(03-31-2013 10:59 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

Without new rules then even 16 is far fetched. I personally assume that the leaders of the major schools wouldn't have expanded this far if they didnt think new rules wouldn't be able to be passed.

In regards to the SEC expanding further, I think the Networks might be able to talk them into further expansion but otherwise stopping at 16 will definitely be best for the conference itself.

The bottom line He1nous is that the NCAA will yield on every point if the the Big 10 and SEC demand it. They know the threat of a breakaway is real and with it that they will lose their gravy train that has enabled them to grow an endowment of over 400 million off of the back of the NCAA basketball, baseball, and softball tournaments. This touting of the rule changes is a red herring. They will change them or lose 60 plus teams and they know it. Therefore there is no real restraint on the limits of growth due to the internal playoff structures of the conferences.

(03-31-2013 11:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:59 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

Without new rules then even 16 is far fetched. I personally assume that the leaders of the major schools wouldn't have expanded this far if they didnt think new rules wouldn't be able to be passed.

In regards to the SEC expanding further, I think the Networks might be able to talk them into further expansion but otherwise stopping at 16 will definitely be best for the conference itself.

The bottom line He1nous is that the NCAA will yield on every point if the the Big 10 and SEC demand it. They know the threat of a breakaway is real and with it that they will lose their gravy train that has enabled them to grow an endowment of over 400 million off of the back of the NCAA basketball, baseball, and softball tournaments. This touting of the rule changes is a red herring. They will change them or lose 60 plus teams and they know it. Therefore there is no real restraint on the limits of growth due to the internal playoff structures of the conferences.

Hey look, we agree! This is why there will be no seperation from the NCAA. They will get everything they want without any large blowback.

If March Madness ends as is, there will be a HUGE spotlight put on these schools. The population at large loves the Tournament as it is. The major schools would be taking a major risk by destroying it and trying to make one of their own without the "Cinderella's".

(03-31-2013 11:08 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:59 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

Without new rules then even 16 is far fetched. I personally assume that the leaders of the major schools wouldn't have expanded this far if they didnt think new rules wouldn't be able to be passed.

In regards to the SEC expanding further, I think the Networks might be able to talk them into further expansion but otherwise stopping at 16 will definitely be best for the conference itself.

The bottom line He1nous is that the NCAA will yield on every point if the the Big 10 and SEC demand it. They know the threat of a breakaway is real and with it that they will lose their gravy train that has enabled them to grow an endowment of over 400 million off of the back of the NCAA basketball, baseball, and softball tournaments. This touting of the rule changes is a red herring. They will change them or lose 60 plus teams and they know it. Therefore there is no real restraint on the limits of growth due to the internal playoff structures of the conferences.

Hey look, we agree! This is why there will be no seperation from the NCAA. They will get everything they want without any large blowback.

If March Madness ends as is, there will be a HUGE spotlight put on these schools. The population at large loves the Tournament as it is. The major schools would be taking a major risk by destroying it and trying to make one of their own without the "Cinderella's".

Unless there is a breakaway of basketball only schools who care little for the machinations of college football, but would like to keep a larger piece of the economic pie for their sport too! I could see two breakaway conferences of basketball only schools who would benefit from the separation. There could easily be a more meaningful and profitable tournament with another couple of dozen basketball only schools added to the breakaway.

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

Fox wants the B12 in Florida(FSU and Miami the first choice with USF and UCF as backups)
Being in Texas and Florida really helps the B12.

The B10 does want schools other than AAU schools Also PSU does not want Pitt even though its AAU.The B10 got MD and Rutgers and wants UVA,UNC and Gatech.

The SEC would like to be Virginia and NC thus they will be after 2 non-AAU schools Va TECH and NC St.

(03-31-2013 11:47 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

Fox wants the B12 in Florida(FSU and Miami the first choice with USF and UCF as backups)
Being in Texas and Florida really helps the B12.

The B10 does want schools other than AAU schools Also PSU does not want Pitt even though its AAU.The B10 got MD and Rutgers and wants UVA,UNC and Gatech.

The SEC would like to be Virginia and NC thus they will be after 2 non-AAU schools Va TECH and NC St.

ESPN owns all three prime Florida schools. They won't give them up easily. ESPN will not want their prime ACC brands going to the Big 10 either. And if you don't think the SEC wants AAU schools as well then think again. Georgia Tech and Virginia are no big loss to ESPN from a television markets perspective. Duke and Carolina is another matter. So are Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia Tech. ESPN will also want to hold onto Syracuse and Pitt. Remember this is Network property realignment with FOX using the Big 10 and ESPN trying to hold onto the ACC and if they can't then using the SEC. That's why in the end fans are not going to be happy with the new geography. Think Network not conference.

