Forgive me if this has been discussed ad naseum here. I rarely frequent this board. So, if for some reason the ACC lost teams to the B10 and/or SEC (which I am not convinced will happen), what do you think the ACC would do? Stand pat at 12? Add 2 - 4 teams? And if 4 teams for example, were added (assuming B10 and SEC added 2 teams each), who do you think they would be? Do you think Cincy and UConn are slam dunks? Do you think USF's and Temple's history with former BE teams would help them get in? Personally think the top ACC expansion targets in no particular order would be UC, UConn, USF, UCF, Temple, Navy, and possibly Houston. What say you, ACC fans.

Who knows exactly what route the BigTen or the SEC will take in the next wave of expansion, but also whos to say they don't go to other conferences instead of the ACC??? If I were Jim Delany of the BigTen I would go after Missouri and Kansas as my 15th & 16th teams. I don't think the SEC has any kind of exit fee as well as GOR, and with that mentioned all contracts are meant to be broken so I don't think the BigTen would have issues helping Kansas out in order to add them from the Big12. Now for the SEC it would be simple IMO just go get Kansas State to replace Mizzu and then bring in Oklahoma with little brother ( OSU ) in tow for everyone would be happy including Texas who would most likely pursue the PAC12 or go Indy and be the Notre Dame of the South.

So really there is no guarantee that the ACC gets hit just due to Maryland leaving for that was a financial decision and nothing else. If that administration that put them in the read black what ever was still around they would have dropped every sport cept BB, FB & WBB I assure you. Just look at how many sports they dropped before the BigTen came along with their deep endless pockets of wealth. They were hurting big time for some cash, and now they have it end of story. So to say that the ACC is a target for the next wave is ridiculous for the Big12 IMO should be looking over their shoulders for that GOR's they have I assure you that contract isn't written in stone.

I could see them going after Missouri, UConn, and Boston College, but I think this would fit their footprint bestl:

Boston College
UConn
PSU
Maryland

The ACC would back-fill with Cincinnati or West Virginia.

(04-10-2013 12:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Forgive me if this has been discussed ad naseum here. I rarely frequent this board. So, if for some reason the ACC lost teams to the B10 and/or SEC (which I am not convinced will happen), what do you think the ACC would do? Stand pat at 12? Add 2 - 4 teams? And if 4 teams for example, were added (assuming B10 and SEC added 2 teams each), who do you think they would be? Do you think Cincy and UConn are slam dunks? Do you think USF's and Temple's history with former BE teams would help them get in? Personally think the top ACC expansion targets in no particular order would be UC, UConn, USF, UCF, Temple, Navy, and possibly Houston. What say you, ACC fans.

If the ACC loses 2, then it should stand at 12.
(Obviously unless ND wants to join)

Oh, don't get me wrong. I am FAR from convinced ACC is losing any teams. Most of it is just blog rumors, nothing more. I guess my question, is if for some reason they had to add teams, what is their expansion list. And in my personal humble opinion, the candidates would come from UC, UConn (obviously), USF (due to their strong ties to many ACC schools, caveat: if FSU leaves), UCF, and Temple. I would suggest Memphis and Houston have good qualities, but I think they are further down. Of course I could see ACC standing pat at 12 too. They could simply wait until schools truly merit inclusion (like Louisville did this go around). Just wanted to see what the consensus was, if there is any. IMO, I just don't see the ACC poaching any Big 12 or Big 10 teams, so they would have to come from AAC somewhere.

(04-10-2013 01:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Oh, don't get me wrong. I am FAR from convinced ACC is losing any teams. Most of it is just blog rumors, nothing more. I guess my question, is if for some reason they had to add teams, what is their expansion list. And in my personal humble opinion, the candidates would come from UC, UConn (obviously), USF (due to their strong ties to many ACC schools, caveat: if FSU leaves), UCF, and Temple. I would suggest Memphis and Houston have good qualities, but I think they are further down. Of course I could see ACC standing pat at 12 too. They could simply wait until schools truly merit inclusion (like Louisville did this go around). Just wanted to see what the consensus was, if there is any. IMO, I just don't see the ACC poaching any Big 12 or Big 10 teams, so they would have to come from AAC somewhere.

If the bubble burst and TV payouts bottomed out and everyone was mostly equal, then I can see the ACC going after PSU. The ACC could let PSU sell their own tier 3 programming and keep all of their profits and the ACC doesn't redistribute "excess" ticket sales. Both of those cost PSU millions every year.

It would also give PSU a chance to be in a better academic conference and a chance to play eastern schools and bigger rivals. PSU v OSU is one-way at best. PSU v Pitt is hatred at the very least.

