(03-24-2013 06:44 PM)S11 Wrote:  Tallgrass- quit baiting the nBE posters. I renamed the thread to limit that.

As long as you acknowledge that you made the change, I have no problem with that. But your title is incorrect. With the two Nbe concessions, for Navy, heads I win; tails, I win that too.

The basic problem is two Realignment Boards are need, one for Nbe/A12 fans and another for all other conferences. The Nbe/A12 fans have co-opted this board and assume it is theirs.

Post on any other conference--such as B12 problems, Longhorns, WVA's financial issues, etc--and no one, including Nbe fans, complains.

Trollgrass at it again today.

(03-25-2013 09:17 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 06:44 PM)S11 Wrote:  Tallgrass- quit baiting the nBE posters. I renamed the thread to limit that.

As long as you acknowledge that you made the change, I have no problem with that. But your title is incorrect. With the two Nbe concessions, for Navy, heads I win; tails, I win that too.

The basic problem is two Realignment Boards are need, one for Nbe/A12 fans and another for all other conferences. The Nbe/A12 fans have co-opted this board and assume it is theirs.

Post on any other conference--such as B12 problems, Longhorns, WVA's financial issues, etc--and no one, including Nbe fans, complains.

Why don't you put it to a test then Tallgrass? Why don't you harp on every little move one of the other conferences makes (just one) and point to something negative it means...and then do it over and over and over and over for months on end. Do you think the reactions would be more similar to what you do with the nBE?

Still haven't figured out your negative obsession with that conference. They don't have most of the former teams to hate. They have teams that you felt were good in C-USA. Even though you don't like the moves, the moves have been made. Everything is pretty much ancient history by now. Navy is still coming and their home TV games will roll into the new conferences' deal when their current one ends. Tulsa will probably be invited. Not really any new or different news for quite some time. So why keep pounding that conference into the dirt? Not much to pound now. You are just beating a dead horse.

(03-25-2013 09:58 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:17 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 06:44 PM)S11 Wrote:  Tallgrass- quit baiting the nBE posters. I renamed the thread to limit that.

As long as you acknowledge that you made the change, I have no problem with that. But your title is incorrect. With the two Nbe concessions, for Navy, heads I win; tails, I win that too.

The basic problem is two Realignment Boards are need, one for Nbe/A12 fans and another for all other conferences. The Nbe/A12 fans have co-opted this board and assume it is theirs.

Post on any other conference--such as B12 problems, Longhorns, WVA's financial issues, etc--and no one, including Nbe fans, complains.

Why don't you put it to a test then Tallgrass? Why don't you harp on every little move one of the other conferences makes (just one) and point to something negative it means...and then do it over and over and over and over for months on end. Do you think the reactions would be more similar to what you do with the nBE?

Still haven't figured out your negative obsession with that conference. They don't have most of the former teams to hate. They have teams that you felt were good in C-USA. Even though you don't like the moves, the moves have been made. Everything is pretty much ancient history by now. Navy is still coming and their home TV games will roll into the new conferences' deal when their current one ends. Tulsa will probably be invited. Not really any new or different news for quite some time. So why keep pounding that conference into the dirt? Not much to pound now. You are just beating a dead horse.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=624585
And, of course, no one objected to post.

Regarding your over and over comment, this is new info not posted before, that Navy has negotiated into its acceptance agreement a guarantee of tv monies and a guarantee that all its games are nationally telecast via the Nbe/A12 contract. No other NBE team has such an agreement. We saw this before with Boise/MWC, and I don't recall posters on this board objecting to putting Boise/MWC negotiations/agreement on this board for discussion.

What you call an obsession, I am going to call the Realignment Circus....and this Realignment Circus is not yet played out. I am following the Realignment Circus and will follow it to its conclusion. Isn't this what this board is all about, the continued Realignment Circus? If no future realignment is going to happen, then this board needs to be shut down NOW.

Why do people try to have serious discussions with trollgrass? I'm waiting for one person to explain how what Navy is doing is different than what C-USA let ECU in 1997 when we were allowed to play out the rest of our independent deal with ESPN. I'm betting in all trollgrass' ramblings he avoided that post I made earlier. I guess C-USA was bending over backwards for ECU in 97 since they let us stay with the ESPN deal till 2000.

