(04-10-2013 02:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Every team above 12 that CUSA added would have still been available to them if they were raided and needed to reload to get back up to 12. There was no point in adding a 13th and 14th team before being raided.

But with a history of being an NCAA tourney multi-appearance conference, CUSA seems to take the prospect of having multiple-bid BBall seasons more seriously than the MAC or Sunbelt. They only got one bid this season while the Sunbelt got two ... and while they are losing their tourney rep next season, they are acquiring both of the Sunbelt's tourney representatives over the next two years.

I don't know at what point a conference gives up chasing that, but a strategy that was successful in raising the average number of appearance by 1 would be worth $1.5m on its own.

(04-10-2013 02:22 PM)DrEvilGuapo Wrote:  One other interesting point I should share based on what I've heard. This little tidbit may explain why C-USA is even entertaining the 16-team model.

As has been discussed (correctly) in this thread, a conference is allocated $1 million per member school up to a $12 million maximum.

It is the discretion of the conference how to allocate that money internally. At least two Gof5 conferences (C-USA and MWC) are discussing the possibility of performance-based distributions of that money within the conference.

I doubt either decides to do so as it sets a bad precedent for membership harmony. Moreover, it would behoove the MWC (especially) to share this revenue equally as there is already inequity in their television revenue sharing model.

Actually for the MW team, it gives a better incentive to improved the football team. Payout can be as high as $4.6 million with the 50/50 split of the $6 million with the conference split and having the MW the highest ranked conference. That is on top of the TV money that can be added and make more or less a $6 million payout possible.

(04-10-2013 01:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Gee seems like I pointed this out weeks ago that going to 12 wasn't going to increase the per team dollars for the current SBC teams.

no offense but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know the Power 5 weren't goning to keep raining millions of dollars on the Go5 conferences for promoting more FCS schools. I knew the Idaho AD was full of it (or that was a poorly interpreted / written article) as soon as I read that nonsense.

(04-10-2013 01:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:20 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  So is this why the Sun Belt is so adamant on getting to 12 teams? To maximize the payout?

makes no sense in a lot of ways- no difference per team payout at 10 vs 12.

going to 12 gets you a CCG and a bit more TV money, plus it allows for division to cut travel costs in a spread out conference. Makes all the sense in the world. You can go to 12 and still see the same revenue per school. Go above 12, like CUSA and MAC, did and you see splits to each school cut.

this almost guarantees everyone in the G5 will try to hold at 12 as the ideal number to maximize revenue. I don't see anyway the sun belt, MWC or AAC goes over 12 members now

It seems like every conference will have enough money to compete. The AAC is probably the top of the GO5 based on their TV deal, exit fees, and tournament credits. The AAC and the Mountain West make up the middle class of college football because there is a good chance they finish one and two every season in the GO5 rankings while earning the bowl bid too.

Question for the board what was the old Big East's payout under the BCS?

(04-10-2013 02:30 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Gee seems like I pointed this out weeks ago that going to 12 wasn't going to increase the per team dollars for the current SBC teams.

no offense but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know the Power 5 weren't goning to keep raining millions of dollars on the Go5 conferences for promoting more FCS schools. I knew the Idaho AD was full of it (or that was a poorly interpreted / written article) as soon as I read that nonsense.

All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

(04-10-2013 02:30 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  no offense but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know the Power 5 weren't goning to keep raining millions of dollars on the Go5 conferences for promoting more FCS schools. I knew the Idaho AD was full of it (or that was a poorly interpreted / written article) as soon as I read that nonsense.

Somewhere on this board I've got a recent comment that I'd believe it more if I heard it from a MAC or CUSA AD, since it the formula was $1m per school up to a $12m total for the conference, its effectively just $1m per school for the Sunbelt as a conference under the cap and requiring more schools to reach 12.

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

Mountain West is almost all WAC, either in the split, as part of the WAC decline, or refugees from the final WAC FBS football season. The MAC has seen two full members and three FB-only members transitioned in the the past twenty years, so that's an average of about one every four years ~ and three of those five moved on after 3yrs, 5yrs, and 8yrs in the conference.

(04-10-2013 02:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just thought of this...

lets say CUSA goes to 16.

Then say UConn/Cincy get called up to the big 5....

CUSA being at 16 is going to make schools WANT to jump to the AAC.. Get 250k more right off the top before any TV difference. It's like CUSA is signing it's own death certificate by being at 16.

They are going to want to go to AAC anyway. AAC has more TV and NCAA credit money than CUSA. This will only make it more of a slam dunk.

(04-10-2013 02:30 PM)billings Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:20 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  So is this why the Sun Belt is so adamant on getting to 12 teams? To maximize the payout?

makes no sense in a lot of ways- no difference per team payout at 10 vs 12.

going to 12 gets you a CCG and a bit more TV money, plus it allows for division to cut travel costs in a spread out conference. Makes all the sense in the world. You can go to 12 and still see the same revenue per school. Go above 12, like CUSA and MAC, did and you see splits to each school cut.

this almost guarantees everyone in the G5 will try to hold at 12 as the ideal number to maximize revenue. I don't see anyway the sun belt, MWC or AAC goes over 12 members now

During his Sunbelt press conference Karl Benson mentioned that the TV package will be reworked with the CCG and the additions to the conference coming in.

(04-10-2013 01:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:26 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:20 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  So is this why the Sun Belt is so adamant on getting to 12 teams? To maximize the payout?

