(03-23-2013 11:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-23-2013 10:41 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 07:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

It fits. And it fits better than a lot of the other scenarios. But, it can't be just an alliance. It needs to be a marriage.

It will work because ESPN wants it to work.

Why would they want to share their sole product with one that Fox has a large stake in?

It keeps the status quo until they (ESPN) are in a better position.

It also prevents ESPiN from being considered a monopoly, which is strictly forbidden by federal law...

(03-19-2013 03:02 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Damn right is!

Fort Drum only has 2 seasons: winter and July!

And Froggy, that truth there that applies to ISU and BU applies to you too.

Yes, My wife is from Turin, NY; just down the road from Ft. Drum

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

I think that Notre Dame would like to have their own network too. But the lesson of the LHN is that one school can not provide enough content for a network, In fact two schools can not provide enough content,
You very well may be correct. I could see a Notre Dame/Big 12/ACC network marketed through the LHN that would have some national appeal, and would have enough all sports (men's and women's) content to provide a full slate of programing.

(03-24-2013 11:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

I think that Notre Dame would like to have their own network too. But the lesson of the LHN is that one school can not provide enough content for a network, In fact two schools can not provide enough content,
You very well may be correct. I could see a Notre Dame/Big 12/ACC network marketed through the LHN that would have some national appeal, and would have enough all sports (men's and women's) content to provide a full slate of programing.

I don't think ND and Texas will play well together. That's a whole lot of ego to deal with...

(03-24-2013 12:20 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 11:58 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

I think that Notre Dame would like to have their own network too. But the lesson of the LHN is that one school can not provide enough content for a network, In fact two schools can not provide enough content,
You very well may be correct. I could see a Notre Dame/Big 12/ACC network marketed through the LHN that would have some national appeal, and would have enough all sports (men's and women's) content to provide a full slate of programing.

I don't think ND and Texas will play well together. That's a whole lot of ego to deal with...

ND has been discussing and working on a digital Irish Network for a few years now.

It has yet to be launched....

Texas and ND have a very good relationship. Dodds and Swarbrick have been talking to each other often since they teamed up to defeat Jim Delany's "Grand Scheme" of incorporating Texas and ND into the Big Ten in 2010.

Texas and ND are apparently brokering some type of ACC/Big 12 scheduling alliance.

ND and Texas have scheduled a four game series with each other in 2015, 2016, 2019 and 2020.

ND has not yet signed a renewal of the NBC deal that terminates in 2015.

Lots of moving parts here.........

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I strongly disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

Huh!

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

You're wrong. ND sees themselves predominantly as an eastern university who through an accident in geography is located in the midwest. Maybe an ND alumnus can correct me on that, but I think ND tries their hardest to get as much exposure on the coasts as possible. Case in point: Notice that ND has started adjusting their schedules to account for the 5 ACC games that they are on the hook for annually. Guess which game they dropped that has been a long term staple. If you said Michigan, then your are correct. If ND was truly most enamored with any conferences - but chose not to join any at this time in order to preserve their independence - then why cut out one of the B1G schools from the long term schedule? Doesn't make sense if what you say is correct.

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

Long answer- Hell No. Short answer- No

(03-24-2013 02:31 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

You're wrong. ND sees themselves predominantly as an eastern university who through an accident in geography is located in the midwest. Maybe an ND alumnus can correct me on that, but I think ND tries their hardest to get as much exposure on the coasts as possible. Case in point: Notice that ND has started adjusting their schedules to account for the 5 ACC games that they are on the hook for annually. Guess which game they dropped that has been a long term staple. If you said Michigan, then your are correct. If ND was truly most enamored with any conferences - but chose not to join any at this time in order to preserve their independence - then why cut out one of the B1G schools from the long term schedule? Doesn't make sense if what you say is correct.

You nailed it.

Stole this from Terry since I couldn't find it on my hard drive. We see our self as an east coast team stuck in the mid-west.

Quote:Notre Dame has a distinct identity that is the product of more than a century and a half of institutional independence," Father Malloy said in describing the decision. "As a Catholic university with a national constituency, we believe independence continues to be our best way forward, not just in athletics, but, first and foremost, in fulfillment of our academic aspirations. . . .

The decision, Father Malloy explained, ultimately hinged on the institutional identity of Notre Dame. "Just as the Universities of Michigan or Wisconsin or Illinois have core identities as the flagship institutions of their states, so Notre Dame has a core identity, and at that core are these characteristics--Catholic, private, independent," he said.

