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(03-16-2013 12:59 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:56 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 11:06 AM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  1. It isn't the same because you are joining the ACC, not merging with it. Pushing ideas hard when people don't even know you yet isn't wise or effective.
2. That statement is way off the mark. The ACCT is the most well regarded in the country. The BET doesn't even exist after this year and only ran for a few decades. That hardly makes it "special".
3. I visited NYC once. It is an interesting place to visit, but big doesn't = better.

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The BET isn't special! hahahahahaha OMG I'm crying over here. The BET tickets haven't gone out for general sale in 7 years. You can only get tix through secondary market. Thats SEVEN YEARS!!!!

Again, how can it be that special if it doesn't even exist any more?

It does exist. Half the teams playing in it this year will be playing in it next year in the same building. 5 of the 10 schools next year have been in everyone of the BE tournaments held in MSG. How does that NOT exist?

Because half the teams playing in it this year will not be playing in it next year and next year it will be a conference that bought the name from those schools after they left. The BE is no more. Some of the old schools just bought the label.
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(03-16-2013 01:06 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:59 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:56 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 11:06 AM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  1. It isn't the same because you are joining the ACC, not merging with it. Pushing ideas hard when people don't even know you yet isn't wise or effective.
2. That statement is way off the mark. The ACCT is the most well regarded in the country. The BET doesn't even exist after this year and only ran for a few decades. That hardly makes it "special".
3. I visited NYC once. It is an interesting place to visit, but big doesn't = better.

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The BET isn't special! hahahahahaha OMG I'm crying over here. The BET tickets haven't gone out for general sale in 7 years. You can only get tix through secondary market. Thats SEVEN YEARS!!!!

Again, how can it be that special if it doesn't even exist any more?

It does exist. Half the teams playing in it this year will be playing in it next year in the same building. 5 of the 10 schools next year have been in everyone of the BE tournaments held in MSG. How does that NOT exist?

Because half the teams playing in it this year will not be playing in it next year and next year it will be a conference that bought the name from those schools after they left. The BE is no more. Some of the old schools just bought the label.

Whatever helps you get through the day buddy. I bet if ECU and Co. kept the name then that would be a "legit" Big East, but not Gtown, Nova, St. John's, Providence and Seton Hall. hahahaha
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RE: MSG vs. The Greensboro Coliseum
(03-16-2013 01:08 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 01:06 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:59 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:56 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:45 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  [Image: tumblr_m7kgfpQz2S1rq5v88o1_500_large.gif]

The BET isn't special! hahahahahaha OMG I'm crying over here. The BET tickets haven't gone out for general sale in 7 years. You can only get tix through secondary market. Thats SEVEN YEARS!!!!

Again, how can it be that special if it doesn't even exist any more?

It does exist. Half the teams playing in it this year will be playing in it next year in the same building. 5 of the 10 schools next year have been in everyone of the BE tournaments held in MSG. How does that NOT exist?

Because half the teams playing in it this year will not be playing in it next year and next year it will be a conference that bought the name from those schools after they left. The BE is no more. Some of the old schools just bought the label.

Whatever helps you get through the day buddy. I bet if ECU and Co. kept the name then that would be a "legit" Big East, but not Gtown, Nova, St. John's, Providence and Seton Hall. hahahaha
No it would just be a good marketing tool, like it is for the C7.
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RE: MSG vs. The Greensboro Coliseum
(03-16-2013 12:53 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:46 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
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(03-16-2013 11:28 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Lots of empty seats at the ACC Tourney this year...05-stirthepot

All the seats are sold, it is just a matter of people going and coming. The fans of the the schools that aren't playing are off playing golf, shopping, eating etc. They are in and out. When teams lose some fans go home, some sell their tickets or give them to someone. So if the implcation is that they can't sell out the arena that is incorrect. If you just mean that fans don't stay and watch all the games because their school isn't directly involved at the time that would be correct. There are no general fans there, unless they hung around and found some Clemson or VT ticket holders to sell them their tickets before they headed home. These are the big donors in attendance.

No, the schools bought them, but not every school sold all of theirs.

In 2011 they had their 3rd consecutive non-sellout. This most likely continued the last two years.

http://ctsmithiii.wordpress.com/2011/01/...t-is-dead/

So you actually think holding the ACCT in the far reaches of the footprint is going to lead to those schools selling more tickets to their donors, not less?

You have bowl games in the far reaches of the footprint. Just saying.
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RE: MSG vs. The Greensboro Coliseum
(03-16-2013 02:16 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:53 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:46 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 12:38 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 11:28 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Lots of empty seats at the ACC Tourney this year...05-stirthepot

All the seats are sold, it is just a matter of people going and coming. The fans of the the schools that aren't playing are off playing golf, shopping, eating etc. They are in and out. When teams lose some fans go home, some sell their tickets or give them to someone. So if the implcation is that they can't sell out the arena that is incorrect. If you just mean that fans don't stay and watch all the games because their school isn't directly involved at the time that would be correct. There are no general fans there, unless they hung around and found some Clemson or VT ticket holders to sell them their tickets before they headed home. These are the big donors in attendance.

