(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Seems unnecessary to make a list that long just to have an excuse to say no to NMSU, Karl.

NMSU will be invited to the Sun Belt if and ONLY if the Sun Belt thinks that NMSU adds more net value to the Belt than a FCS moveup.

I think Benson is doing two things with the 20 teams comment. He is simply stating the obvious, that the Belt is not going to end up in a WAC situation. And unfortunately, he wants to get the Belt to 12 teams and have CCG.

I don't think we need to go bigger than 8 or 9. The BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team. Something to remember.

I'm surprised JMU turned down what may be their only chance to move up in the next 30 years, if those reports are to be believed. Unless they think the MAC is gonna go huge and take them and UD in one bite. But remember, the BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team.

The realignment moves appear to be settling down for a while. This may be the last set of moves for a couple of years.

(03-12-2013 10:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Seems unnecessary to make a list that long just to have an excuse to say no to NMSU, Karl.

NMSU will be invited to the Sun Belt if and ONLY if the Sun Belt thinks that NMSU adds more net value to the Belt than a FCS moveup.

I think Benson is doing two things with the 20 teams comment. He is simply stating the obvious, that the Belt is not going to end up in a WAC situation. And unfortunately, he wants to get the Belt to 12 teams and have CCG.

I don't think we need to go bigger than 8 or 9. The BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team. Something to remember.

I'm surprised JMU turned down what may be their only chance to move up in the next 30 years, if those reports are to be believed. Unless they think the MAC is gonna go huge and take them and UD in one bite. But remember, the BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team.

The realignment moves appear to be settling down for a while. This may be the last set of moves for a couple of years.

The sun belt will end up with more than 8 as it is too risky to go beyond the June 1 deadline being that exposed to a another raid. I think the SB only adds App St and Ga Southern as the NMSU travel and horrible football are too much to deal with at this point. If the SB gets raided again they can quickly add NMSU as they will not have to transition.

The story they will give is that the 10/12 format is the chosen model. We went to 10 by adding App and Ga Southern. With WKU leaving and putting us back at 9, we will continue to evaluate or options.

(03-12-2013 10:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Seems unnecessary to make a list that long just to have an excuse to say no to NMSU, Karl.

NMSU will be invited to the Sun Belt if and ONLY if the Sun Belt thinks that NMSU adds more net value to the Belt than a FCS moveup.

I think Benson is doing two things with the 20 teams comment. He is simply stating the obvious, that the Belt is not going to end up in a WAC situation. And unfortunately, he wants to get the Belt to 12 teams and have CCG.

I don't think we need to go bigger than 8 or 9. The BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team. Something to remember.

I'm surprised JMU turned down what may be their only chance to move up in the next 30 years, if those reports are to be believed. Unless they think the MAC is gonna go huge and take them and UD in one bite. But remember, the BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team.

The realignment moves appear to be settling down for a while. This may be the last set of moves for a couple of years.

Numerous reliable outlets say Big 10 wants to get to 16. When that happens we aren't going to be set because either two major conferences lose a team or one loses two and that starts the storm all over.

(03-13-2013 07:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 10:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 05:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Seems unnecessary to make a list that long just to have an excuse to say no to NMSU, Karl.

NMSU will be invited to the Sun Belt if and ONLY if the Sun Belt thinks that NMSU adds more net value to the Belt than a FCS moveup.

I think Benson is doing two things with the 20 teams comment. He is simply stating the obvious, that the Belt is not going to end up in a WAC situation. And unfortunately, he wants to get the Belt to 12 teams and have CCG.

I don't think we need to go bigger than 8 or 9. The BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team. Something to remember.

I'm surprised JMU turned down what may be their only chance to move up in the next 30 years, if those reports are to be believed. Unless they think the MAC is gonna go huge and take them and UD in one bite. But remember, the BCS payout is BY CONFERENCE, not by team.

The realignment moves appear to be settling down for a while. This may be the last set of moves for a couple of years.

Numerous reliable outlets say Big 10 wants to get to 16. When that happens we aren't going to be set because either two major conferences lose a team or one loses two and that starts the storm all over.

With the Big East's poor TV contract and the new payout system based on conference performance, I am wondering if conferences like CUSA will continue to expand. It is entirely possible CUSA may decide 12 is enough and splitting revenue with additional schools is not worth it.

Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

Enjoy your new home.

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

Agreed.

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(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

We didn't expand to 14 teams by taking 3 moveups. Please direct that to CUSA.

(03-13-2013 09:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

We didn't expand to 14 teams by taking 3 moveups. Please direct that to CUSA.

Strange to read an anti-FCS statement from a Southern Alabama fan. Quick question, how many years out of FCS are y'all?

Also, you could be taking 2-3 move ups in App, GSU, and perchance Liberty.

(03-13-2013 10:14 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

We didn't expand to 14 teams by taking 3 moveups. Please direct that to CUSA.

