don't think they would play a C-USA/MAC/Sun Belt team under any circumstances in a bowl game. But we'll see.