(03-24-2013 08:26 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  The true significance of this article is that Navy was invited in November 2011 and knew way back then that the huge figures being publicly thrown out for the new Nbe/A12 tv contract were false. And so Navy put this caveat into its acceptance agreement to protect itself. Arseco and the Nbe/A12 leadership were either blind or totally uniformed and probably both. The only surprise about the C7 withdrawing was why did it take them so long? Ditto for Boise.

Navy joined the conference in January 2012.

They had been approached several times over the years before and after spring/summer 2011, when ESPN offered the conference over $13-million per school. There was no reason to believe the conference's media payout per school wouldn't meet Navy's current $3-million contract, until the second half of September 2012, after ESPN and the ACC made the Notre Dame jump possible, and a bunch of realignment dominoes fell with Rutgers and Louisville.

(03-25-2013 10:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why do people try to have serious discussions with trollgrass? I'm waiting for one person to explain how what Navy is doing is different than what C-USA let ECU in 1997 when we were allowed to play out the rest of our independent deal with ESPN. I'm betting in all trollgrass' ramblings he avoided that post I made earlier. I guess C-USA was bending over backwards for ECU in 97 since they let us stay with the ESPN deal till 2000.

No, I think its known that Navy's home games will be rolled into the conference after the contract with CBS is up. However, the bigger issue is the ND 'home' game and the Army/Navy game will not be part of the conference and belong to Navy so that they don't lose out on TV revenue they would be getting stay indy.

(03-25-2013 11:04 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  However, the bigger issue is the ND 'home' game and the Army/Navy game will not be part of the conference and belong to Navy so that they don't lose out on TV renvenue they would be getting stay indy.

I think they will only keep rights to that, IF and only IF, the conference contract doesn't meet the threshold of their media value, once their home games are included. If the conference does reach that magic number, then the Army-Navy and ND games will too be rolled into the conference deal. If ESPN is interested in those broadcasts -- they will make sure the money is there to get them in the conference deal. Simple as that -- if ESPN doesn't want them, which I doubt, they love Notre Dame broadcasts (look how they enabled the ACC to snag some ND games), then the money will be there. Watch for a play for Army next...

(03-25-2013 10:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why do people try to have serious discussions with trollgrass?

Why, indeed?

The obsessive (and frankly, weird) nature of Trollgrass' negative comments about the Aresco league became obvious a long time ago. Unless and until he wants to share the reasons for that obsession, the rest of us can only speculate what is driving it. But obviously there is something more -- a lot more -- to this than meets the eye.

(03-25-2013 10:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:58 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:17 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 06:44 PM)S11 Wrote:  Tallgrass- quit baiting the nBE posters. I renamed the thread to limit that.

As long as you acknowledge that you made the change, I have no problem with that. But your title is incorrect. With the two Nbe concessions, for Navy, heads I win; tails, I win that too.

The basic problem is two Realignment Boards are need, one for Nbe/A12 fans and another for all other conferences. The Nbe/A12 fans have co-opted this board and assume it is theirs.

Post on any other conference--such as B12 problems, Longhorns, WVA's financial issues, etc--and no one, including Nbe fans, complains.

Why don't you put it to a test then Tallgrass? Why don't you harp on every little move one of the other conferences makes (just one) and point to something negative it means...and then do it over and over and over and over for months on end. Do you think the reactions would be more similar to what you do with the nBE?

Still haven't figured out your negative obsession with that conference. They don't have most of the former teams to hate. They have teams that you felt were good in C-USA. Even though you don't like the moves, the moves have been made. Everything is pretty much ancient history by now. Navy is still coming and their home TV games will roll into the new conferences' deal when their current one ends. Tulsa will probably be invited. Not really any new or different news for quite some time. So why keep pounding that conference into the dirt? Not much to pound now. You are just beating a dead horse.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=624585
And, of course, no one objected to post.

Regarding your over and over comment, this is new info not posted before, that Navy has negotiated into its acceptance agreement a guarantee of tv monies and a guarantee that all its games are nationally telecast via the Nbe/A12 contract. No other NBE team has such an agreement. We saw this before with Boise/MWC, and I don't recall posters on this board objecting to putting Boise/MWC negotiations/agreement on this board for discussion.