Finally, PSU could rest easy knowing that they weren't going to get screwed on every close call, unlike in the B1G.*

However, that won't happen until the TV market cools down a LOT or basketball gets REALLY big. Even then, it might take ND joining.

*According to most PSU fans.

Depending on who the ACC could hypothetically lose, or not lose, there could be numerous teams. If the ACC were to lose 2, or even 4, then there's a possibility they wouldn't add any schools.

The top 4 current candidates would likely be...

Cincinnati
South Florida
Connecticut
UCF

I'd keep an eye on Old Dominion (Norfolk, VA) and Georgia State (Atlanta, GA). In a few years they could be viable options. And could potentially replace hypothetically lost ACC territory.

(04-10-2013 01:36 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Depending on who the ACC could hypothetically lose, or not lose, there could be numerous teams. If the ACC were to lose 2, or even 4, then there's a possibility they wouldn't add any schools.

The top 4 current candidates would likely be...

Cincinnati
South Florida
Connecticut
UCF

I'd keep an eye on Old Dominion (Norfolk, VA) and Georgia State (Atlanta, GA). In a few years they could be viable options. And could potentially replace hypothetically lost ACC territory.

As much as I would love to see it, I just can't see USF as a candidate until FSU leaves. And if FSU leaves, that probably means others have left. I hope I am wrong. I agree with you about ODU. Watch for ODU in about 3-4 years. I actually expect them to be added to the AAC in a few years. They're one of my sleepers to keep an eye on. GA St. is far down the list. They can't draw flies to the GA dome and are very bad. There is about 12 teams ahead of GA st. At least.

(04-10-2013 01:36 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Depending on who the ACC could hypothetically lose, or not lose, there could be numerous teams. If the ACC were to lose 2, or even 4, then there's a possibility they wouldn't add any schools.

The top 4 current candidates would likely be...

Cincinnati
South Florida
Connecticut
UCF

I'd keep an eye on Old Dominion (Norfolk, VA) and Georgia State (Atlanta, GA). In a few years they could be viable options. And could potentially replace hypothetically lost ACC territory.

We already have George Tech in Atlanta, two Florida schools and two Virginia Schools. UConn and UC adds two new markets.

IF 1 of either FSU or Miami leaves the ACC (and no other), then USF becomes a viable candidate to replace them.

IF 2 Teams left the ACC, we stay at 12.

IF 1 team leaves not named FSU or Miami, OR if Notre Dame joins for football, then we look at adding 1 of the following (more or less in this order, IMO):

Cincinnati
Temple
UConn
Navy
USF
UCF
Tulane
Memphis

So practically speaking, for USF to be invited to join the ACC, either FSU or Miami would have to leave first. I wouldn't see 3 teams in Florida - but if the TV revenue model changes signifcantly (e.g. ala carte instead of package deals) then I suppose it could happen...

If we lost 2, we would simply go to 16 by adding Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, and Penn State and have a 9 game conference schedule.

Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, and Oklahoma would be "floaters" in football and full members in everything else. They would play 4 teams a year as an unofficial 10th game. They would share bowl revenue unless they made a BCS bowl, but they couldn't take the ACC's spot in either the Orange Bowl or the Sugar Bowl (we would get a Sugar Bowl tie-in too). Our conference basketball tourney would consist of the top 16 teams, and it would be held in Atl, NC (in various locations), DC, and NYC (@MSG). The conference football championship game will be played on a rotating schedule between Miami (OB), DC, the Meadowlands, and whatever city is hosting the Super Bowl. Finally, the ACC will form it's own network, which it will called "The ACC on ABC," or simply "abc" for short.

I dont know why Memphis comes up but the only way that school ends up in the Acc if a similar fate that happened to the BE comes upon the Acc. That school is terrible academically, and does absolutely nothing for Acc fb. Their BB has been way down since Calipari left.

(04-10-2013 02:32 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  If we lost 2, we would simply go to 16 by adding Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, and Penn State and have a 9 game conference schedule.

Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, and Oklahoma would be "floaters" in football and full members in everything else. They would play 4 teams a year as an unofficial 10th game. They would share bowl revenue unless they made a BCS bowl, but they couldn't take the ACC's spot in either the Orange Bowl or the Sugar Bowl (we would get a Sugar Bowl tie-in too). Our conference basketball tourney would consist of the top 16 teams, and it would be held in Atl, NC (in various locations), DC, and NYC (@MSG). The conference football championship game will be played on a rotating schedule between Miami (OB), DC, the Meadowlands, and whatever city is hosting the Super Bowl. Finally, the ACC will form it's own network, which it will called "The ACC on ABC," or simply "abc" for short.

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Please, put down the mouse and call the drug abuse hotline NOW!

