Experiment - How long until the Sun Belt faithful (as I can promise you no Liberty fan will) steer this conversation towards religious, political, or philosophical ballyhoo, and ultimately the closing of said conversation by a Sun Belt Forum moderator?

Now gentlemen, let us talk budgets, and shall we have an objective conversation for once without the ache and pain of religious fervor?


Total Athletic Department Expenditures Last Year -

1. WKU - 25.7 million
2. Texas State - 25.5 million
3. Georgia State - 22.7 million
4. South Alabama - 17.7 million
5. Troy - 16.7 million
6. Lafayette - 15.3 million
7. Arkansas St. - 13.2 million
8. Monroe - 9.4 million
9. Arlington - 9.2 millioni
10. UALR - 8.6 million

The top three schools in total football expenditures -

1. South Alabama - 6.9 million
2. Lafayette - 5.8 million
3. WKU - 5.8 million


Liberty spent the following last year -

30.2 million total, and 8.4 million on football, respectively.

Now looking at those facts objectively, let us have intelligent debate and candid conversation about the possibility of Liberty being competitive right away in Olympic Sports, and eventually (and that is a big keyword, eventually, as I know some people on here will try to spin it as right away) being able to compete near the top of the conference in football as well. I referenced Liberty's tennis program handling WKU in a previous thread as an example, and upon further review it looks like our men's golf team had a February win over WKU at an invite in California. As I and several other posters have mentioned, Liberty would be competitive right away in the Olympic Sports, and while obviously it is football that drives realignment, bringing an upgrade to the SBC's Olympic Sports is never a bad idea for the conference.

Now, let us talk football. As we all are involved in college athletics, we know that football drives conference realignment...but what drives football? Without a commitment from the athletic department (and ultimately the highest levels of university administration) from a mostly financial perspective, football rarely thrives at the FBS levels. One needs to feed the beast, so to speak, and you will find throughout the highest levels of college football that the schools who spend the most money on their football programs also tend to have the best programs from a competitive standpoint. In layman's terms, you need to spend money on football in order to have a good football program. As for the rules, there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part it holds true.


To summarize -

Liberty has made a staggering commitment to athletics, and the following list is just the beginning -

1. Recent additions to football, with a second major upgrade planned upon FBS invitation
2. Recent addition of a state of the art practice basketball facility
3. A new 8.5 million dollar baseball stadium
4. Numerous upgrades to Olympic Sport facilities
5. Every program is fully funded with the NCAA maximum number of scholarships
6. No Title IX or APR issues
7. Every program is maxed out with the NCAA maximum amount of coaches
8. We staff our athletic department very well, and I'll list three comparisons to WKU as they have the largest budget in the SBC.

A. WKU employs 5 full time people in their sports information department, Liberty employs 5 as well
B. WKU employs 7 full time athletic trainers, Liberty employs 10.
C. WKU employs 5 full time strength and conditioning coaches, while Liberty employs 6.


9. Commitment to further increase the budget upon FBS invite. We have completed an FBS feasibility study, and our Chancellor is ready to increase the budget for all sports to "FBS Level" upon our arrival.
10. Too many other commitments to list.




Now, let us debate objectively gentlemen.

This is what people familiar with the interwebz call "trolling"

Liberty has the money and institutional support to compete in the Sun Belt. They are a no-brainer if the Belt wants to go to 12FB/14BB.

You simply can't take a hint, can you? Let me go ahead and answer your next ten threads...

Not interested.

(03-12-2013 03:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You simply can't take a hint, can you? Let me go ahead and answer your next ten threads...

Not interested.

Don't you still have authority to shut this down? No reason to have 3 threads going about LU at one time.

LET IT GO. Send all this to the presidents of the SBC institutions. They decide your worthiness for the SBC, not us.

You failed your own experiment in message board ethics.... ethics #1, don't post where you're not wanted.

It's not trolling because we have tried hard to get this stuff heard and it is always blown off. It should have been put in the 3 minutes thread where we are actually having a decent cinversation. Good facts that need to be heard though.

(03-12-2013 03:11 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Experiment - How long until the Sun Belt faithful (as I can promise you no Liberty fan will) steer this conversation towards religious, political, or philosophical ballyhoo, and ultimately the closing of said conversation by a Sun Belt Forum moderator?

Now gentlemen, let us talk budgets, and shall we have an objective conversation for once without the ache and pain of religious fervor?


Total Athletic Department Expenditures Last Year -

1. WKU - 25.7 million
2. Texas State - 25.5 million
3. Georgia State - 22.7 million
4. South Alabama - 17.7 million
5. Troy - 16.7 million
6. Lafayette - 15.3 million
7. Arkansas St. - 13.2 million
8. Monroe - 9.4 million
9. Arlington - 9.2 millioni
10. UALR - 8.6 million

The top three schools in total football expenditures -

1. South Alabama - 6.9 million
2. Lafayette - 5.8 million
3. WKU - 5.8 million


Liberty spent the following last year -

30.2 million total, and 8.4 million on football, respectively.

