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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 03:46 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Richmond got SCREWED.

You should watched the rest of the game. The refs killed us all game. Touch fouls one one side, while our guys were getting hacked on the other side.

Williams deserved the foul. It was a dead ball, so it became a technical and Henry buried the FT's to give us a 1 point lead with ball. The game was over at that point. The rest was just drama.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 03:59 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:58 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:56 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:46 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Richmond got SCREWED.

Go Tulsa.

Yeah, they didn't get screwed. We still would've had the lead with the ball (with 4.7 seconds left) if Mooney hadn't been called for a T. There is no debate on the first because he shoved a player to the floor during a deadball. That's cut and dry. It's an automatic technical.

I'm not talking about the technicals... I'm talking about the 3 free throws on the halfcourt "shot".

BTW... I was rooting for Charlotte. Still am. Just hate to see games end that way.

Well, on the replay, he starts to lift for the "shot" before he is fouled. He only did this because he saw the contact coming and wouldn't shoot it otherwise. Also, no real reason to think it would go in, but he did lift the ball to throw (read "shoot") it toward the basket before the contact (i.e., he takes the ball into both hands and starts winding back when he sees the contact coming). It's something they teach you when you're young, but rarely do you have the wherewithal to do so before the contact comes (only afterward, usually).
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:00 PM)Tintin Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:46 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Richmond got SCREWED.

You should watched the rest of the game. The refs killed us all game. Touch fouls one one side, while our guys were getting hacked on the other side.

Williams deserved the foul. It was a dead ball, so it became a technical and Henry buried the FT's to give us a 1 point lead with ball. The game was over at that point. The rest was just drama.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy Charlotte won. I have many, many friends who went there. I lived a mile from Campus for a couple years... love the QC.

I just thought the 3 FT's awarded on that halfcourt heave was the worst call I've seen in a long long time... now, Charlotte probably still would have won... but the refs decided it for them.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:03 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:59 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:58 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:56 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:46 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Richmond got SCREWED.

Go Tulsa.

Yeah, they didn't get screwed. We still would've had the lead with the ball (with 4.7 seconds left) if Mooney hadn't been called for a T. There is no debate on the first because he shoved a player to the floor during a deadball. That's cut and dry. It's an automatic technical.

I'm not talking about the technicals... I'm talking about the 3 free throws on the halfcourt "shot".

BTW... I was rooting for Charlotte. Still am. Just hate to see games end that way.

Well, on the replay, he starts to lift for the "shot" before he is fouled. He only did this because he saw the contact coming and wouldn't shoot it otherwise. Also, no real reason to think it would go in, but he did lift the ball to throw (read "shoot") it toward the basket before the contact (i.e., he takes the ball into both hands and starts winding back when he sees the contact coming).

Yeah but 99.99999% of the time that's a no-call at the end of games. Especially tight tournament games.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
Refs should never decide the outcome of the game and they did here. Thats the definition of poor Officiating
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:11 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  Refs should never decide the outcome of the game and they did here. Thats the definition of poor Officiating

No they didn't. They nearly decided the outcome by screwing Charlotte the entire second half. The boneheaded deadball shove by the Richmond player decided this game. Whether or not you think the 3 shots on the final foul should've been awarded, at the best, Richmond has the ball down 3 with 2.8 seconds left. That has nothing to do with Mooney getting both technicals (the second was really inexcusable) or the three point shot.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:11 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  Refs should never decide the outcome of the game and they did here. Thats the definition of poor Officiating

Player is shoved to the ground during a dead ball. According to the A10's coordinator of officials, the only way that could be called is a tech. Coach violently removes coat and runs to half court to argue a call. According to the link I posted earlier, only way that is called is a tech.

If Charlotte lost, the refs would have decided the outcome. We were being destroyed by calls throughout the game and the refs get it right at the end and everyone is upset now.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
By the way, the over/under was 130.5. Final score was 68-63
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
F' Richmond. I heard they're moving down to Division 3 anyway. Maybe they'll have more luck there.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
Let's be honest the Charlotte player started the incident and to be unbias you either don't call it or call a T on both players.

