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RE: Why not Southern Miss?
(03-27-2013 01:44 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:23 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  
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(03-26-2013 09:43 PM)Noodles Wrote:  Not hating, just want it understood that Southern Miss isn't sitting around wishing the big kids would let us play. We will succeed in C-USA. You guys with more money than common sense are chasing unicorns. Now, you all condescendingly talk about USM being next up. Next up for what? Joining a FUBAR conference with a bunch of greedy schools that are running to the same thing they left? You want us to be just like you? Would that help you justify the lunacy of spending all that time and money?
Keep it. Good riddance.

Need a tissue? Guess there is always a wal-mart down the street carryin Ole Miss and Miss State gear that you can wear.

No tissue here they had to ship it to Houston suddenly in dec of 2012. I have forgotten more about all this stuff than air raid will ever know.

My school has suffered enough BS through the years, which is why I feel Noodles is overreacting.

That might explain the last remark but not the other 25 or 30

25-30 is reality, which most southern miss fans do not want to believe
03-27-2013 02:00 AM
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(03-26-2013 09:52 PM)Noodles Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:49 PM)AtlantaEagle Wrote:  I don't think Pony94 meant anything condescending, just the opposite really.
May have just got caught in the cross fire.

Even the posts lamenting the fact that Southern Miss got left behind are condescending. Just little reminders of the "pecking order".

The little man thinks every comment is hinting that he is short. We get it.
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RE: Why not Southern Miss?
(03-27-2013 01:11 AM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 01:08 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:43 PM)Noodles Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:37 PM)Noodles Wrote:  And I'm saying piss off with your support. We don't need anything from Southern Methodist.

Finally my first hater it has taken 8 years

Not hating, just want it understood that Southern Miss isn't sitting around wishing the big kids would let us play. We will succeed in C-USA. You guys with more money than common sense are chasing unicorns. Now, you all condescendingly talk about USM being next up. Next up for what? Joining a FUBAR conference with a bunch of greedy schools that are running to the same thing they left? You want us to be just like you? Would that help you justify the lunacy of spending all that time and money?
Keep it. Good riddance.

Need a tissue? Guess there is always a wal-mart down the street carryin Ole Miss and Miss State gear that you can wear.

No tissue here they had to ship it to Houston suddenly in dec of 2012. I have forgotten more about all this stuff than air raid will ever know.

I think you meant Dec 2011.
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(03-26-2013 08:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Gezz USM fans doing what they do best. Put that brave face on. You can rock on about everyone being out of the big 5 but you are clearly a peg down "of the rest" and the suggestion that you turned down and offer is pure comedy. No ones turning down anything if it means getting out of the crap box called CUSA. Lateral move my ass. There is a reason basically all the schools with 30+ million dollars outside of the Big 5 banded together, and its because the programs that are serious and that actually have higher ceilings wanted to dump the ones that aren't. That's the reasons as much as anything.

There's actually a lot of truth in some of SJ's posts. A lot, not all.

After the TV contract numbers came out, SOME USM fans, me included, thought there was zero reason to move to Conference America, but Tulsa moving in spite of the evidence before them proves that logic is faulty. USM would accept an invite if for no other reason than all our old running buddies did. If you're not moving forward, you're getting left behind.


The athletic budget, or lack thereof, is also a valid point.

This is former USM AD Richard Giannini's biggest failure. Sure he was good at kowtowing to USM's big donors, but failed massively at cultivating the rest of the fan base. Any good AD should be able to do both.

That being said, it hasn't held USM back much relative to C-USA performance, but it will if it isn't addressed in the upcoming years. Overall, we get a lot for our money, but everything has a breaking point.

Is 0-12 a result of our budget? Maybe. SJ likes to point out that it is, but I can't imagine anyone looking objectively at the situation would jump right away to that conclusion, especially when evidence to the contrary was used to remedy the situation. Also, I'm not sure how having a $30 million + budget proves your program is serious about athletics when evidence to the contrary exists in spades. Or maybe it just proves that some programs are being horribly, horribly mismanaged and have been for years. You just can't say one thing and not the other.