Now looking at those facts objectively, let us have intelligent debate and candid conversation about the possibility of Liberty being competitive right away in Olympic Sports, and eventually (and that is a big keyword, eventually, as I know some people on here will try to spin it as right away) being able to compete near the top of the conference in football as well. I referenced Liberty's tennis program handling WKU in a previous thread as an example, and upon further review it looks like our men's golf team had a February win over WKU at an invite in California. As I and several other posters have mentioned, Liberty would be competitive right away in the Olympic Sports, and while obviously it is football that drives realignment, bringing an upgrade to the SBC's Olympic Sports is never a bad idea for the conference.

Now, let us talk football. As we all are involved in college athletics, we know that football drives conference realignment...but what drives football? Without a commitment from the athletic department (and ultimately the highest levels of university administration) from a mostly financial perspective, football rarely thrives at the FBS levels. One needs to feed the beast, so to speak, and you will find throughout the highest levels of college football that the schools who spend the most money on their football programs also tend to have the best programs from a competitive standpoint. In layman's terms, you need to spend money on football in order to have a good football program. As for the rules, there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part it holds true.


To summarize -

Liberty has made a staggering commitment to athletics, and the following list is just the beginning -

1. Recent additions to football, with a second major upgrade planned upon FBS invitation
2. Recent addition of a state of the art practice basketball facility
3. A new 8.5 million dollar baseball stadium
4. Numerous upgrades to Olympic Sport facilities
5. Every program is fully funded with the NCAA maximum number of scholarships
6. No Title IX or APR issues
7. Every program is maxed out with the NCAA maximum amount of coaches
8. We staff our athletic department very well, and I'll list three comparisons to WKU as they have the largest budget in the SBC.

A. WKU employs 5 full time people in their sports information department, Liberty employs 5 as well
B. WKU employs 7 full time athletic trainers, Liberty employs 10.
C. WKU employs 5 full time strength and conditioning coaches, while Liberty employs 6.


9. Commitment to further increase the budget upon FBS invite. We have completed an FBS feasibility study, and our Chancellor is ready to increase the budget for all sports to "FBS Level" upon our arrival.
10. Too many other commitments to list.




Now, let us debate objectively gentlemen.

FYI, when you have MTSU and WKU fans united against you in discussion, you know you have a problem. Just saying...

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=614924

"We do ask, however, that you please tone it down on starting the constant barrage of threads related to how the SBC should expand now"

This makes 3 already today.

IT
DOESN'T
MATTER
LIBERTY
WILL
NOT
BE
INVITED
TO
THE
CONFERENCE
WITH
ITS
CURRENT
MEMBERSHIP
CONFIGURATION.

/END THREAD


//PS - Who is Lafayette?

(03-12-2013 03:17 PM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  

(03-12-2013 03:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You simply can't take a hint, can you? Let me go ahead and answer your next ten threads...

Not interested.

Don't you still have authority to shut this down? No reason to have 3 threads going about LU at one time.

Unfortunately not.

(03-12-2013 03:19 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  It's not trolling because we have tried hard to get this stuff heard and it is always blown off. It should have been put in the 3 minutes thread where we are actually having a decent cinversation. Good facts that need to be heard though.

Who are you trying to get this stuff heard by? It has been said multiple times that people here do not dispute the monetary and institutional means your university has to make such a move. That has never been the issue.

But more to the point, why are you trying to sell these already acknowledged points here? No one on this (or truthfully almost any) message board has any decision making abilities.

So yes, you are indeed trolling.

Who cares?

Not meaning to feed the trolls, (I am certain that I will regret this) but how much is your tuition? Don't scholarships count in the budget? The tuition at UL is less than 6K per year. I'll bet Liberty's is a hell of a lot more (no pun intended).

BTW, UL's athletic budget (just reported to the NCAA and the state of Louisiana) is 17.6 M

(03-12-2013 03:19 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  It's not trolling because we have tried hard to get this stuff heard and it is always blown off. It should have been put in the 3 minutes thread where we are actually having a decent cinversation. Good facts that need to be heard though.

(03-12-2013 03:14 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  Liberty has the money and institutional support to compete in the Sun Belt. They are a no-brainer if the Belt wants to go to 12FB/14BB.

Then YOU take them and YOU play them,

With a username of "Campaign4Liberty" obviously he is only on here to pimp his school.

Liberty appears to already be ahead of the SBC. Why not apply with CUSA? I hear they need a school, go over to their board and ask around.