No, the schools bought them, but not every school sold all of theirs.

In 2011 they had their 3rd consecutive non-sellout. This most likely continued the last two years.

http://ctsmithiii.wordpress.com/2011/01/...t-is-dead/

So you actually think holding the ACCT in the far reaches of the footprint is going to lead to those schools selling more tickets to their donors, not less?

You have bowl games in the far reaches of the footprint. Just saying.

Personally I think Brooklyn is a much more likely option. Seeing how the A-10 they signed on with is not the same A-10 in another year or two, they could be very open to the ACC every once in a while.

MSG wants a long term deal and the ACC will never agree to that. Not while Tobacco Rd still runs things.
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Greensboro is small time...unless you have UNC, NC State, Duke & Wake in tow.

Going forward on the weekend, you may have Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville in Greensboro on Saturday and Sunday. Why on earth would you want that? Folks from those places have 0 interest in going to Greensboro NC...Charlotte maybe because they can stay next to its Coliseum, its all downtown and clean, it has a major airport, etc... While the GC complex is not bad itself, the surroundings are not world class amenities that people want to travel to. Greensboro is local, not national.

NYC...c'mon, is this really a legit question?
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Between semis Swofford just said (on ACC Network) when asked about the future of the Tournament said this (paraphrased but pretty close to exactly)

"we are set for Greensboro for the next two years, the ADs are in the process of discussing what we do in the future, with our footprint expanded there may be some opportunities to play somewhere in our new footprint that will be beneficial to the league, we are having those discussions now, but I think it is fairly safe to say that the future may represent the past a bit looking forward because the roots of the tournament are so strong here in North Carolina and much of the success that has been built over the years has been here in North Carolina."
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(03-16-2013 03:06 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Greensboro is small time...unless you have UNC, NC State, Duke & Wake in tow.

Going forward on the weekend, you may have Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville in Greensboro on Saturday and Sunday. Why on earth would you want that? Folks from those places have 0 interest in going to Greensboro NC...Charlotte maybe because they can stay next to its Coliseum, its all downtown and clean, it has a major airport, etc... While the GC complex is not bad itself, the surroundings are not world class amenities that people want to travel to. Greensboro is local, not national.

NYC...c'mon, is this really a legit question?

The tickets have already been sold and the people are already there on Saturday and Sunday so which teams are actually in the semis doesn't really matter in that regard. Do you really think alum from Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, or BC are going to not go to the ACCT because a resturant they really like isn't in Greensboro but is in Charlotte? Or because the airport isn't as large? Talk about elitist.
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(03-16-2013 03:18 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  Between semis Swofford just said (on ACC Network) when asked about the future of the Tournament said this (paraphrased but pretty close to exactly)

"we are set for Greensboro for the next two years, the ADs are in the process of discussing what we do in the future, with our footprint expanded there may be some opportunities to play somewhere in our new footprint that will be beneficial to the league, we are having those discussions now, but I think it is fairly safe to say that the future may represent the past a bit looking forward because the roots of the tournament are so strong here in North Carolina and much of the success that has been built over the years has been here in North Carolina."

In other words, we'll talk about stuff but as long as Tobacco Rd still runs this conference we'll be in NC most years.

This is in no way proof that being in NC is better than NYC, just where the power of the league is held.
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(03-16-2013 03:27 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:06 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Greensboro is small time...unless you have UNC, NC State, Duke & Wake in tow.

Going forward on the weekend, you may have Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville in Greensboro on Saturday and Sunday. Why on earth would you want that? Folks from those places have 0 interest in going to Greensboro NC...Charlotte maybe because they can stay next to its Coliseum, its all downtown and clean, it has a major airport, etc... While the GC complex is not bad itself, the surroundings are not world class amenities that people want to travel to. Greensboro is local, not national.

NYC...c'mon, is this really a legit question?

The tickets have already been sold and the people are already there on Saturday and Sunday so which teams are actually in the semis doesn't really matter in that regard. Do you really think alum from Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, or BC are going to not go to the ACCT because a resturant they really like isn't in Greensboro but is in Charlotte? Or because the airport isn't as large? Talk about elitist.

If thats the case then i don't think NYC is the right fit for your tournament. The Big East with it's new members will be very happy in Manhattan every year.
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RE: MSG vs. The Greensboro Coliseum
(03-16-2013 03:28 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:18 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  Between semis Swofford just said (on ACC Network) when asked about the future of the Tournament said this (paraphrased but pretty close to exactly)

"we are set for Greensboro for the next two years, the ADs are in the process of discussing what we do in the future, with our footprint expanded there may be some opportunities to play somewhere in our new footprint that will be beneficial to the league, we are having those discussions now, but I think it is fairly safe to say that the future may represent the past a bit looking forward because the roots of the tournament are so strong here in North Carolina and much of the success that has been built over the years has been here in North Carolina."

In other words, we'll talk about stuff but as long as Tobacco Rd still runs this conference we'll be in NC most years.

This is in no way proof that being in NC is better than NYC, just where the power of the league is held.

I didn't post it to make any kind of point, just to provide some factual information regarding what we have been discussing.

