(04-04-2013 12:32 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  Hope he stays, but if not, we are going to be really thin in the front court again.

Yep. We'll have the same issue next season as last...almost no post presence. Only next season we'll be playing in a much tougher conference where it'll be exposed early and often.

(04-04-2013 01:19 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 01:06 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 01:04 PM)missjtiger Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 01:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:56 PM)michaelf Wrote:  Gary, stated he's hearing from people in the know, Tarik is gone, interesting.

Exactly, that is why he's doing the dirty work of badmouthing TB to help his boy out.

...and all you Tiger fans who hate GP. He (and Goodman) and Josh are thick as thieves.

Better be careful what you are saying as fact....someone I know isn't real happy with you. Be careful what you are saying here.

PM me and tell me then. Veiled threats don't help resolve anything.

This is a message board if people are looking for facts, not opinions, they are coming to the wrong place.

I mean, if it is GP, then the poster right above me is quoting him as fact.

Saying three public figures are thick as thieves is nothing.

And if a public figure is worried about what gets posted on a message board, then I don't want them anywhere near the program - coach or media.

We don't need thin-skinned female thingies around the program.

Tarik's Mom is a big Tiger fan-I imagine she also really wants him to stay
She also wouldn't like people saying he was 100% gone on a message board when a final decesion hadn't been made

(04-04-2013 01:22 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 01:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:56 PM)michaelf Wrote:  Gary, stated he's hearing from people in the know, Tarik is gone, interesting.

Exactly, that is why he's doing the dirty work of badmouthing TB to help his boy out.

...and all you Tiger fans who hate GP. He (and Goodman) and Josh are thick as thieves.

It's clear you think Coach Pastner is the bad guy in all of this but Tarik's play speaks for itself. Personally, I wish he would stay as I think we are much better with him than without him. With that said, his performance is up to him. Walking out on your teammates was his choice and the price he had to pay to come back was his spot as a starter. Coach Pastner has been clear with the players (Henderson-Niles, Kendrick, Carmouche) that if you can't handle the demands of his program you are free to leave.


I hate to see him go because when he gets the ball on the low block he is so good!

I'm not saying ANYBODY is a bad guy. I am saying that GP's approach seems to be different than normal. Again, I don't recall Gary eviscerating a current player like this before. Seems out of character which makes it more curious.

In any event, obviously TB loss could be framed as a huge negative or a WGAS depending upon how the message is sent out. Obviously, no one from the University would EVER say anything, but Gary has that ability. Heck gary has related on numerous occasions how coaches tell him to say stuff (like the Cal to the 76ers story he related last week) that they themselves can't. I hope this isn't news to anyone.

Just like politicians leak info to a reporter to then be able to address an issue they want to be in front of.

If what I wrote offends someone, I'm sorry, but I'm not revealing anything that shouldn't be known.

He is a big kid, a Memphis kid, and has at times played very well.

Want him to finish his 4 years with Joe and Chris as Memphis Tigers...maybe even with a national NCAA title.

no one cares...if you let a message board bother you then you will never be happy at any school.

Wonder why nobody mentions the fact CC is graduating early and could transfer too. Just because you can do something doesn't mean ya should.

Domo Arigato, Adonis

Mr. Roboto says hi.

(04-04-2013 12:35 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:19 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Unless Pastner has found a "Leon Boudreau" hiding out in the swamps of Louisiana (will anyone catch that reference?), Black leaving would be devistating to the team's prospects of competing even for a conference title, let alone a national title, next year. Let's pray he stays. Let's also pray he will be making the best decision for himself to stay.

Isn't it "Neon" Boudreaux?

I think it was Leon "Neon" Boudreaux.

(04-04-2013 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looks like Josh knows the answer (TB is going) is having GP do the dirty work to get the fanbase to turn on TB (that radio segment was NOTHING like GP has ever done in terms of badmouthing a "current" player).

Then his article slyly takes digs at TB to frame it against TB and as not to be a loss:

Black averaged a career-low 8.1 points and 4.8 rebounds in a career-low 20.8 minutes this year, and he created an off-the-court issue when he walked out of a practice midseason. Black is scheduled to graduate this semester and could play immediately somewhere else, if he wants. Meantime, Memphis is expected to return freshman big Shaq Goodwin and enroll Austin Nichols, another heavily recruited forward.

While everything he writes is factual, GP COMPLETELY downplayed the "walkout" when it occurred in realtime during the season, laughing about it and related numerous times that happend under Cal, just that Cal kept it quiet.

Helps to have a friendly sportswriter to get out a message when needed.