As a Big Ten and CIC member, Father Malloy pointed out, "Notre Dame would be one of only two private universities . . . and the only university with a religious affiliation." Notre Dame also, he said, would be by far the smallest of the affiliated institutions.

The Catholic character of Notre Dame, Father Malloy said, " . . . gives a unique perspective to our educational mission and permeates our campus culture. Our most basic decisions concerning student life, our faculty, our core curriculum, even the fields of scholarship and research in which we aspire to make a significant contribution, all reflect the fact that we are a Catholic university.

"These differences in identity between Notre Dame and the member institutions of the Big Ten are essential, not incidental," Father Malloy said. "They are not qualities that are amenable to change, nor would we change them. Notre Dame always will be Catholic and always will be private. Even in terms of size, we will not become appreciably larger. Given these realities, we have had to ask ourselves the fundamental question, does this core identity of Notre Dame as Catholic, private, and independent seem a match for an association of universities--even a splendid association of great universities--that are uniformly secular, predominantly state institutions and with a long heritage of conference affiliation.

"Our answer to that question, in the final analysis, is no."

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

It is both. ND wants to remain independent and also not "pigeon holed" as a Midwestern school.

ND wants the major Eastern markets from Boston to Miami.

Jack Swarbrick told Brian Hamilton of the Chicago Tribune a few days ago that with their schedule and move to the ACC, ND sports will play in 11 of the top 12 markets in the USA.

ND's first, second or third choice of a conference will not be the Big Ten.

ND has done all that it can for years to stay the hell out of the Big Ten, ever since it rejected the Big Ten's offer in 1999.

If ND has to join a conference, it will not want to join the Big Ten.

(03-24-2013 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

It is both. ND wants to remain independent and also not "pigeon holed" as a Midwestern school.

ND wants the major Eastern markets from Boston to Miami.

Jack Swarbrick told Brian Hamilton of the Chicago Tribune a few days ago that with their schedule and move to the ACC, ND sports will play in 11 of the top 12 markets in the USA.

ND's first, second or third choice of a conference will not be the Big Ten.

ND has done all that it can the past 14 years to stay the hell out of the Big Ten, even since it rejected the Big Ten's offer in 1999.

If ND has to join a conference, it will not want to join the Big Ten.

Could you be a little more definitive TerryD?

(03-24-2013 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ...ND's first, second or third choice of a conference will not be the Big Ten.

ND has done all that it can for years to stay the hell out of the Big Ten, ever since it rejected the Big Ten's offer in 1999.

If ND has to join a conference, it will not want to join the Big Ten.

Now look what you did, Terry... now everybody will be posting their theories on who the other 2 conferences (besides the ACC) might be!

(03-24-2013 02:31 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 01:48 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

You're wrong. ND sees themselves predominantly as an eastern university who through an accident in geography is located in the midwest. Maybe an ND alumnus can correct me on that, but I think ND tries their hardest to get as much exposure on the coasts as possible. Case in point: Notice that ND has started adjusting their schedules to account for the 5 ACC games that they are on the hook for annually. Guess which game they dropped that has been a long term staple. If you said Michigan, then your are correct. If ND was truly most enamored with any conferences - but chose not to join any at this time in order to preserve their independence - then why cut out one of the B1G schools from the long term schedule? Doesn't make sense if what you say is correct.

I suppose I am partially wrong, but so are you. My basis for disagreeing with you, was because of your statement that ... " the reason Notre Dame did not join the Big10 was they did not want to be associated wirh the Midwest". I said..."the reason was because they wanted to remain Independent". Which is supported by domer1978's post quoting Father Malloy about Notre Dame being catholic, private and independent. No where does he say anything about not wanting to be associated with the the Midwest. That would be ironic considering Notre Dame is in the Midwest.

In hindsight I should have left the last sentence off my post about them choosing the Big10 if push came to shove. That was just an after thought and not why I disagreed with you

(03-19-2013 12:22 PM)YA! Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 12:08 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Baylor and ISU want whatever scenario keeps the only Power conference that will have them alive.

If that meant adding Eastern Washington and U of Monterey, they would go it without a seconds hesitation.

About the only truthful thing you said on this board in awhile.

Did you go to a$m for a semester?

No, A&m laughed at his application because he wasn't smart enough to go there. He is trying to get into TCU.

