Georgia State belongs in no such conversation.

JMU, however, does.

Where's the mwc when you need 'em?

Kill me now, please.

(04-10-2013 12:29 PM)Monarch_Pride Wrote:  Georgia State belongs in no such conversation.

The only reason Georgia State is in the conversation is because C-USA really believes in this media market strategy, and Georgia State is right there in Atlanta.

(04-10-2013 12:30 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Where's the mwc when you need 'em?

Kill me now, please.

Can't for the life of me understand why UTEP isn't in the MWC.

(04-10-2013 12:18 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  First, I think it's petty to try to hold another school down because you're afraid of the competition. Yes, promoting JMU to CUSA would make it easier for them to compete against ODU, but so what? I'm not afraid of competition. It makes everyone better.

Bull. It nothing about being affraid when you clearly have the high ground. It's about being smart and having the balls to finish them. This is basically like inviting them up to share in your women and the bread on your plate and enjoy in the view you got. You think Wal Mart got to where it was by giving a **** about KMart or that they are out help Target set up shop? It's not how the world works.

Who wants competiton from FCS or FCS start ups anyway. Most people view a step up as the compeition like UNC or NC state here. I sure as hell know they wouldn't help us move to a conference with them an that's the smart thing they should be doing.

(04-10-2013 12:30 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Where's the mwc when you need 'em?

Kill me now, please.

This supports my contention that we need to regionalize. UTEP doesn't give a flying fig about ODU or many of the eastern teams. Likewise, a typical ODU fan couldn't care less about UTEP or the Texas teams. This is NOT meant to stir the pot...it's the truth. We're separated by half a continent and dramatically different cultures. Most of our alumni have never even met an alumnus of the other school.

Stronger regional bonds would increase fan interest and support for the conference. I can see CUSA basically becoming an association like the AL and NL in baseball. East & West play each other a bit, but mostly compete within their own divisions, then duke it out for the title at year end.

(04-10-2013 12:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 12:18 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  First, I think it's petty to try to hold another school down because you're afraid of the competition. Yes, promoting JMU to CUSA would make it easier for them to compete against ODU, but so what? I'm not afraid of competition. It makes everyone better.

Bull. It nothing about being affraid when you clearly have the high ground. It's about being smart and having the balls to finishing them. This is basically like inviting them up to share in your women and the bread on your plate and enjoy in the view you got. You think Wal Mart got to where it was by giving a **** about KMart or that they are out help Target set up shop? Get a clue on how the world works.

Who wants competiton from FCS or FCS start ups anyway. Most people view a step up as the compeition like UNC or NC state here. I sure as hell know they wouldn't help us move to a conference with them an that's the smart thing they should be doing.

lol...you and razor need join together and form a board. So much in common, you two.

Nothing ODU does, or doesn't do, is going to "finish" JMU athletics.

(04-10-2013 12:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 12:18 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  First, I think it's petty to try to hold another school down because you're afraid of the competition. Yes, promoting JMU to CUSA would make it easier for them to compete against ODU, but so what? I'm not afraid of competition. It makes everyone better.

Bull. It nothing about being affraid when you clearly have the high ground. It's about being smart and having the balls to finish them. This is basically like inviting them up to share in your women and the bread on your plate and enjoy in the view you got. You think Wal Mart got to where it was by giving a **** about KMart or that they are out help Target set up shop? It's not how the world works.

Who wants competiton from FCS or FCS start ups anyway. Most people view a step up as the compeition like UNC or NC state here. I sure as hell know they wouldn't help us move to a conference with them an that's the smart thing they should be doing.

Jonesy, it's hard to take anything you say seriously when you can't spell or write a coherent paragraph. Also, take a break from Game of Thrones. You'll be happier.

You could do your D1aa thing or maybe even your Sun Belting if that happpens forever I suppose, the point is you are completely minimized in recruiting with them being a notch up the ladder, several notches up if you remain in D1aa. You're pretty much finished because you wouldn't affect them much at all from down there. That's where I'd hope our leadership kept you if I was ODU.

I don't think it should be anyone in college athletics' goal to "kill" their competition. With that logic, we should be bombing, razing, raping, and pillaging our rivals' campuses and stadiums.

(04-10-2013 12:57 PM)Monarch_Pride Wrote:  I don't think it should be anyone in college athletics' goal to "kill" their competition. With that logic, we should be bombing, razing, raping, and pillaging our rivals' campuses and stadiums.

Does that not already happen between some schools?

(04-10-2013 12:50 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  Jonesy, it's hard to take anything you say seriously when you can't spell or write a coherent paragraph. Also, take a break from Game of Thrones. You'll be happier.

Little rule of thumb kum ba ya pu$$y, when your fall back on a sports message board is spelling, you've already lost the debate.

(04-10-2013 12:42 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 12:18 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  First, I think it's petty to try to hold another school down because you're afraid of the competition. Yes, promoting JMU to CUSA would make it easier for them to compete against ODU, but so what? I'm not afraid of competition. It makes everyone better.

Bull. It nothing about being affraid when you clearly have the high ground. It's about being smart and having the balls to finish them. This is basically like inviting them up to share in your women and the bread on your plate and enjoy in the view you got. You think Wal Mart got to where it was by giving a **** about KMart or that they are out help Target set up shop? It's not how the world works.

Who wants competiton from FCS or FCS start ups anyway. Most people view a step up as the compeition like UNC or NC state here. I sure as hell know they wouldn't help us move to a conference with them an that's the smart thing they should be doing.

there are plenty of examples in business. Yahoo helped google get started...nevermind

Here's my two cents:

Do I think we're going to CUSA? Not really. It is my preference, but I don't think it's happening.

