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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
(03-30-2013 03:18 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-30-2013 03:02 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  You get no say in what the MAC should do as long as you are a Buckeyes fan. Ohio State should shut their program down.
Oh, balderdash, as a MAC alum, I have as much say as most anyone on these boards. Hell, I'll even cheer for my Alma Mater in hockey as they fight to get to the Frozen Four this year. After all, there were hockey players in our dorms.

Indeed, in this part of Ohio, if the Golden Flashes turned away every Buckeyes fan, they'd be getting rid of a big chunk of their fanbase.

Yea we would lose a lot of our fanbase and students but that is still not an excuse. It is one thing to be a fan of the popular state school, it is a whole another thing to cheer for them over your own Alma Mater.

Being from New York (but with parents from Florida) I have no connection to the Borg Collective down in Columbus and I am happier for it. It is too bad the programming is too ingrained.

My parents are Florida Alumni. I was brought up a Gator fan. I was also the one cheering the hardest for Kent to beat Florida in the College World Series. Kent State is where I went to school and it is therefor my number one team that I cheer for over all others. Even though I still cheer for Florida any time that I am asked which college team I cheer for I always say Kent State first. Perhaps others should do the same.

Kent State would be better for it. We have plenty of alumni and considering the school's athletic success in the past what 20 years we really should be supporting it better. Heck it would help with the respect angle since for example people around here respect big gaudy attendance numbers rather than actual on the field success of a school's athletic programs. The athletes deserve it and they do it with so much less than the money hogs down in C-Bus.
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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
(03-31-2013 01:43 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Yea we would lose a lot of our fanbase and students but that is still not an excuse. It is one thing to be a fan of the popular state school, it is a whole another thing to cheer for them over your own Alma Mater.
Yeah, but then again in football I cheer for Kent State as the local team over my Alma Mater. Except in hockey, of course, since there were hockey players in our dorms, so that's different, but I didn't go to University to get a football team to cheer for, I went for an education. And despite the preppies and the silly Greek culture across the street in Main Campus, it was an excellent undergraduate education.

Quote: Being from New York (but with parents from Florida) I have no connection to the Borg Collective down in Columbus and I am happier for it. It is too bad the programming is too ingrained.
Its too bad you didn't have a school to cheer for growing up and had to borrow your parent's school. I remember watching the Buckeyes and the Ohio State Marching Band play in the Horseshoe when my mom was a senior and got tickets. And of course, of the ten schools in the Licking County AA football conference, nine had the OSU fight song as their fight song (IIRC Newark Catholic had a different traditional football fight song, for some reason).

Quote: My parents are Florida Alumni. I was brought up a Gator fan. I was also the one cheering the hardest for Kent to beat Florida in the College World Series. Kent State is where I went to school and it is therefor my number one team that I cheer for over all others.
When I lived in Knoxville, I want to a couple of early games most years and cheered for the Volunteers playing against some hapless payday punching bag. When I lived in Newcastle, I cheered for the Newcastle Knights in the ARL and the Newcastle Breakers in the NRL, and when Australian soccer upgraded from semi-pro to pro, I cheered for the Newcastle Jets in the A-league. And of course, since they didn't really have American football in Australia, my kid grew up a Vols fan.

Living in Ravenna, it would be silly to pretend to a college life I never lived, pretending that I was in the stands cheering the Redskins on when I was in college. I was normally recuperating from Friday night, getting some reading done, or earning my work-study money working in the Library.

Quote: Even though I still cheer for Florida any time that I am asked which college team I cheer for I always say Kent State first. Perhaps others should do the same.

Kent State would be better for it. We have plenty of alumni and considering the school's athletic success in the past what 20 years we really should be supporting it better. Heck it would help with the respect angle since for example people around here respect big gaudy attendance numbers rather than actual on the field success of a school's athletic programs. The athletes deserve it and they do it with so much less than the money hogs down in C-Bus.
But I don't see the administration pursuing what seems to be your proposed strategy of turning away locals who aren't Kent State students or alumni unless they swear their absolute faith and fidelity to Kent State and never cheer for any team in the Big Ten ... since I don't think that strategy is going to actually net any extra attendance.
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(03-28-2013 10:40 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  Odu did something similar last year. The rumor broke and was known to be very serious in mid April. Odu didn't officially announce the move until mid may.