Interesting connections you are making here. With Thomas leaving early and Black leaving a real possibility, I wonder if it would be safe to ask-Why are these Memphis kids leaving the program early? It seems as though they are making a statement about their skill development under Pastner. These kids were highly recruited coming out of high school and their draft stock has steadily declined while playing for Pastner. Thomas may assume to try and snatch some draft stock by going full in this year, rather than waste another year playing in an offense that is non-existent, for a coach who can't manage the team well enough to compete against elite competition.

Couple that with the interesting way Parrish all of the sudden starts bashing Black on the radio and I think we can see where there could be some smoke to the fire that Pastner is managing the team in some interesting if not subversive ways.

(04-04-2013 01:21 PM)Dat.B.Me Wrote:  I hope this does not create a gulf between the Memphis Kids and Josh.....

hopefully it will create a gulf between any recruit that is a crybaby and pastner. he shouldn't have to babysit grown men. and yes, they are grown men.

(04-04-2013 02:02 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looks like Josh knows the answer (TB is going) is having GP do the dirty work to get the fanbase to turn on TB (that radio segment was NOTHING like GP has ever done in terms of badmouthing a "current" player).

Then his article slyly takes digs at TB to frame it against TB and as not to be a loss:

Black averaged a career-low 8.1 points and 4.8 rebounds in a career-low 20.8 minutes this year, and he created an off-the-court issue when he walked out of a practice midseason. Black is scheduled to graduate this semester and could play immediately somewhere else, if he wants. Meantime, Memphis is expected to return freshman big Shaq Goodwin and enroll Austin Nichols, another heavily recruited forward.

While everything he writes is factual, GP COMPLETELY downplayed the "walkout" when it occurred in realtime during the season, laughing about it and related numerous times that happend under Cal, just that Cal kept it quiet.

Helps to have a friendly sportswriter to get out a message when needed.

Interesting connections you are making here. With Thomas leaving early and Black leaving a real possibility, I wonder if it would be safe to ask-Why are these Memphis kids leaving the program early? It seems as though they are making a statement about their skill development under Pastner. These kids were highly recruited coming out of high school and their draft stock has steadily declined while playing for Pastner. Thomas may assume to try and snatch some draft stock by going full in this year, rather than waste another year playing in an offense that is non-existent, for a coach who can't manage the team well enough to compete against elite competition.

Couple that with the interesting way Parrish all of the sudden starts bashing Black on the radio and I think we can see where there could be some smoke to the fire that Pastner is managing the team in some interesting if not subversive ways.

... All the white guy's fault ... As usual. Find another chapter and verse.

(04-04-2013 02:02 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looks like Josh knows the answer (TB is going) is having GP do the dirty work to get the fanbase to turn on TB (that radio segment was NOTHING like GP has ever done in terms of badmouthing a "current" player).

Then his article slyly takes digs at TB to frame it against TB and as not to be a loss:

Black averaged a career-low 8.1 points and 4.8 rebounds in a career-low 20.8 minutes this year, and he created an off-the-court issue when he walked out of a practice midseason. Black is scheduled to graduate this semester and could play immediately somewhere else, if he wants. Meantime, Memphis is expected to return freshman big Shaq Goodwin and enroll Austin Nichols, another heavily recruited forward.

While everything he writes is factual, GP COMPLETELY downplayed the "walkout" when it occurred in realtime during the season, laughing about it and related numerous times that happend under Cal, just that Cal kept it quiet.

Helps to have a friendly sportswriter to get out a message when needed.

Interesting connections you are making here. With Thomas leaving early and Black leaving a real possibility, I wonder if it would be safe to ask-Why are these Memphis kids leaving the program early? It seems as though they are making a statement about their skill development under Pastner. These kids were highly recruited coming out of high school and their draft stock has steadily declined while playing for Pastner. Thomas may assume to try and snatch some draft stock by going full in this year, rather than waste another year playing in an offense that is non-existent, for a coach who can't manage the team well enough to compete against elite competition.

Couple that with the interesting way Parrish all of the sudden starts bashing Black on the radio and I think we can see where there could be some smoke to the fire that Pastner is managing the team in some interesting if not subversive ways.

If Adonis would've made all the easy shots that he missed when plays were ran "just for him" he might be looking better in the draft . Coach should have shot all those 6 footers for him I guess .
Getting rebounds is as much heart and will as anything else . Tarik does not have that drive that it takes to get position then the rebound .
With this being said , I really like both of these young men and wish them the best either here or wherever they may go .

(04-04-2013 01:40 PM)g0tigersgo80 Wrote:  Wonder why nobody mentions the fact CC is graduating early and could transfer too. Just because you can do something doesn't mean ya should.