Strange to read an anti-FCS statement from a Southern Alabama fan. Quick question, how many years out of FCS are y'all?

Also, you could be taking 2-3 move ups in App, GSU, and perchance Liberty.

Its South Alabama and we were already full members of the league which means we can add any sport the conference sponsors that we dont play. UALR and UTA will be full members of the league without football and can add at anytime.

CUSA didnt need to go to 14 teams or to call any FCS move ups even if they did so. Instead CUSA elected not to take existing FBS programs in its footprint because, presumably, it felt that that the FCS upgrades and going to 14 was in its interests. It also added teams to stay at 14 which will cause the Sun Belt to back fill with FCS upgrades.

The poster seems to be indicating that going to 14 wasn't necessary in his opinion (why go beyond 12). I agree, but CUSA is free to do as they wish.

The Sun Belt isn't going to consider whether adding FCS upgrades makes recruiting more competitive, creates FBS market saturation in certain areas that it doesn't have an existing team, causes more competition and lower prices for FBS money games, creates competition for desirable non-conference games, or any other reason if it sees the FCS upgrades are in its interest.

The Sun Belt has offered to merge with CUSA. I wouldnt hold my breath.

(03-14-2013 12:46 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 10:14 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

We didn't expand to 14 teams by taking 3 moveups. Please direct that to CUSA.

Strange to read an anti-FCS statement from a Southern Alabama fan. Quick question, how many years out of FCS are y'all?

Also, you could be taking 2-3 move ups in App, GSU, and perchance Liberty.

Its South Alabama and we were already full members of the league which means we can add any sport the conference sponsors that we dont play. UALR and UTA will be full members of the league without football and can add at anytime.

CUSA didnt need to go to 14 teams or to call any FCS move ups even if they did so. Instead CUSA elected not to take existing FBS programs in its footprint because, presumably, it felt that that the FCS upgrades and going to 14 was in its interests. It also added teams to stay at 14 which will cause the Sun Belt to back fill with FCS upgrades.

The poster seems to be indicating that going to 14 wasn't necessary in his opinion (why go beyond 12). I agree, but CUSA is free to do as they wish.

The Sun Belt isn't going to consider whether adding FCS upgrades makes recruiting more competitive, creates FBS market saturation in certain areas that it doesn't have an existing team, causes more competition and lower prices for FBS money games, creates competition for desirable non-conference games, or any other reason if it sees the FCS upgrades are in its interest.

The Sun Belt has offered to merge with CUSA. I wouldnt hold my breath.

I think you touched on all the reasons a merger is actually in the best interests of all FBS football. I kinda wish the conferences would all get together and figure out a way to make it in the best interests of CUSA and the Sunbelt.

Maybe the other conferences could agree to allow a CUSA/Sunbelt meger to experiment with a new 4 division structure that includes an internal playoff. Let them have the exclusive right to run that system for say 3 years. They will get to be unique and different from everyone else for a few years--great publicity and they would make a little extra cash off the internal playoff. The rest of FBS would minimize watering down the division and would get to see an internal conference playoff system in action and be able to tell if there are any issues connected with the process.

Allowing this system would give CUSA one more early Christmas present. On championship weekend, CUSA would have 2 games--rather than just one. And the following week, Army-Navy would not be the only game on tv. The CUSA championship game would also share that weekend, either following or as a lead-in to that traditional game. That would guarantee CUSA a huge audience.

If it appears to be a success, it can be adopted by the NCAA giving all conferences the opportunity to use the system. It would give CUSA a special place in college football history and they would always be able to say they were the first to do it.

(03-13-2013 09:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

We didn't expand to 14 teams by taking 3 moveups. Please direct that to CUSA.

Responsibility for most recent FCS moveups and nearly all recent realignment can ultimately be traced back to a few members of the C7. Certainly it wasn't the Sun Belt or CUSA's idea to get raided constantly and have to replenish membership. It's not their obligation to die if the power conferences want to go to 14 members.

(03-14-2013 03:44 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 09:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-13-2013 08:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Whats left of the Sunbelt and CUSA just need to merge. Bringing up all these FCS teams is not helping anyone.

We didn't expand to 14 teams by taking 3 moveups. Please direct that to CUSA.

Responsibility for most recent FCS moveups and nearly all recent realignment can ultimately be traced back to a few members of the C7. Certainly it wasn't the Sun Belt or CUSA's idea to get raided constantly and have to replenish membership. It's not their obligation to die if the power conferences want to go to 14 members.

That's not the point. Increasing the size of FBS simply increases the likelihood of a breakaway of the the power conferences. Thats not in the best interests of any of the existing members of either CUSA or the Sunbelt (or any non power conference for that matter). Besides, to a large degree, the merger is happening anyway--just slowly in a drop by drop one team at a time pace. Im just suggesting that it be done rather promote additional FCS schools to FBS. The last thing FBS football needs is more teams. What FBS need is a little organization--nobody need be homeless. There plenty of teams--thats not the issue.