Do I think it will push us into irrelevance? Not a chance. If we're still I-AA - which I don't think is happening - we'll continue to compete for national championships and draw 20K+ (which is better than half of CUSA, by the way). We'll still have a couple of national games on NBC Sports Net and a few other regional games. I also think our basketball teams will continue to be competitive in the CAA. I know it's a watered down CAA, but in mid-major terms relevance is defined by making the tournament and we'd have a pretty good shot.

If we're in Sun Belt or MAC - my preference is MAC - all of the above is true except for playing for national championships and instead of games on NBC Sports Net, they're on other regional networks - with the possibility of some ESPN. Our attendance may be a little better and we might expand our stadium - which ODU's AD even admitted was further along than they were. I also think that there would be mutual interest in the schools scheduling an annual rivalry game, like Tech and UVa used to have. That's an automatic OOC game that makes for easy travel and mutual fan interest.

I can't argue that CUSA doesn't provide a recruiting edge, but we've got some advantages too.

And there's always the argument that the Sun Belt was rated higher in football last year, but I'm not going to pretend like that's historically accurate.

i would bet you guys so quick to dismiss JMU really know nothing about us and have no idea what we offer.

ODU does. That's why they are pushing for us.

and the ODU-JMU end of season game would be probably the most heated game and biggest rivalry on the CUSA calendar.

Not sure why JMU wouldn't want to join the MAC instead of CUSA. It would be a closer group of schools and rivals and then they can move JMU to the MAC East and then Bowling Green to the MAC West and have a nice balance of 14 schools.

(04-10-2013 02:28 PM)mwp1023 Wrote:  Not sure why JMU wouldn't want to join the MAC instead of CUSA. It would be a closer group of schools and rivals and then they can move JMU to the MAC East and then Bowling Green to the MAC West and have a nice balance of 14 schools.

I would be fine with the MAC. We've had many discussions with them already. But they seem to have little inclination to add anyone right now.

(04-10-2013 01:35 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  Here's my two cents:

Do I think we're going to CUSA? Not really. It is my preference, but I don't think it's happening.

Do I think it will push us into irrelevance? Not a chance. If we're still I-AA - which I don't think is happening - we'll continue to compete for national championships and draw 20K+ (which is better than half of CUSA, by the way). We'll still have a couple of national games on NBC Sports Net and a few other regional games. I also think our basketball teams will continue to be competitive in the CAA. I know it's a watered down CAA, but in mid-major terms relevance is defined by making the tournament and we'd have a pretty good shot.

If we're in Sun Belt or MAC - my preference is MAC - all of the above is true except for playing for national championships and instead of games on NBC Sports Net, they're on other regional networks - with the possibility of some ESPN. Our attendance may be a little better and we might expand our stadium - which ODU's AD even admitted was further along than they were. I also think that there would be mutual interest in the schools scheduling an annual rivalry game, like Tech and UVa used to have. That's an automatic OOC game that makes for easy travel and mutual fan interest.

I can't argue that CUSA doesn't provide a recruiting edge, but we've got some advantages too.

And there's always the argument that the Sun Belt was rated higher in football last year, but I'm not going to pretend like that's historically accurate.

At least you view things in more than the scope of a year.

One of the cajun fans broke down performance in the SBC and the only take away was that you cannot expect anyone in the SBC to be consistently good. There are no dominant powers. There aren't really in CUSA either unless USM proves last year was just a fluke. I just find it laughable when App and GaSo fans keep claiming that the SBC is becoming a much better football conference than CUSA by citing last year as an example as though one year is an indicator of long term success in the future.

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:35 PM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  Here's my two cents:

Do I think we're going to CUSA? Not really. It is my preference, but I don't think it's happening.

Do I think it will push us into irrelevance? Not a chance. If we're still I-AA - which I don't think is happening - we'll continue to compete for national championships and draw 20K+ (which is better than half of CUSA, by the way). We'll still have a couple of national games on NBC Sports Net and a few other regional games. I also think our basketball teams will continue to be competitive in the CAA. I know it's a watered down CAA, but in mid-major terms relevance is defined by making the tournament and we'd have a pretty good shot.

If we're in Sun Belt or MAC - my preference is MAC - all of the above is true except for playing for national championships and instead of games on NBC Sports Net, they're on other regional networks - with the possibility of some ESPN. Our attendance may be a little better and we might expand our stadium - which ODU's AD even admitted was further along than they were. I also think that there would be mutual interest in the schools scheduling an annual rivalry game, like Tech and UVa used to have. That's an automatic OOC game that makes for easy travel and mutual fan interest.

I can't argue that CUSA doesn't provide a recruiting edge, but we've got some advantages too.

And there's always the argument that the Sun Belt was rated higher in football last year, but I'm not going to pretend like that's historically accurate.

At least you view things in more than the scope of a year.

One of the cajun fans broke down performance in the SBC and the only take away was that you cannot expect anyone in the SBC to be consistently good. There are no dominant powers. There aren't really in CUSA either unless USM proves last year was just a fluke. I just find it laughable when App and GaSo fans keep claiming that the SBC is becoming a much better football conference than CUSA by citing last year as an example as though one year is an indicator of long term success in the future.

It would be incredibly short-sighted to put all your eggs in the Sun Belt basket based on that year. I'm sure ADs are doing more than that and that's why the prefer CUSA.

(04-10-2013 12:01 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Lot of ECU fans said that as well when Holland started BFF-en you guys and UNCC. If [the ODU AD] is saying it more likely he means it.

I think you'll find 500 fans on the ODU message board who reject that assumption.