What you call an obsession, I am going to call the Realignment Circus....and this Realignment Circus is not yet played out. I am following the Realignment Circus and will follow it to its conclusion. Isn't this what this board is all about, the continued Realignment Circus? If no future realignment is going to happen, then this board needs to be shut down NOW.

Typical. You use an example of a singular thread. If your did it to that conference the same way you do the Metro, they'd react the same.

PS. The realignment circus includes more than one conference. People don't question your content, just that it is OVERWHELMINGLY towards one conference. A few examples of others doesn't indicate otherwise.

(03-24-2013 07:12 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It's interesting to read the different interpretations of this. I guess C-USA gave ECU a "Boise like" deal in the 90s when they allowed us to honor the last 3 years of our ESPN Indy deal.

(03-24-2013 08:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 06:14 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 05:18 PM)Chappy Wrote:  "Gladchuk said Aresco will likely renegotiate the league’s deal with ESPN to reflect the addition of Navy home games along with those against Notre Dame and Army."

The way I interpret that is that when the current deals Navy has expire, they will become part of a re-negotiated C-TBA contract, and thus shared with the conference.

I read it to say that Navy, under no circumstance, will decrease their television revenue. So, if the future contracts regarding ND and Army are comparable to the current contracts then the amounts would belong 100% to Navy.

IF that's the proper interpretation then it's a better "special deal" than Boise got. IF it's only to finish out contracts and Navy gets to keep 100% of those contracts....and then the next round of ND and Army money becomes part of the no-name conference, there's no Navy strong arm tactics.

I see it as the former and not the latter.

Actually, this looks EXACTLY like the same deal ECU got when they joined CUSA. ECU finished out thier existing Raycom independent television contract and then became part of the CUSA package. There would be no reason for Aresco to renegotiate the TV package if Navys was not part of the C-TBA future media package. If Navy was to stay on thier own contract they would just negotiate a NEW deal. Only adding them to the existing C-TBA package would require "renegotiation".

(03-25-2013 10:55 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why do people try to have serious discussions with trollgrass? I'm waiting for one person to explain how what Navy is doing is different than what C-USA let ECU in 1997 when we were allowed to play out the rest of our independent deal with ESPN. I'm betting in all trollgrass' ramblings he avoided that post I made earlier. I guess C-USA was bending over backwards for ECU in 97 since they let us stay with the ESPN deal till 2000.

Amazing how many responses there were that this was just like what Boise wanted, plus the number of responses since the first two posts....yet no one (save for MWC Tex) wants to comment. Not as if it's the first time by any means. Nor will it be the last.

Because of that...not sure why you guys try anymore. Who honestly cares what Tallgrass or a bunch of posters think re: this being the same as Boise or not. Our conference is better off with this, and it doesn't seem to be a problem to any of the AD's or Presidents. Let it be.

The OP is a pretty big troll, but he does bring up an issue with the Navy agreements. I can't see Navy being willing to throw all of their eggs in the Aresco basket. No doubt it will retain its own deals to a certain extent.

But the OP is really over the top. Not sure what he gets out of doing all this Aresco conf bashing. I like the Aresco conference and the schools within it - like Memphis for example.

(03-25-2013 12:07 PM)miko33 Wrote:  The OP is a pretty big troll, but he does bring up an issue with the Navy agreements. I can't see Navy being willing to throw all of their eggs in the Aresco basket. No doubt it will retain its own deals to a certain extent.

But the OP is really over the top. Not sure what he gets out of doing all this Aresco conf bashing. I like the Aresco conference and the schools within it - like Memphis for example.

Pot meet Kettle

(03-25-2013 11:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:58 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:17 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 06:44 PM)S11 Wrote:  Tallgrass- quit baiting the nBE posters. I renamed the thread to limit that.

As long as you acknowledge that you made the change, I have no problem with that. But your title is incorrect. With the two Nbe concessions, for Navy, heads I win; tails, I win that too.

The basic problem is two Realignment Boards are need, one for Nbe/A12 fans and another for all other conferences. The Nbe/A12 fans have co-opted this board and assume it is theirs.