(03-12-2013 03:19 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  It's not trolling because we have tried hard to get this stuff heard and it is always blown off. It should have been put in the 3 minutes thread where we are actually having a decent cinversation. Good facts that need to be heard though.

No, it does not need to be heard. Just because you want it heard doesn't mean it needs to be heard. Especially to those of us on the message board you have no ability to make decisions about Sunbelt membership. So unless/until you're invited, keep it to yourself.

(03-12-2013 03:11 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Experiment - How long until the Sun Belt faithful (as I can promise you no Liberty fan will) steer this conversation towards religious, political, or philosophical ballyhoo, and ultimately the closing of said conversation by a Sun Belt Forum moderator?

Now gentlemen, let us talk budgets, and shall we have an objective conversation for once without the ache and pain of religious fervor?


Total Athletic Department Expenditures Last Year -

1. WKU - 25.7 million
2. Texas State - 25.5 million
3. Georgia State - 22.7 million
4. South Alabama - 17.7 million
5. Troy - 16.7 million
6. Lafayette - 15.3 million
7. Arkansas St. - 13.2 million
8. Monroe - 9.4 million
9. Arlington - 9.2 millioni
10. UALR - 8.6 million

The top three schools in total football expenditures -

1. South Alabama - 6.9 million
2. Lafayette - 5.8 million
3. WKU - 5.8 million


Liberty spent the following last year -

30.2 million total, and 8.4 million on football, respectively.

Now looking at those facts objectively, let us have intelligent debate and candid conversation about the possibility of Liberty being competitive right away in Olympic Sports, and eventually (and that is a big keyword, eventually, as I know some people on here will try to spin it as right away) being able to compete near the top of the conference in football as well. I referenced Liberty's tennis program handling WKU in a previous thread as an example, and upon further review it looks like our men's golf team had a February win over WKU at an invite in California. As I and several other posters have mentioned, Liberty would be competitive right away in the Olympic Sports, and while obviously it is football that drives realignment, bringing an upgrade to the SBC's Olympic Sports is never a bad idea for the conference.

Now, let us talk football. As we all are involved in college athletics, we know that football drives conference realignment...but what drives football? Without a commitment from the athletic department (and ultimately the highest levels of university administration) from a mostly financial perspective, football rarely thrives at the FBS levels. One needs to feed the beast, so to speak, and you will find throughout the highest levels of college football that the schools who spend the most money on their football programs also tend to have the best programs from a competitive standpoint. In layman's terms, you need to spend money on football in order to have a good football program. As for the rules, there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part it holds true.


To summarize -

Liberty has made a staggering commitment to athletics, and the following list is just the beginning -

1. Recent additions to football, with a second major upgrade planned upon FBS invitation
2. Recent addition of a state of the art practice basketball facility
3. A new 8.5 million dollar baseball stadium
4. Numerous upgrades to Olympic Sport facilities
5. Every program is fully funded with the NCAA maximum number of scholarships
6. No Title IX or APR issues
7. Every program is maxed out with the NCAA maximum amount of coaches
8. We staff our athletic department very well, and I'll list three comparisons to WKU as they have the largest budget in the SBC.

A. WKU employs 5 full time people in their sports information department, Liberty employs 5 as well
B. WKU employs 7 full time athletic trainers, Liberty employs 10.
C. WKU employs 5 full time strength and conditioning coaches, while Liberty employs 6.


9. Commitment to further increase the budget upon FBS invite. We have completed an FBS feasibility study, and our Chancellor is ready to increase the budget for all sports to "FBS Level" upon our arrival.
10. Too many other commitments to list.




Now, let us debate objectively gentlemen.

(03-12-2013 03:19 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  It's not trolling because we have tried hard to get this stuff heard and it is always blown off. It should have been put in the 3 minutes thread where we are actually having a decent cinversation. Good facts that need to be heard though.

You guys make me want to hug and kiss GS and ODU fans.Please kindly get lost. No FBS conference is adding you unless they are getting WACked.

To reiterate:

The Sun Belt conference fans on this board have zero interest in inviting Liberty University to the conference.

(03-12-2013 03:19 PM)knucklehead Wrote:  It's not trolling because we have tried hard to get this stuff heard and it is always blown off. It should have been put in the 3 minutes thread where we are actually having a decent cinversation. Good facts that need to be heard though.

It is trolling because the membership of this board has made it clear that we are not interested in discussing Liberty.

I'm really trying to not be a dick about this, but it doesn't matter how "good" your "facts" are, it's not up to outsiders what needs to be heard on this board. We've been through this several times and every time we arrive at the same conclusion.

I'm sorry if you Liberty guys think it's not fair, but we just aren't interested and no new information is going to change that. So...


DROP IT.