Sun Belt needs a replacement playing Sun Belt schedule for 2014 to maintain their full BCS cut. So SB offer would have that requirement of filing NCAA paperwork right away. If not - ugh, welcome LU.
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(04-01-2013 02:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(03-28-2013 10:40 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  Odu did something similar last year. The rumor broke and was known to be very serious in mid April. Odu didn't officially announce the move until mid may.

Sun Belt needs a replacement playing Sun Belt schedule for 2014 to maintain their full BCS cut. So SB offer would have that requirement of filing NCAA paperwork right away. If not - ugh, welcome LU.
Having three transitioning schools at the same time might make it hard to meet the five FBS home game requirement.

Though maybe they've sorted that out and that's why they added Idaho and NMSU, to spread their away games around to help out schools who would otherwise be in a bind.
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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
(04-01-2013 02:54 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(03-28-2013 10:40 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  Odu did something similar last year. The rumor broke and was known to be very serious in mid April. Odu didn't officially announce the move until mid may.

Sun Belt needs a replacement playing Sun Belt schedule for 2014 to maintain their full BCS cut. So SB offer would have that requirement of filing NCAA paperwork right away. If not - ugh, welcome LU.
Having three transitioning schools at the same time might make it hard to meet the five FBS home game requirement.

Though maybe they've sorted that out and that's why they added Idaho and NMSU, to spread their away games around to help out schools who would otherwise be in a bind.

Transitioning schools count as FBS home games from my understanding. South Alabama and Texas State counted as FBS games this past season, which was the second (and final) transition year for both schools. 2013 is Georgia State's second year. App and Georgia Southern's final FBS transition year will be 2014. Any school added from FCS before June 1 can file paperwork to transition on the same schedule as App and Georgia Southern. Enough qualifying FBS games isn't an issue in my view.

NMSU was added because they're not that far outside the footprint and FBS already. I have no idea why Idaho was added.

There are other options besides Liberty if JMU says no. Jacksonville State is ready now and would say yes. SHSU and Lamar might say yes. All three are preferable to Liberty.

The problem JMU has is that if they say no now, they might not get another chance. And that another CAA member might jump at the chance they passed up, leaving their home even less desirable.
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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
(04-03-2013 12:30 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:54 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-01-2013 02:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(03-28-2013 10:40 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  Odu did something similar last year. The rumor broke and was known to be very serious in mid April. Odu didn't officially announce the move until mid may.

Sun Belt needs a replacement playing Sun Belt schedule for 2014 to maintain their full BCS cut. So SB offer would have that requirement of filing NCAA paperwork right away. If not - ugh, welcome LU.
Having three transitioning schools at the same time might make it hard to meet the five FBS home game requirement.

Though maybe they've sorted that out and that's why they added Idaho and NMSU, to spread their away games around to help out schools who would otherwise be in a bind.

Transitioning schools count as FBS home games from my understanding. South Alabama and Texas State counted as FBS games this past season, which was the second (and final) transition year for both schools. 2013 is Georgia State's second year. App and Georgia Southern's final FBS transition year will be 2014. Any school added from FCS before June 1 can file paperwork to transition on the same schedule as App and Georgia Southern. Enough qualifying FBS games isn't an issue in my view.

NMSU was added because they're not that far outside the footprint and FBS already. I have no idea why Idaho was added.

There are other options besides Liberty if JMU says no. Jacksonville State is ready now and would say yes. SHSU and Lamar might say yes. All three are preferable to Liberty.

The problem JMU has is that if they say no now, they might not get another chance. And that another CAA member might jump at the chance they passed up, leaving their home even less desirable.


JSU would say yes. Within 5 years of joining the Sun Belt, JSU would probably need another stadium upgrade. Currently, Burgess-Snow Field seats right at 24,000 without the sky-boxes. An Additional 10,000 seats would be estimated by 2020. We are also in the review/design stage of a new basketball arena. Troy fans, well any fan for that matter, and even JSU fans know that our current facility is an enhanced gym. See link below... The problem we have with our basketball attendance is getting the greeks to come out. There is nowhere for them to stand and cheer... If we build a new arena with a true student section then we solve our low basketball attendance number. We really need two upgrades: basketball and baseball. Both are fixing to happen...

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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
(04-03-2013 12:30 AM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  NMSU was added because they're not that far outside the footprint and FBS already. I have no idea why Idaho was added.
Of course, both were previously members of the Sunbelt, NMSU all-sports and Idaho FB-only. They left for the WAC mid-decade, along with Utah State, but only Utah State successfully escape the collapse of the WAC to the Mountain West.
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(03-28-2013 12:29 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If I were in charge at JMU I'd try to play the Sun Belt off against the MAC and CUSA to land the best offer I could get. When and if it became apparent that neither the MAC nor CUSA was seriously interested, I'd take the Sun Belt invitation. That may be what's transpiring now.

https://twitter.com/Flames_Nation

"After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled."