Seems it gave them a reason to add the two FB only members...which is probably a good thing overall.

At this point adding App State and Ga Southern hasn't really diluted the FBS ...and most of the other adds to FBS (Ga State, UTSA, USA, Texas State, ODU and Charlotte) appear to serious about being competitive from a monetary standpoint. But how many new schools can be added without serious dilution of the quality of programs at the lower levels. That will be at least 8 new schools added in less than a five year period.

You forgot about UMass as well. So 9 new schools added in less than a five year period, and 2 more could be on the way if CUSA goes to 16 for some reason.

They added a net of 3 schools from 1983-1995, they added 9 schools from 1995-2004, 2 in 2006, WKU in 2009 and 9 more from 2012-2015. And 7 of those most recent 12 are startup programs-FAU, FIU, UTSA, GA St., ODU, UNCC, USA.

(04-10-2013 02:32 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  It seems like every conference will have enough money to compete. The AAC is probably the top of the GO5 based on their TV deal, exit fees, and tournament credits. The AAC and the Mountain West make up the middle class of college football because there is a good chance they finish one and two every season in the GO5 rankings while earning the bowl bid too.

Question for the board what was the old Big East's payout under the BCS?

About $23M last year and should be a smidge more this year.

(04-10-2013 02:24 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Also remember that this is a Dennis Dodd article. Math is not his strong suit. He makes lots of errors regarding dollar amounts.

True, but...

Everything makes sense now. The Idaho AD or the interviewer got the $1 million piece without the whole picture. Benson mentioned going to 12 to get maximum $. Basically its $1 million per school up to 12 schools. With everyone at 12 or more (which they were for about a week), its divided equally.

Anything beyond the $60 million (or $59 million if one conference has l1 or $58 if one conference has 10-or two have 11...) goes into the other allocation pool.

(04-10-2013 02:32 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  It seems like every conference will have enough money to compete. The AAC is probably the top of the GO5 based on their TV deal, exit fees, and tournament credits. The AAC and the Mountain West make up the middle class of college football because there is a good chance they finish one and two every season in the GO5 rankings while earning the bowl bid too.

Question for the board what was the old Big East's payout under the BCS?

About $20 million/year. They were eligible for bonuses for getting a second school in or making the NCG, which of course they never reached.

If the AAC is the number one G5 conference and qualifies for the Access Bowl, it would be earning about the same on a per school basis as the BE did under the BCS. Of course, the Contract Conferences will be earning $5-8 million per school under the new system.

making the title game in the old system wasn't a bonus per se. Where it was a bonus was where the conference got a 2nd BCS team in addition to the team making the title game.

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:30 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Gee seems like I pointed this out weeks ago that going to 12 wasn't going to increase the per team dollars for the current SBC teams.

no offense but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know the Power 5 weren't goning to keep raining millions of dollars on the Go5 conferences for promoting more FCS schools. I knew the Idaho AD was full of it (or that was a poorly interpreted / written article) as soon as I read that nonsense.

All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

UConn like Venus arose from the waters fully formed having never been in I-AA.

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:30 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Gee seems like I pointed this out weeks ago that going to 12 wasn't going to increase the per team dollars for the current SBC teams.

no offense but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know the Power 5 weren't goning to keep raining millions of dollars on the Go5 conferences for promoting more FCS schools. I knew the Idaho AD was full of it (or that was a poorly interpreted / written article) as soon as I read that nonsense.

All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

Fully understood but we're grouped together nonetheless. MAC, CUSA and SBC have all promoted from FCS with SBC being the biggest offender. Actually.... the Big East DID promote UConn from FCS come to think of it. Granted they were a founding member & hoops power so it's a bit of a special case.

(04-10-2013 03:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:30 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 01:57 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Gee seems like I pointed this out weeks ago that going to 12 wasn't going to increase the per team dollars for the current SBC teams.

no offense but it didn't take a rocket scientist to know the Power 5 weren't goning to keep raining millions of dollars on the Go5 conferences for promoting more FCS schools. I knew the Idaho AD was full of it (or that was a poorly interpreted / written article) as soon as I read that nonsense.

All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

UConn like Venus arose from the waters fully formed having never been in I-AA.

And just last year the Big East was trying to get Villanova to move from FCS...

(04-10-2013 03:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

UConn like Venus arose from the waters fully formed having never been in I-AA.

UConn is one of those border cases, since they were a 1-A independent when they joined the Old Big East, but they'd only been a 1-A football program for four years. If you reckon they'd never have promoted from 1-AA to 1-A without expecting to get into the Old Big East, its a kind of transition.

Sounds like a way to pressure the Go5 conferences from inviting enough FCS move-ups to create a voting majority in the FBS.

(04-10-2013 03:43 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 03:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 02:34 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  All "G5" conferences are not promoting FCS schools. I've yet to see the BE/AAC invite an FCS school. They always get their teams from CUSA. I don't think the MWC has either, but I could be wrong.

UConn like Venus arose from the waters fully formed having never been in I-AA.

UConn is one of those border cases, since they were a 1-A independent when they joined the Old Big East, but they'd only been a 1-A football program for four years. If you reckon they'd never have promoted from 1-AA to 1-A without expecting to get into the Old Big East, its a kind of transition.

UConn was never I-A. They were College Divison I (roughly a Division II / I-AA hybrid in football), then Division II in football until 1978 when they went I-AA, and then moved I-A in 2000. They weren't one of the eastern independents they played football in the Yankee from 1947 until it merged into the A10