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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-15-2013 09:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
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(03-15-2013 08:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  We will see if NYC cable companies agree.
NYC ain't the south, dude. The vast majority of southerners could care less about what Yankees do...

Lewis Grizzard said it best when he said, "If you like it up there so much, Delta's ready when you are"...

And the South has what to do with the BTN?

One other point, the BTN has tier 2&3 games, the SEC Net will only have those crap tier 3 games.

And what Crystal ball gives you that information? When expansion is done, the SEC will have more content to show for football and basketball. And our "crap" games as you call them get plenty of eyeballs too, with minor exceptions. I might not bet on Vanderbilt versus Kentucky in football, but that's about it.

Can't wait for the awesome Kentucky/Vandy football game. Or those GREAT OOC games. LOL COGS

I can see Pitt's uptic the last 10 years or so in bb hasn't turned you into a basketball fan.
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(03-14-2013 07:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I think people are getting a little overhyped about this but it is easy to do considering it is the SEC that is about to launch it's own network.

Let's keep in mind though who the measure is based off of. That would be the BTN and the BTN makes more money off of basketball than it does football.

60% of the proceeds from the BTN are from advertising. Advertising dollars are directly related to the amount of live games you can have advertising on. The replays bring less funds but they still get you better money than the talk shows and information spots that the Networks put on too.

The question for me is how well will the SECN be able to monetize SEC baseball? They will still make good money on basketball but no way they can charge the same amount in advertising that the BTN can for spots during Big Ten basketball on BTN.

When these networks show football they do not show the best match ups, please remember that. CBS gets the absolute best SEC match ups and then ABC/ESPN soak up the rest of the quality match ups. The SEC will be showing the tier 3 matchups on it's Network. That is why it has to monetize other sports in order to reach that lofty 1 billion mark.

Which sports will get it there? Is Baseball really that big of a draw?
But are the best B1G FB games on the BTN? What tier games are shown on the BTN? CBS picks one, maybe two SEC games per week as a marquee matchup. Down here in Biloxi, I get one or two BTN games max. There are many many marquee matchups in the SEC for the new network after tier one and two... As far as basketball goes, this new network will show great matchups that are being shown on ESPN 3 now. You will also be surprised how much money baseball will make in the SEC with this new outlet.
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-15-2013 09:16 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
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(03-15-2013 08:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  We will see if NYC cable companies agree.
NYC ain't the south, dude. The vast majority of southerners could care less about what Yankees do...

Lewis Grizzard said it best when he said, "If you like it up there so much, Delta's ready when you are"...

And the South has what to do with the BTN?

One other point, the BTN has tier 2&3 games, the SEC Net will only have those crap tier 3 games.

we'll have to see what the SEC and ESPN negotiated. Wouldn't shock me at all if SEC got some tier 2 games in their package.

Also- for the SEC network- the basketball(men's and women's), gymnastics, and baseball- will do great. In some ways, the SEC Network would be stronger than the Big Ten network- because those other sports are stronger(and in some cases MUCH stronger) than the Big Ten.

LOL, nobody outside of Kentucky cares about SEC basketball.

That's not true. the problem with SEC "passion" for basketball has been consistency of product. It really is not much different than the PAC, which has spent an inordinate amount of money/energy into football (opposite of the Big East and ACC strategy) in the last 2 decades. With near future revenue per school increasing anywhere from an additional $10-$20 milllion per year, that will certainly change. The SEC schools are not currently in the top 10 for basketball coach salaries...by 2016 that will have shifted significantly.
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-15-2013 09:31 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
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(03-15-2013 08:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  We will see if NYC cable companies agree.
NYC ain't the south, dude. The vast majority of southerners could care less about what Yankees do...

Lewis Grizzard said it best when he said, "If you like it up there so much, Delta's ready when you are"...
And the South has what to do with the BTN?

One other point, the BTN has tier 2&3 games, the SEC Net will only have those crap tier 3 games.
The discussion was about the SECN, prior to your comment about NYC. So the BTN wasn't germane to this discussion, except in pointing out that the BTN has paved the way for the SECN to get carried...

Nobody in SEC country cares one way or the other if their network gets carried in NYC, except for a few SEC grads in the NYC area, and DirecTV will be a perfect way to bypass NYC cable companies for those people. DirecTV is usually the first to pick up such things, and anyone unable to get their SEC fix via NYC cable companies will switch...

What channel is the P12 network on?

That's right. DirecTV has BTN because at the time BTN was launched, DirecTV was owned by Fox. They're not owned by Fox anymore. DirecTV is taking a hard line on new sports channels. They'll probably chisel down Fox on the price for FS1/FS2, and they're going to start passing the cost of expensive channels like the Lakers and Dodgers channels directly to local subscribers -- reportedly they're going to start a surcharge in the L.A. area this spring that tacks on the costs of the L.A. sports channels to their subscribers' bills (e.g., if the Lakers channel is $5/month and the Dodgers channel ends up being the same, then LA DirecTV subscribers will pay $10/month more than DirecTV subscribers elsewhere).
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-15-2013 09:30 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 09:16 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 09:11 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 09:06 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  NYC ain't the south, dude. The vast majority of southerners could care less about what Yankees do...

Lewis Grizzard said it best when he said, "If you like it up there so much, Delta's ready when you are"...
And the South has what to do with the BTN?