And the beat goes on...
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(04-04-2013 01:38 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(03-28-2013 12:29 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If I were in charge at JMU I'd try to play the Sun Belt off against the MAC and CUSA to land the best offer I could get. When and if it became apparent that neither the MAC nor CUSA was seriously interested, I'd take the Sun Belt invitation. That may be what's transpiring now.

https://twitter.com/Flames_Nation

"After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled."

And the beat goes on...

I keep hearing conflicting tweets and articles about whether JMU will accept the sbc invite or not. People close to JMU are saying hell no, the sbc sources are saying we'll accept.
Given our moronic history of failure in relation to conference realignment, I'd tend to think the JMU sources are more accurate in saying it won't happen unfortunately.
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(04-04-2013 10:39 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 01:38 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(03-28-2013 12:29 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If I were in charge at JMU I'd try to play the Sun Belt off against the MAC and CUSA to land the best offer I could get. When and if it became apparent that neither the MAC nor CUSA was seriously interested, I'd take the Sun Belt invitation. That may be what's transpiring now.

https://twitter.com/Flames_Nation

"After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled."

And the beat goes on...

I keep hearing conflicting tweets and articles about whether JMU will accept the sbc invite or not. People close to JMU are saying hell no, the sbc sources are saying we'll accept.
Given our moronic history of failure in relation to conference realignment, I'd tend to think the JMU sources are more accurate in saying it won't happen unfortunately.

This is reminiscent of when Karl Benson was trying to convince Montana to join the WAC. There were lots of rumors that Montana was coming or not coming. We know how that eventually turned out.
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RE: JMU - Whats the Plan
(04-04-2013 10:39 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(04-04-2013 01:38 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(03-28-2013 12:29 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  If I were in charge at JMU I'd try to play the Sun Belt off against the MAC and CUSA to land the best offer I could get. When and if it became apparent that neither the MAC nor CUSA was seriously interested, I'd take the Sun Belt invitation. That may be what's transpiring now.

https://twitter.com/Flames_Nation

"After initially rejecting Sun Belt, JMU now said to be reconsidering the offer after efforts to join C-USA and MAC have stalled."

And the beat goes on...

I keep hearing conflicting tweets and articles about whether JMU will accept the sbc invite or not. People close to JMU are saying hell no, the sbc sources are saying we'll accept.
Given our moronic history of failure in relation to conference realignment, I'd tend to think the JMU sources are more accurate in saying it won't happen unfortunately.

Big mistake if they don't. Need to read O'Day's article in Montana about the current state of FCS and where it is headed, and the likelihood of a 5 year lockdown. Only way JMU passes is if they have assurances that MAC will come through. JMU fans that think CUSA or AAC will come calling are smoking crack. I even think the MAC will take some FBS schools over JMU, leaving them with the same decision AppState had.
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(04-04-2013 10:39 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  I keep hearing conflicting tweets and articles about whether JMU will accept the sbc invite or not. People close to JMU are saying hell no, the sbc sources are saying we'll accept.
That suggests that there are those opposed to the move, but since there are always people in both sides of a fight happy to spread rumors to serve their interests, it doesn't really tell us which side is winning the argument.

If JMU gets announced as the Sunbelt add to replace WKY, we'll know which side won the argument. And we'll also know if Jax State gets announced, or maybe that other school that has good crowds and not so exciting football performance on the field (and a range of other controversial factors, but discussing them tends to get into things that are topics for a different forum on this site).

(04-04-2013 11:04 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  Big mistake if they don't. Need to read O'Day's article in Montana about the current state of FCS and where it is headed, and the likelihood of a 5 year lockdown. Only way JMU passes is if they have assurances that MAC will come through. JMU fans that think CUSA or AAC will come calling are smoking crack. I even think the MAC will take some FBS schools over JMU, leaving them with the same decision AppState had.
Transition now and be available as an FBS school could well be the best strategy for getting into the MAC in any event, since the MAC could well be fine right now with just sitting to see if a more attractive program becomes available. No telling what could shake out if the ACC becomes unraveled, and there is no pressing need for the MAC to add a school just to make up the numbers for a 12 school conference with a CCG.
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