Post on any other conference--such as B12 problems, Longhorns, WVA's financial issues, etc--and no one, including Nbe fans, complains.

Why don't you put it to a test then Tallgrass? Why don't you harp on every little move one of the other conferences makes (just one) and point to something negative it means...and then do it over and over and over and over for months on end. Do you think the reactions would be more similar to what you do with the nBE?

Still haven't figured out your negative obsession with that conference. They don't have most of the former teams to hate. They have teams that you felt were good in C-USA. Even though you don't like the moves, the moves have been made. Everything is pretty much ancient history by now. Navy is still coming and their home TV games will roll into the new conferences' deal when their current one ends. Tulsa will probably be invited. Not really any new or different news for quite some time. So why keep pounding that conference into the dirt? Not much to pound now. You are just beating a dead horse.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=624585
And, of course, no one objected to post.

Regarding your over and over comment, this is new info not posted before, that Navy has negotiated into its acceptance agreement a guarantee of tv monies and a guarantee that all its games are nationally telecast via the Nbe/A12 contract. No other NBE team has such an agreement. We saw this before with Boise/MWC, and I don't recall posters on this board objecting to putting Boise/MWC negotiations/agreement on this board for discussion.

What you call an obsession, I am going to call the Realignment Circus....and this Realignment Circus is not yet played out. I am following the Realignment Circus and will follow it to its conclusion. Isn't this what this board is all about, the continued Realignment Circus? If no future realignment is going to happen, then this board needs to be shut down NOW.

Typical. You use an example of a singular thread. If your did it to that conference the same way you do the Metro, they'd react the same.

PS. The realignment circus includes more than one conference. People don't question your content, just that it is OVERWHELMINGLY towards one conference. A few examples of others doesn't indicate otherwise.

I am a CUSA and B12 fan. No conference got so OVERWHELMINGLY taunted, mocked, and jeered more than the B12. B12 got mocked by everyone, absolutely everyone including Nbe fans of course. But I never complained. I like open boards that allow every opinion to be expressed. My favorite board is the MWC, which never censored.

(03-24-2013 04:04 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Also negotiates that all Navy away conference games are telecast.

"Basically, our deal with the Big East stated that under no circumstances would Navy lose ground in terms of television or revenue, Navy AD Gladchuk said.

CBS WILL RETAIN RIGHTS TO NAVY FOOTBALL GAMES THROUGH 2017, 2018
By Bill Wagner, Capital Gazette, March 20, 2013

Keeping Navy is great news. Thanks for keeping us posted.

You gotta love when 1 troll calls out another troll for trolling. Miko is a much better troll than Trollgrass though. He is actually able to construct posts and topics that are trolling but appear to not be. Trollgrass doesn't even try to hide what he's doing.

(03-25-2013 12:30 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(03-24-2013 04:04 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Also negotiates that all Navy away conference games are telecast.

"Basically, our deal with the Big East stated that under no circumstances would Navy lose ground in terms of television or revenue, Navy AD Gladchuk said.

CBS WILL RETAIN RIGHTS TO NAVY FOOTBALL GAMES THROUGH 2017, 2018
By Bill Wagner, Capital Gazette, March 20, 2013

Keeping Navy is great news. Thanks for keeping us posted.

Since all Navy home and away games are guaranteed to be televised nationally on ESPN according to Navy AD, I sort of interpret that as Navy will be playing no midweek games. But who knows? I may be mistaken here. But Arseco hasn't released the details of the Nbe/A12 tv contract, which I find rather astonishing at this point.

(03-25-2013 12:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 11:34 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 10:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:58 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 09:17 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  As long as you acknowledge that you made the change, I have no problem with that. But your title is incorrect. With the two Nbe concessions, for Navy, heads I win; tails, I win that too.

The basic problem is two Realignment Boards are need, one for Nbe/A12 fans and another for all other conferences. The Nbe/A12 fans have co-opted this board and assume it is theirs.

Post on any other conference--such as B12 problems, Longhorns, WVA's financial issues, etc--and no one, including Nbe fans, complains.

Why don't you put it to a test then Tallgrass? Why don't you harp on every little move one of the other conferences makes (just one) and point to something negative it means...and then do it over and over and over and over for months on end. Do you think the reactions would be more similar to what you do with the nBE?