(03-31-2013 07:39 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 06:47 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 06:40 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I still don't see 20 happening, but if it did, I don't think everyone would necessarily go to 20. While there are enough quality schools in the eastern half of the US to have three 20-team conferences (and maybe four), the west just doesn't have enough schools that will be attractive enough to warrant the increase in teams. Of course, if the PAC wanted to reconsider something with schools from the Big XII, then they could get to 20 easily, but I don't think it will happen. The Big 10 or the SEC may do it and I could even see the ACC, but it's hard for me to envision a good PAC 20-team lineup, expecially if it didn't include Texas, Oklahoma or both.

going to 16 will decrease my love of CFB, 20 will kill it.

I really hope the B10 implode in the end.

the good old ACC is what is going to change!!!!
After the B12 ,SEC and B10 get teams it will reload from the A12.
That court date of MD cannot happen quickly enough.

The only losers in court will be the B1G and Maryland.
When it is learned that Maryland was passing on sensitive and confidential information to the B1G, the amount will likely rise above the $52M mark. The B1G will never let this suit get to court.

(03-31-2013 11:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:59 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

Without new rules then even 16 is far fetched. I personally assume that the leaders of the major schools wouldn't have expanded this far if they didnt think new rules wouldn't be able to be passed.

In regards to the SEC expanding further, I think the Networks might be able to talk them into further expansion but otherwise stopping at 16 will definitely be best for the conference itself.

The bottom line He1nous is that the NCAA will yield on every point if the the Big 10 and SEC demand it. They know the threat of a breakaway is real and with it that they will lose their gravy train that has enabled them to grow an endowment of over 400 million off of the back of the NCAA basketball, baseball, and softball tournaments. This touting of the rule changes is a red herring. They will change them or lose 60 plus teams and they know it. Therefore there is no real restraint on the limits of growth due to the internal playoff structures of the conferences.

Yep.

I think most will be surprised at how little the major conferences will change this year. Most will settle in to see how the present changes work out first before outward expansion raises it head again.

(03-31-2013 12:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:47 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

Fox wants the B12 in Florida(FSU and Miami the first choice with USF and UCF as backups)
Being in Texas and Florida really helps the B12.

The B10 does want schools other than AAU schools Also PSU does not want Pitt even though its AAU.The B10 got MD and Rutgers and wants UVA,UNC and Gatech.

The SEC would like to be Virginia and NC thus they will be after 2 non-AAU schools Va TECH and NC St.

ESPN owns all three prime Florida schools. They won't give them up easily. ESPN will not want their prime ACC brands going to the Big 10 either. And if you don't think the SEC wants AAU schools as well then think again. Georgia Tech and Virginia are no big loss to ESPN from a television markets perspective. Duke and Carolina is another matter. So are Florida State, Clemson, and Virginia Tech. ESPN will also want to hold onto Syracuse and Pitt. Remember this is Network property realignment with FOX using the Big 10 and ESPN trying to hold onto the ACC and if they can't then using the SEC. That's why in the end fans are not going to be happy with the new geography. Think Network not conference.

Espn cannot hold onto USF or UCF.If asked to the B12 they will go an instant.
FSU does not like the ACC and its 50 million bill to exit.However,they much prefer the SEC to the B12.

espn can hang onto Syracuse Pitt,BC,Louisville,wake Forest and Duke as long as they want.

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

There sure is a lot of faith being given the new SEC network isn't there? However with CBS holding tier 1 rights and ESPN holding tier 2 and most of tier 3, one wonders where the SEC will get all of their content.
The most interesting aspect of the SEC network will be the delivery system. Will it be along the same line as the B1G, or will distribution be a little "more modern"?

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There sure is a lot of faith being given the new SEC network isn't there? However with CBS holding tier 1 rights and ESPN holding tier 2 and most of tier 3, one wonders where the SEC will get all of their content.
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The ACC.

ps. Prior to the present negotiations ESPN had none of the SEC's tier 3 content.

(03-31-2013 02:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

There sure is a lot of faith being given the new SEC network isn't there? However with CBS holding tier 1 rights and ESPN holding tier 2 and most of tier 3, one wonders where the SEC will get all of their content.
The most interesting aspect of the SEC network will be the delivery system. Will it be along the same line as the B1G, or will distribution be a little "more modern"?

FOX holds the tier 2 rights to the Big Ten and yet "somehow" the BTN has plenty of content to show multiple regional games during each slot. I wonder how they do it?????

(03-31-2013 07:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 02:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:01 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think 20 is far fetched for most conferences if the NCAA won't allow conference semi final games.

However, I could see the B1G doing it to get UNC by agreeing to take all their approved buddies to go along as a package of UNC/Duke/UVA/GT/FSU/Miami

I think if that happened, SEC gets our 2 NC and VA schools (VT/NC State) and call it a realignment.

10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

There sure is a lot of faith being given the new SEC network isn't there? However with CBS holding tier 1 rights and ESPN holding tier 2 and most of tier 3, one wonders where the SEC will get all of their content.
The most interesting aspect of the SEC network will be the delivery system. Will it be along the same line as the B1G, or will distribution be a little "more modern"?