My post from another thread:

Quote:I had no idea that Chris Crawford was considering leaving for either the NBA or to another school until Cory what's his name reported this week that Ms Crawford said he had decided to stay at Memphis

This recent early graduation thing is becoming somewhat puzzling

(04-04-2013 02:02 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looks like Josh knows the answer (TB is going) is having GP do the dirty work to get the fanbase to turn on TB (that radio segment was NOTHING like GP has ever done in terms of badmouthing a "current" player).

Then his article slyly takes digs at TB to frame it against TB and as not to be a loss:

Black averaged a career-low 8.1 points and 4.8 rebounds in a career-low 20.8 minutes this year, and he created an off-the-court issue when he walked out of a practice midseason. Black is scheduled to graduate this semester and could play immediately somewhere else, if he wants. Meantime, Memphis is expected to return freshman big Shaq Goodwin and enroll Austin Nichols, another heavily recruited forward.

While everything he writes is factual, GP COMPLETELY downplayed the "walkout" when it occurred in realtime during the season, laughing about it and related numerous times that happend under Cal, just that Cal kept it quiet.

Helps to have a friendly sportswriter to get out a message when needed.

Interesting connections you are making here. With Thomas leaving early and Black leaving a real possibility, I wonder if it would be safe to ask-Why are these Memphis kids leaving the program early? It seems as though they are making a statement about their skill development under Pastner. These kids were highly recruited coming out of high school and their draft stock has steadily declined while playing for Pastner. Thomas may assume to try and snatch some draft stock by going full in this year, rather than waste another year playing in an offense that is non-existent, for a coach who can't manage the team well enough to compete against elite competition.

Couple that with the interesting way Parrish all of the sudden starts bashing Black on the radio and I think we can see where there could be some smoke to the fire that Pastner is managing the team in some interesting if not subversive ways.

complete agenda driven garbage from you...as usual.

Agenda or not, it is interesting that we have heard rumors now about AB, AT, TB and CC all wanting out in some form or fashion.

It is what it is.

I just wonder, Would Andre' Turner had considered leaving too early? Penny? It is obvious that Thomas could use more time, but it maybe that he feels that more time in this program wouldn't be productive.

Black maybe thinking the same thing. I think it is a fair question to ask.

(04-04-2013 02:25 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 01:40 PM)g0tigersgo80 Wrote:  Wonder why nobody mentions the fact CC is graduating early and could transfer too. Just because you can do something doesn't mean ya should.

My post from another thread:

Quote:I had no idea that Chris Crawford was considering leaving for either the NBA or to another school until Cory what's his name reported this week that Ms Crawford said he had decided to stay at Memphis

This recent early graduation thing is becoming somewhat puzzling

Yeah, I think the NCAA is discovering the law of unintended consequences. I also wonder if the staff will push the next round of kids into getting degrees in three years, or maybe shoot for fall of senior year instead.

A coach and a program bust their tails to not only help kids get a degree, but get a degree early, and it leads to the kids being able to act as "free agents" even IF everything is ok at the current program.

Seriously, IF they wanted, Joe, Chris, Antonio and Tarik could all leave and go to the same school somewhere else and play immdiately.

That is dangerous.

(04-04-2013 02:30 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  I just wonder, Would Andre' Turner had considered leaving too early? Penny? It is obvious that Thomas could use more time, but it maybe that he feels that more time in this program wouldn't be productive.

Black maybe thinking the same thing. I think it is a fair question to ask.

Playing for your home town team with a roster full of old and new buds would seem to be a very strong reason for not wanting to even consider leaving.

Maybe some of these guys need to take another look at the percentage of college players that make it in the pros

(04-04-2013 02:31 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 02:25 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-04-2013 01:40 PM)g0tigersgo80 Wrote:  Wonder why nobody mentions the fact CC is graduating early and could transfer too. Just because you can do something doesn't mean ya should.

My post from another thread:

Quote:I had no idea that Chris Crawford was considering leaving for either the NBA or to another school until Cory what's his name reported this week that Ms Crawford said he had decided to stay at Memphis

This recent early graduation thing is becoming somewhat puzzling

Yeah, it think the NCAA is discovering the law of unintended consequences.

A coach and a program bust their tails to not only help kids get a degree, but get a degree early, and it leads to the kids being able to act as "free agents" even IF everything is ok at the current program.

Seriously, IF they wanted, Joe, Chris, Antonio and Tarik could all leave and go to the same school somewhere else and play immdiately.

That is dangerous.

Well, the door swings both ways on grad transfers.