Not really surprised Charlotte players started something but the opposing player gets called for a T...
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
You hate to see refs determine games, but if Williams doesn't shove Clayton to the floor then they win the game. So Williams determined that. A10 officials coordinator was clear, that's a Technical.

Richmond was going to foul the shooter on the resulting inbounds pass so that was at least 2 shots there, so even though they gave us 3.

Mooney did the rest, but at that point it was academic.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:03 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:59 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:58 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:56 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 03:46 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Richmond got SCREWED.

Go Tulsa.

Yeah, they didn't get screwed. We still would've had the lead with the ball (with 4.7 seconds left) if Mooney hadn't been called for a T. There is no debate on the first because he shoved a player to the floor during a deadball. That's cut and dry. It's an automatic technical.

I'm not talking about the technicals... I'm talking about the 3 free throws on the halfcourt "shot".

BTW... I was rooting for Charlotte. Still am. Just hate to see games end that way.

Well, on the replay, he starts to lift for the "shot" before he is fouled. He only did this because he saw the contact coming and wouldn't shoot it otherwise. Also, no real reason to think it would go in, but he did lift the ball to throw (read "shoot") it toward the basket before the contact (i.e., he takes the ball into both hands and starts winding back when he sees the contact coming). It's something they teach you when you're young, but rarely do you have the wherewithal to do so before the contact comes (only afterward, usually).

not to mention it wastes a ton of time if they don't call the foul, which we were trying to burn at that point.
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(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Let's be honest the Charlotte player started the incident and to be unbias you either don't call it or call a T on both players.

Not really surprised Charlotte players started something but the opposing player gets called for a T...

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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Let's be honest the Charlotte player started the incident and to be unbias you either don't call it or call a T on both players.

Not really surprised Charlotte players started something but the opposing player gets called for a T...

They were battling for position. When the ball went though the hoop, Clayton stopped battling. Williams shoved him in the chest/face. What do you not get about that?
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Let's be honest the Charlotte player started the incident and to be unbias you either don't call it or call a T on both players.

Not really surprised Charlotte players started something but the opposing player gets called for a T...

Now that's funny ^^^
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
There is a difference between incidental contact jockeying for position and pushing someone in the chest and knocking them to the floor. The refs didn't decide the outcome of this game. Congrats to Charlotte for capitalizing on a unique opportunity. Good luck the rest of your tournament.
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(03-14-2013 04:43 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  There is a difference between incidental contact jockeying for position and pushing someone in the chest and knocking them to the floor. The refs didn't decide the outcome of this game. Congrats to Charlotte for capitalizing on a unique opportunity. Good luck the rest of your tournament.
Agreed. At any point in time when a player is shoved to the ground it should be a technical. Timing/situation should be irrelevant.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:44 PM)moss2k Wrote:  
(03-14-2013 04:43 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  There is a difference between incidental contact jockeying for position and pushing someone in the chest and knocking them to the floor. The refs didn't decide the outcome of this game. Congrats to Charlotte for capitalizing on a unique opportunity. Good luck the rest of your tournament.
Agreed. At any point in time when a player is shoved to the ground it should be a technical. Timing/situation should be irrelevant.

I might debate that point with you depending on the situation; however, it's moot because he shoved him during a deadball. Any contact foul during a deadball is going to be a tech. Cut and dry.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:43 PM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  There is a difference between incidental contact jockeying for position and pushing someone in the chest and knocking them to the floor. The refs didn't decide the outcome of this game. Congrats to Charlotte for capitalizing on a unique opportunity. Good luck the rest of your tournament.

The shoving incident was obvious, everything after that was the refs poor judgement.
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RE: Pretty strange way to win a game, Charlotte
(03-14-2013 04:34 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Let's be honest the Charlotte player started the incident and to be unbias you either don't call it or call a T on both players.

Not really surprised Charlotte players started something but the opposing player gets called for a T...

charlotte player--->03-nutkick<---richmond player.... technical on richmond.... If my memory serves me right, didn't the same thing happen with tucker and bowden, tucker elbowed him and bowden got ejected
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