USM fans can post what they want, but I cringe every time i read a post, in the context of Conference America, stating we wouldn't accept an invite, or how we beat Houston last year, or i see a post stating our overall record against opponent...etc, it just reeks of hurt feelings of being "left out" when the simple fact remains; USM didn't do enough to warrant an invite. Plain and simple.
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RE: Why not Southern Miss?
(03-26-2013 06:23 PM)Tiger5 Wrote:  IMO, just looking at the 3 major men's sports football, basketball, and baseball. Southern Miss has a better sports program over SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and ECU.

And they have better fan support than all these schools except for ECU.

Is it simply due to tv market? Because New Orleans, Tulsa, Dallas, & Greenville > Hattiesbug

Because the people making these decisions have a different view and consider different factors (with MUCH different priorities) than fans. Period.
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RE: Why not Southern Miss?
It's a waste of time to even discuss this thoroughly.
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(03-27-2013 03:31 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 08:52 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Gezz USM fans doing what they do best. Put that brave face on. You can rock on about everyone being out of the big 5 but you are clearly a peg down "of the rest" and the suggestion that you turned down and offer is pure comedy. No ones turning down anything if it means getting out of the crap box called CUSA. Lateral move my ass. There is a reason basically all the schools with 30+ million dollars outside of the Big 5 banded together, and its because the programs that are serious and that actually have higher ceilings wanted to dump the ones that aren't. That's the reasons as much as anything.

There's actually a lot of truth in some of SJ's posts. A lot, not all.

After the TV contract numbers came out, SOME USM fans, me included, thought there was zero reason to move to Conference America, but Tulsa moving in spite of the evidence before them proves that logic is faulty. USM would accept an invite if for no other reason than all our old running buddies did. If you're not moving forward, you're getting left behind.


The athletic budget, or lack thereof, is also a valid point.

This is former USM AD Richard Giannini's biggest failure. Sure he was good at kowtowing to USM's big donors, but failed massively at cultivating the rest of the fan base. Any good AD should be able to do both.

That being said, it hasn't held USM back much relative to C-USA performance, but it will if it isn't addressed in the upcoming years. Overall, we get a lot for our money, but everything has a breaking point.

Is 0-12 a result of our budget? Maybe. SJ likes to point out that it is, but I can't imagine anyone looking objectively at the situation would jump right away to that conclusion, especially when evidence to the contrary was used to remedy the situation. Also, I'm not sure how having a $30 million + budget proves your program is serious about athletics when evidence to the contrary exists in spades. Or maybe it just proves that some programs are being horribly, horribly mismanaged and have been for years. You just can't say one thing and not the other.

USM fans can post what they want, but I cringe every time i read a post, in the context of Conference America, stating we wouldn't accept an invite, or how we beat Houston last year, or i see a post stating our overall record against opponent...etc, it just reeks of hurt feelings of being "left out" when the simple fact remains; USM didn't do enough to warrant an invite. Plain and simple.

Personally, I dislike opinions that support SJ. He uses factual evidence to support biased opinions, which is a logical fallacy in and of itself. As you stated above, he cannot have it both ways: either Southern Miss has been a well-run athletic department over the years, or else the schools with $30 million dollar+ athletic department budgets aren't being run very well.

Yes, we would take the conference invite in an instant...but not as some of these posters tend to think we would: Southern Miss would not sell out completely just to play with the same teams. We didn't do it when we lost our old Metro buddies and we didn't do it when Ole Piss and MooU stopped playing us. Instead, we joined a conference and had some more success. It is all about perceived value: If ECU thinks it is worth potentially selling out its olympic sports to join that conference, then that conference has more value to them than it does to us.