It sounds like he is saying that it is very possible that the conference could play in MSG or in Brooklin but not every year. Greensboro will be included because of tradition, location and the great job they always do in hosting the event.

Would you agree that that is what he is saying?
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(03-16-2013 03:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:27 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:06 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Greensboro is small time...unless you have UNC, NC State, Duke & Wake in tow.

Going forward on the weekend, you may have Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville in Greensboro on Saturday and Sunday. Why on earth would you want that? Folks from those places have 0 interest in going to Greensboro NC...Charlotte maybe because they can stay next to its Coliseum, its all downtown and clean, it has a major airport, etc... While the GC complex is not bad itself, the surroundings are not world class amenities that people want to travel to. Greensboro is local, not national.

NYC...c'mon, is this really a legit question?

The tickets have already been sold and the people are already there on Saturday and Sunday so which teams are actually in the semis doesn't really matter in that regard. Do you really think alum from Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, or BC are going to not go to the ACCT because a resturant they really like isn't in Greensboro but is in Charlotte? Or because the airport isn't as large? Talk about elitist.

If thats the case then i don't think NYC is the right fit for your tournament. The Big East with it's new members will be very happy in Manhattan every year.

Since most of your schools are in the area around NYC I would agree with that.04-cheers
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(03-16-2013 03:46 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:30 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:27 PM)lazydawg58 Wrote:  
(03-16-2013 03:06 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Greensboro is small time...unless you have UNC, NC State, Duke & Wake in tow.

Going forward on the weekend, you may have Miami, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville in Greensboro on Saturday and Sunday. Why on earth would you want that? Folks from those places have 0 interest in going to Greensboro NC...Charlotte maybe because they can stay next to its Coliseum, its all downtown and clean, it has a major airport, etc... While the GC complex is not bad itself, the surroundings are not world class amenities that people want to travel to. Greensboro is local, not national.

NYC...c'mon, is this really a legit question?

The tickets have already been sold and the people are already there on Saturday and Sunday so which teams are actually in the semis doesn't really matter in that regard. Do you really think alum from Syracuse, Pitt, Miami, or BC are going to not go to the ACCT because a resturant they really like isn't in Greensboro but is in Charlotte? Or because the airport isn't as large? Talk about elitist.

If thats the case then i don't think NYC is the right fit for your tournament. The Big East with it's new members will be very happy in Manhattan every year.

Since most of your schools are in the area around NYC I would agree with that.04-cheers

Well we're actually about to become the minority what with all the mid-westerners coming in. We don't really mind because they are all so gosh darn polite. Though they seem to get confused in NYC when no one knows what they are talking about when they ask for some "pop".

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(03-16-2013 04:49 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Well we're actually about to become the minority what with all the mid-westerners coming in. We don't really mind because they are all so gosh darn polite. Though they seem to get confused in NYC when no one knows what they are talking about when they ask for some "pop".

Might be difficult for you to hold on the Garden now that youre the minority. I cant imagine New Yorkers are going to get that jazzed up about Creighton vs Marquette or Xavier vs Butler.
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Why is an ECU fan here defending the ACC tournament? Must mean he's a Walheel.
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The only good thing about MSG is its location. Most other tournament venues have far better facilities for their tournaments. MSG is antiquated and lacking in all the modern facilities. WVU fans that traveled to KC to see the B12 Tournament at the Sprint Center discovered that right off...
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(03-17-2013 07:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why is an ECU fan here defending the ACC tournament? Must mean he's a Walheel.

Toss up...we probably have as many wannabe Duke fans as UNCheat fans. I have been to the ACC Tournament and the Big East Tournament. There is absolutely no comparison between the two. The Big East Tournament in MSG is a far superior entertainment product IMO. With that said the ACC definitely just took a big step towards becoming the best Basketball Conference in the country with the addition of Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt and Notre Dame. Charlotte and Greensboro will never be able to replicate the draw of Madison Square Garden in Manhatten. If the ACC could figure out how to get there tournament in NYC in either Manhatten or the Bronx it would be a better Tournament and I am sure that upsets members of the Tobacco Road mafia and the journalist who think ACC Basketball = UNCheat, NCST, Duke and Wake.
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NYC is far and away the best option. Greensboro works out well for UNC and Duke though I suppose, hardly a shocker
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(03-17-2013 07:42 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why is an ECU fan here defending the ACC tournament? Must mean he's a Walheel.
I root for ECU, NCSU, Appalachian State and Campbell. I have connections to all four. So I don't pass the purity test.04-cheers I am definately not a Carolina fan. I do shop at Wal Mart but feel no strong loyalty to the Walton family.01-lauramac2
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(03-17-2013 08:28 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The only good thing about MSG is its location. Most other tournament venues have far better facilities for their tournaments. MSG is antiquated and lacking in all the modern facilities. WVU fans that traveled to KC to see the B12 Tournament at the Sprint Center discovered that right off...

Well you must have missed all the renovations that did. Even last season the lower level was complete and amazing. My bro (WVU guy) took me to the last WVU/SJU game and that was my first glimpse. This season the whole arena is complete and looks great.
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