(03-24-2013 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

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(03-24-2013 10:18 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(03-19-2013 06:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-18-2013 04:33 PM)Maize Wrote:  Interesting piece...one thing is certain...Texas doesn't want to go past 10 schools...

But they could use some inventory for the LHN. Since ESPN owns the content for the ACC and the LHN it is a marriage made in heaven.

This could very well be the end game for ESPN, ACC and Big 12. Roll the LHN into an expanded network shared by ACC and Big12. That could be quite a lucrative deal moving forward. But who knows. As I and a few of us in the minority believe - the ACC is largely stable and I don't see the Big12 being poached either. We're getting to the point where too much more movement will hurt the schools more than benefit them by getting into a conference with more money. FSU and Clemson did not pursue the Big12 in the end because the fit is not there. The geography simply does not work. Just like the geography does not work for the B1G trying to get into the southeast. It's quite telling that a school like ND - which is objectively a better fit for the B1G than any southern ACC school - wants no part of joining the B1G. The reason is simple: ND does not want to be associated with the midwest. Why would schools in Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia want to lock themselves into the midwest? It makes no sense.

Anyways, who knows what will really happen in the end. I'll never say never, but logically, I think this is designed to get a network for both conferences off the ground. I also think that geography is now coming into play here.

You say "ND wants no part of joining the Big10 becsause they do not want to be associated with the Midwest". I disagree...ND does not want to join the Big10 because they do not want to give up their independence, not because they do dont want to be associated with the Midwest. Notre Dame is the Midwest!!

If ND ever decides to join a conference, their first choice will most likely be the Big10.

It is both. ND wants to remain independent and also not "pigeon holed" as a Midwestern school.

ND wants the major Eastern markets from Boston to Miami.

Jack Swarbrick told Brian Hamilton of the Chicago Tribune a few days ago that with their schedule and move to the ACC, ND sports will play in 11 of the top 12 markets in the USA.

ND's first, second or third choice of a conference will not be the Big Ten.

ND has done all that it can for years to stay the hell out of the Big Ten, ever since it rejected the Big Ten's offer in 1999.

If ND has to join a conference, it will not want to join the Big Ten.

Terry, as I said in my OP, I believe Notre Dame wants to remain Independent, probably until the last dog dies.

However, I have a question. It appears that most knowledgeable people believe realignment will continue. Also, many believe the Big10, the SEC and the Big12 will poach most all of the ACC teams and we will then end up with 4 major conferences, the Big10, SEC, Big12 and PAC12. If the playoffs develop to the point Notre Dame is forced to join a conference. Which conference will they want to join?.......... if as you say their first, second, or third choice will not be the Big10?

I don't think that realignment will be as extensive as most or many people do.

I think that ND will either join the ACC in full (before or after realignment) or stay affiliated with the ACC after realignment is done.

I think that 4x16 and those conferences breaking off from the NCAA is a pipe dream and will not happen.

I think that the alliance of ND, Texas, the ACC and ESPN will stop or limit conference realignment.

Either way, I think that there will always be room for an independent ND in any post-realignment universe. I don't think that ND will be forced to join a conference or be "left behind".

But, what the hell do I know? I am just scratching my ass and guessing, just like everyone else on realignment message boards.

(03-25-2013 07:37 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I don't think that realignment will be as extensive as most or many people do.

I think that ND will either join the ACC in full (before or after realignment) or stay affiliated with the ACC after realignment is done.

I think that 4x16 and those conferences breaking off from the NCAA is a pipe dream and will not happen.

I think that the alliance of ND, Texas, the ACC and ESPN will stop or limit conference realignment.

Either way, I think that there will always be room for an independent ND in any post-realignment universe. I don't think that ND will be forced to join a conference or be "left behind".

But, what the hell do I know? I am just scratching my ass and guessing, just like everyone else on realignment message boards.

I actually agree with you. Everyone wants 4-16 because it sounds clean and neat but it's logistically impossible unless the Big 12 is the conference that dies. PAC is not going to 16 without Texas. I also agree with you that if Texas, ND, and especially ESPN want to stop realignment they pretty much can. If Texas keeps the B12 at 10, ND sticks with the ACC either partially or eventually all sports, and ESPN closes the gap ACC's gap enough with the other leagues to keep them around then realignment is pretty much done for a while. I think ESPN has a big incentive to keep the ACC stable. It's the only contract league they own completely.