Still haven't figured out your negative obsession with that conference. They don't have most of the former teams to hate. They have teams that you felt were good in C-USA. Even though you don't like the moves, the moves have been made. Everything is pretty much ancient history by now. Navy is still coming and their home TV games will roll into the new conferences' deal when their current one ends. Tulsa will probably be invited. Not really any new or different news for quite some time. So why keep pounding that conference into the dirt? Not much to pound now. You are just beating a dead horse.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=624585
And, of course, no one objected to post.

Regarding your over and over comment, this is new info not posted before, that Navy has negotiated into its acceptance agreement a guarantee of tv monies and a guarantee that all its games are nationally telecast via the Nbe/A12 contract. No other NBE team has such an agreement. We saw this before with Boise/MWC, and I don't recall posters on this board objecting to putting Boise/MWC negotiations/agreement on this board for discussion.

What you call an obsession, I am going to call the Realignment Circus....and this Realignment Circus is not yet played out. I am following the Realignment Circus and will follow it to its conclusion. Isn't this what this board is all about, the continued Realignment Circus? If no future realignment is going to happen, then this board needs to be shut down NOW.

Typical. You use an example of a singular thread. If your did it to that conference the same way you do the Metro, they'd react the same.

PS. The realignment circus includes more than one conference. People don't question your content, just that it is OVERWHELMINGLY towards one conference. A few examples of others doesn't indicate otherwise.

I am a CUSA and B12 fan. No conference got so OVERWHELMINGLY taunted, mocked, and jeered more than the B12. B12 got mocked by everyone, absolutely everyone including Nbe fans of course. But I never complained. I like open boards that allow every opinion to be expressed. My favorite board is the MWC, which never censored.

You keep dancing around what I'm saying. I'm not talking about what you do when your favorite conferences are attacked over and over. I'm talking about you being on the offensive. Just wondering why your incessant barrage is only towards the Metro? Why don't you do the same to other conferences? Why only the Metro? You say you do and post a link to one thread. That isn't the same at all. I mean where you drive it into the ground with whatever conference like you do the Metro. A singular poster who posts 98% of his post with negative views towards one single conference. You don't do that with other conferences. I think the Metro fans would be fine with what you post (and the content) if it were just a post or two and not so glaringly directed at a single conference. You aren't being censored. People are just asking that you keep the attack reasonable and not to the level where it reaches almost vendetta-like status. Still trying to figure out why you feel you must "expose" the realignment circus for the Metro only? You don't give equal negative treatment for all conferences. A ton has gone wrong for C-USA, ACC, Sun Belt and even MWC at points. You make hardly a peep. Maybe a post here or there but you don't dedicate the same onslaught you do with the Metro. Amazing you even try to deny it.

Your content and opinions are fine. At some point, the intent of what you are trying to do is evident and it goes far beyond just reporting on the events...especially when it's only the events around one particular conference and the amount of the onslaught is about 100 times the average poster.

(03-25-2013 01:21 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(03-25-2013 12:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  I am a CUSA and B12 fan. No conference got so OVERWHELMINGLY taunted, mocked, and jeered more than the B12. B12 got mocked by everyone, absolutely everyone including Nbe fans of course. But I never complained. I like open boards that allow every opinion to be expressed. My favorite board is the MWC, which never censored.

You keep dancing around what I'm saying. I'm not talking about what you do when your favorite conferences are attacked over and over. I'm talking about you being on the offensive... You aren't being censored. People are just asking that you keep the attack reasonable and not to the level where it reaches almost vendetta-like status.

Actually, even the "vendetta-like" obsession doesn't bother me that much. I'm just curious what the reason for the vendetta is in the first place. Or at least I used to be curious about it. After the first 500 or so snarky posts, I got bored waiting for the answer. I suppose the semi-explanatory comment quoted by Apex-Pirate will have to do: Trollgrass was butthurt after Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri all decided to leave the Big <12, and he copes with it by misspelling Aresco's name as "Arseco" and denigrating the schools that Aresco represents in media-interviews.

Look, if you guys don't like what Tallgrass says, put him on ignore. But I'm getting sick of all the complaining. So either put him on ignore, or shut the hell up. I'm going to start smacking people around here otherwise...