One other point, the BTN has tier 2&3 games, the SEC Net will only have those crap tier 3 games.
And what Crystal ball gives you that information? When expansion is done, the SEC will have more content to show for football and basketball. And our "crap" games as you call them get plenty of eyeballs too, with minor exceptions. I might not bet on Vanderbilt versus Kentucky in football, but that's about it.
Can't wait for the awesome Kentucky/Vandy football game. Or those GREAT OOC games. LOL COGS
The ratings for that game will beat the hell out of the ratings for any football games BC, Duke, or Wake Forest ever play...
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
Slive said in an interview with Clay Travis of Out Kick the Coverage (on his radio program this past Saturday morning) that when the SECN was announced in mid April that the content would be substantially enhanced. It will be interesting to see what that means.
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-19-2013 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Slive said in an interview with Clay Travis of Out Kick the Coverage (on his radio program this past Saturday morning) that when the SECN was announced in mid April that the content would be substantially enhanced. It will be interesting to see what that means.

Will the SEC have to buy back inventory from ESPN?
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-19-2013 06:06 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 03:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Slive said in an interview with Clay Travis of Out Kick the Coverage (on his radio program this past Saturday morning) that when the SECN was announced in mid April that the content would be substantially enhanced. It will be interesting to see what that means.

Will the SEC have to buy back inventory from ESPN?

no, they have to buy out the rsn's that carry the syndicated packages. ESPN is expected to provide the bulk of this.
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Thoughts:

1. Coverage is great for advertising, both direct and indirect, but there is much more. Carriage fees play a HUGE role in coverage. Just because one network had trouble getting coverage at one fee doesn't mean that a similar network couldn't get carriage to a reduced fee. Therefore every argument that begins with "[insert network here] couldn't get carriage, so there is no way that [insert second network here] will get carriage" is stupid, unless a fee is specified.

2. Payouts are misleading. Payouts can be tweaked depending on the content that is aired. Someone said that the SEC can expect $1,000,000,000 over ten years, which ends up being $100,000,000 per year, or $7,142,857.14 when it's cut 14 different ways. To put that in perspective, the BTN pays out something like $8,000,000 per school per year now, and the ACC has something like $6-8,000,000 in school-retained 3rd tier rights for most schools (WF and pals are low and UNC and pals are high). However, the BTN airs some premium programming and that $6-8,000,000 ACC number encompasses ALL remaining 3rd tier rights. That means that if the SEC isn't airing as much "good" content as the B1G is, and if SEC schools retain rights that aren't surrendered to the SEC Network, then it is a very good media deal relative to the other conferences. If not, then it isn't.

3. Networks redistribute wealth and that usually makes conferences stronger and more marketable. For example, the B1G, arguably the most solid conference, shares all TV revenue equally and even shares "excess" gate revenue. However, the old Big XII and the old BIG EAST, the two least stable/successful conferences, both had unequal revenue distribution. None the less, it is important to remember that networks do not create value in and of themselves. The material would just otherwise be sold by the individual schools. The payouts are great, but it's important to keep the costs in mind. It isn't all new profit. Indirect benefits from being in a stronger conference aside, top performing schools would actually be better off without a conference network. In fact, short term market inefficiencies aside, most of the increases in payouts from a conference network are derived from either a reduction in transaction costs which is the result of negotiating one set of contracts instead of 12-15 sets of contracts, and an assumption of greater risk. Out of the two, an assumption of greater risk leads to the larger payout, but it's a dangerous game to play. As long as times are good, a network is great because is adjusts to improving market conditions where a conventional media contract would not. That's why the BTN has been successful. However, when times are not great, then the increased assumption of risk is very bad because the network adjusts to weakening market condition where a conventional media contract would not.

4. I expect the SEC network to have great carriage and be very profitable. It will be very good for schools like Vandy, 'Ole Miss, and MSU who tend to be free riders. It will be significantly less generous to schools like Alabama who tend to pump money into the conference.
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(03-15-2013 07:43 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Raise of hands for all who would like their cable bill to go up so you can get the SEC Network.

I would. Most people in SC, TN, GA, FL, AL, MS, AK, and LA would too.
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SEC to officially announce network deal in April
Any chance ESPN blows up ESPN Classic or ESPN News? ESPN considered flipping ESPN Classic to the NFL Network a few years ago.
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RE: SEC to officially announce network deal in April
(03-19-2013 07:01 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(03-15-2013 07:43 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Raise of hands for all who would like their cable bill to go up so you can get the SEC Network.

I would. Most people in SC, TN, GA, FL, AL, MS, AK, and LA would too.
Shoot Gamecock even if carriage fees are dropped and we go to a la carte the SEC garners more viewers nationwide than any other conference. Under the carriage system we will do well outside of our footprint, but we just won't get paid as much.
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I'll watch the SEC network. If I'm not watching a WVU or B12 game, SEC games are usually my 2nd choice...

NOTE: I never watch the BTN. I can't stand watching their games. It's like watching golf IMO...
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(03-19-2013 07:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'll watch the SEC network. If I'm not watching a WVU or B12 game, SEC games are usually my 2nd choice...

NOTE: I never watch the BTN. I can't stand watching their games. It's like watching golf IMO...

The B1G found a way to house 14 universities who not only play the most boring version of football known to man, but who also play the most boring version of basketball known to man as well.

However, the BTN cures insomnia, and they have that market CORNERED. Unfortunately, a disturbing number of Americans suffer from insomnia, so the BTN will never go away.
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(03-19-2013 07:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 07:17 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I'll watch the SEC network. If I'm not watching a WVU or B12 game, SEC games are usually my 2nd choice...

NOTE: I never watch the BTN. I can't stand watching their games. It's like watching golf IMO...
The B1G found a way to house 14 universities who not only play the most boring version of football known to man, but who also play the most boring version of basketball known to man as well.

However, the BTN cures insomnia, and they have that market CORNERED. Unfortunately, a disturbing number of Americans suffer from insomnia, so the BTN will never go away.
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