(04-10-2013 02:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  I dont know why Memphis comes up but the only way that school ends up in the Acc if a similar fate that happened to the BE comes upon the Acc. That school is terrible academically, and does absolutely nothing for Acc fb. Their BB has been way down since Calipari left.

TRUE. Memphis is a disaster scenario (unless they improve by leaps and bounds in both academics and athletics)

(04-10-2013 02:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:32 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  If we lost 2, we would simply go to 16 by adding Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, and Penn State and have a 9 game conference schedule.

Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, and Oklahoma would be "floaters" in football and full members in everything else. They would play 4 teams a year as an unofficial 10th game. They would share bowl revenue unless they made a BCS bowl, but they couldn't take the ACC's spot in either the Orange Bowl or the Sugar Bowl (we would get a Sugar Bowl tie-in too). Our conference basketball tourney would consist of the top 16 teams, and it would be held in Atl, NC (in various locations), DC, and NYC (@MSG). The conference football championship game will be played on a rotating schedule between Miami (OB), DC, the Meadowlands, and whatever city is hosting the Super Bowl. Finally, the ACC will form it's own network, which it will called "The ACC on ABC," or simply "abc" for short.

DUDE, JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!
Please, put down the mouse and call the drug abuse hotline NOW!

(04-10-2013 02:38 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  I dont know why Memphis comes up but the only way that school ends up in the Acc if a similar fate that happened to the BE comes upon the Acc. That school is terrible academically, and does absolutely nothing for Acc fb. Their BB has been way down since Calipari left.

TRUE. Memphis is a disaster scenario (unless they improve by leaps and bounds in both academics and athletics)

Fine. I know that Alabama, Penn State, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Michigan are unlikely to get an ACC invite, but I didn't want to make them feel bad, so I included them anyway. I thought that it would be the nice thing to do. Anyway, I figured they needed a win in life.

(04-10-2013 01:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Oh, don't get me wrong. I am FAR from convinced ACC is losing any teams. Most of it is just blog rumors, nothing more. I guess my question, is if for some reason they had to add teams, what is their expansion list. And in my personal humble opinion, the candidates would come from UC, UConn (obviously), USF (due to their strong ties to many ACC schools, caveat: if FSU leaves), UCF, and Temple. I would suggest Memphis and Houston have good qualities, but I think they are further down. Of course I could see ACC standing pat at 12 too. They could simply wait until schools truly merit inclusion (like Louisville did this go around). Just wanted to see what the consensus was, if there is any. IMO, I just don't see the ACC poaching any Big 12 or Big 10 teams, so they would have to come from AAC somewhere.

If the bubble burst and TV payouts bottomed out and everyone was mostly equal, then I can see the ACC going after PSU. The ACC could let PSU sell their own tier 3 programming and keep all of their profits and the ACC doesn't redistribute "excess" ticket sales. Both of those cost PSU millions every year.

It would also give PSU a chance to be in a better academic conference and a chance to play eastern schools and bigger rivals. PSU v OSU is one-way at best. PSU v Pitt is hatred at the very least.Finally, PSU could rest easy knowing that they weren't going to get screwed on every close call, unlike in the B1G.*

However, that won't happen until the TV market cools down a LOT or basketball gets REALLY big. Even then, it might take ND joining.

*According to most PSU fans.

Most PSU fans would prefer not play Pitt at all... that sort of rivalry is more fun to them.

texas + cincy

(04-10-2013 01:29 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  PSU v Pitt is hatred at the very least.

(04-10-2013 03:31 PM)7fielder Wrote:  Most PSU fans would prefer not play Pitt at all... that sort of rivalry is more fun to them.

So, are you saying Penn State fans hate Pittsburgh so much that they don't want to play you?

(04-10-2013 12:08 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Forgive me if this has been discussed ad naseum here. I rarely frequent this board. So, if for some reason the ACC lost teams to the B10 and/or SEC (which I am not convinced will happen), what do you think the ACC would do? Stand pat at 12? Add 2 - 4 teams? And if 4 teams for example, were added (assuming B10 and SEC added 2 teams each), who do you think they would be? Do you think Cincy and UConn are slam dunks? Do you think USF's and Temple's history with former BE teams would help them get in? Personally think the top ACC expansion targets in no particular order would be UC, UConn, USF, UCF, Temple, Navy, and possibly Houston. What say you, ACC fans.

There are just too many variables in your scenario.
If you gave us the teams that were going away it would be easier to give you an answer.

The University of Toronto! Syracuse needs a travel partner...

ND should be the first choice for just about everyone because if it wasn't realistic, the ACC never would have given them partial membership. With ND, I'm hoping for Cincy. Then we'll have a WVA sized hole in our footprint.