FOX holds the tier 2 rights to the Big Ten and yet "somehow" the BTN has plenty of content to show multiple regional games during each slot. I wonder how they do it?????

Of course that could be because FOX owns 51% of the B1G network, which means the more content that FOX allows, the more money they (FOX) make.

either way, I would think Cincinnati, Louisville and Memphis would be in the mix.

In the event of a super raid, those 3 schools best hope is that the B1G/SEC go to 20 and pick off most of the big prizes in the ACC.

Then they'll get picked up by either a reloading ACC or scavenging B12 taking teams the first 2 left.

I'd go with the B12 because an ACC post massive raid by 3 othet conferences may not be a country club member for very long.

(04-01-2013 07:07 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 07:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 02:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 11:39 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(03-31-2013 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  10th, the SEC is market driven as well. If we maintain a competitive advantage economically by stopping at 16 we will. But that would mean the Big 10 stops at 16 first.

Slive is driven by doing what is best for the conference first and that would be to stop at 16. But he is also driven by the desire not to fall behind economically. If the Big 10 goes after markets to secure the upper hand, Slive will counter to prevent an earnings gap. It is as simple as that and none of it is far-fetched. And furthermore if you think that the SEC is going to settle for the second best team in the state of North Carolina think again. Slive wants the Heels if they are available to a move.

The Big 12 doesn't have the footprint for a conference network and the addition of 6 leftover ACC schools won't help them that much. The theory that they can be fine picking after the Big 10 and SEC have raided the ACC is a ludicrous theory prima facia. How are they going to compete equitably from a starting point that is behind the Big 10 and SEC if those two conferences glean the best and most profitable from the same conference the Big 12 hopes to expand out of? They are not. And I doubt that Texas and OU are going to feel comfortable long term with that kind of disadvantage. If however West coast markets can earn them more that's where they will end up with their buddies in tow. Texas will get a deal as surely as the Irish will somewhere and it will get done. If we stop at 4 conferences of 16 the Big 12 will not be one of them.

The choice then for the networks will be 2 great brands in a lousy market footprint versus a 16 team lackluster football conference with individual football and basketball stars in a great market. They will relocate the former and try to prop up the latter. Then we will have 4 x 16 or something like it. Otherwise if the ACC falls we are moving to 3 conferences. The math is simply not there otherwise.

True... I believe the NC and VA schools are a much better fit in the SEC. I also believe that Delaney totally missed the boat by not nabbing Syracuse and maybe Pitt, which were both total fits for the B1G. Should have probably taken Nebraska, Kansas and Mizzou three years ago to go to 14, which is where they are anyway. Now the Big XII is locked up with the GoR, and the ACC schools, in my opinion, are very nervous about fan support and recruiting playing in the B1G. Maybe I am wrong, but UV and UNC playing at Purdue or Minnesota wouldn't ring my chimes. I am certainly not belittling the BIG. It's an awesome conference that just needed to make earlier moves and failed to act. I also believe that Maryland will end up settling for about a 30 mil exit fee. That's enough to keep the rest in the ACC and therefore settle this, but if the ACC schools do make moves I think it will be south and not north... especially after the SECN comes to fruition in April.

There sure is a lot of faith being given the new SEC network isn't there? However with CBS holding tier 1 rights and ESPN holding tier 2 and most of tier 3, one wonders where the SEC will get all of their content.
The most interesting aspect of the SEC network will be the delivery system. Will it be along the same line as the B1G, or will distribution be a little "more modern"?

FOX holds the tier 2 rights to the Big Ten and yet "somehow" the BTN has plenty of content to show multiple regional games during each slot. I wonder how they do it?????

Of course that could be because FOX owns 51% of the B1G network, which means the more content that FOX allows, the more money they (FOX) make.

Exactly! Do you really think that ABC/ESPN was putting the SEC Network all over their SEC broadcasting LAST SEASON just out of the goodness of their hearts? Or perhaps they did it because they have financial interests in the SEC Network.....kind of like how FOX does with the BTN?

I'm not aware that NCAA rules allow for semi-final conference games. AFAIK the rule only speaks to a conference championship game after a conference reaches 12 members or more.

(04-01-2013 10:09 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  I'm not aware that NCAA rules allow for semi-final conference games. AFAIK the rule only speaks to a conference championship game after a conference reaches 12 members or more.

There are none....yet Conference Commissioner Bowlsby certainly thinks about such so much that he thought it was important to go public about how the NCAA should stay out of the business of telling conferences how they can have conference tournaments for football. He literally said those words. IF this concept was not regular talk within certain circles, he wouldn't have bothered to make the Big 12's stance on it public.

It is all just theory at this time that we will see conference tournaments for football in the future, but it is a pretty strong theory based upon the money interest involved in such ventures.

I think it will be necessary for a 16 team league where most teams won't win conference titles that often but winning your division essentially gets you into the playoffs