I totally agree with you about the budget issues. We cannot have that clouding our horizon no matter what conference we find ourselves in. The idea that we are some kind of broken product because our new AD inherited a budget mess is its own fallacy. One perpetrated by people like SJ who wish to put Southern Miss in as negative a light as possible. I guarantee you the new AD Tulsa just hired away from Eastern Michigan didn't walk into a pretty bed of roses after the way the last AD was run off. Yet, those same posters wouldn't dare attack Tulsa right now.

In all honesty, we are the Cincinnati or UConn of this conference right now. We have done what we thought was important, or at least what was important to us, in order to secure our future. Yet here we sit after finding out the hard way that it simply wasn't enough. For the most part, the trolls are leaving those schools alone. After all, why attack a school you want to be associated with because you think they are already in a place you want to be?

It is a simple fact that, other factors being the same, if on-the-field performance had been given much more weight and DMAs given much less weight, Southern Miss would have been one of the first invitees. There are some very intelligent and mature posters on here who realize this and have been positive and respectful. And then there are the Air Raids and Stilljonesings of the world who want to kick a man when they perceive he is down on his luck.

As for me, I will continue to support my university's pursuit of on-the field excellence, and let the win-loss records do the talking. It isn't worth fighting over a half a million dollars any more than it is worth continuing to ***** about just missing the NCAA Tournament. Be happy for what you have, and optimistically hope for more. In that vein, congratulations to Tulsa and the other schools and I wish them the best of luck.
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Lack of metro area and budget.
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Another one of these threads.
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(03-27-2013 07:40 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Another one of these threads.

incredulous sarcasm....would rather run my truck the wrong way into a parking garage
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(03-27-2013 01:08 AM)AirRaid Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:43 PM)Noodles Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:39 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:37 PM)Noodles Wrote:  
(03-26-2013 09:35 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  He is a small pony so not much will fit up there. Was only trying to convey that the new schools want to be associated with USM despite what ECU message board fans say.

And I'm saying piss off with your support. We don't need anything from Southern Methodist.

Finally my first hater it has taken 8 years

Not hating, just want it understood that Southern Miss isn't sitting around wishing the big kids would let us play. We will succeed in C-USA. You guys with more money than common sense are chasing unicorns. Now, you all condescendingly talk about USM being next up. Next up for what? Joining a FUBAR conference with a bunch of greedy schools that are running to the same thing they left? You want us to be just like you? Would that help you justify the lunacy of spending all that time and money?
Keep it. Good riddance.

Need a tissue? Guess there is always a wal-mart down the street carryin Ole Miss and Miss State gear that you can wear.

that coming from a school in texas that nobody in texas 03-lmfao gives a rats a$$ about is truly funny.
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(03-27-2013 07:45 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-27-2013 07:40 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Another one of these threads.

incredulous sarcasm....would rather run my truck the wrong way into a parking garage

It just gets old.. This time it wasn't a USM fan making the thead.. It made it 8 pages with us bickering with SJ and other folks.

Only thing I want to know is what is our plan. Do we plan to sit in C-USA until we get that invite to CTBA or are we being proactive and discussing things with other conferences to gauge their interests. This other bickering about our financial situation and lateral moves, we've heard before.
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looks like we've been transported. neat. now every comment about realignment that was appropriate for the c-use forum can be reexamined in the already hostile realignment forum.

. . . it's just stupid to think that this helps anything -- other than mods and admins having to read complaints and "reported thread" alerts.
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(03-26-2013 06:43 PM)fedale Wrote:  Still scratching my head at Tulane and SMU...

wow... keep scratching brother... your an idiot if you can not see why SMU has strong worth to any conference.
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(03-26-2013 07:37 PM)rabidTU Wrote:  I think USM and Marshall are definitely on deck if more defections occur in the nBE.

I think that UMass is on deck next, because they are a large State flagship.

After UMass the conference will probably go back and beg Army some more; before deciding between ODU, UNC-Charlotte, Rice, USM and Marshall.
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(03-26-2013 06:43 PM)fedale Wrote:  Still scratching my head at Tulane and SMU...

$$$$$$$$03-nutkick
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