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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-13-2013 01:56 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 12:55 PM)odufansam Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 09:27 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  JMU will be FBS by 2015. ODU knows that, and would simply prefer to have someone in the conference closer than 330 miles. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some ODU fans may think that, but there are a good amount that loved the rivalry that was developing. JMU football has a solid fan base and a solid team that would only get better moving up another level. Throw that in with the fact that Harrisonburg is centrally located between Marshall, Charlotte and ODU (not exactly, but close) and I think CUSA has enough of a case for including them.

The only detriment is the media market, but I feel like that card is being overplayed too much.

Another detriment is adding JMU is going to push either MT, WKU, or one of the Florida schools into the west. I don't think any will be all that happy if that happens.

Not unless 2 are added from the east. If JMU joins plus one of ASU or ULL, then the split will still be at UAB. MT and WKU would both stay east.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-13-2013 02:00 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 12:02 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 10:16 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  You're right that ODU doesn't register in DC but that's ok. ODU exists in a large market with zero competition.

Va Tech, UVA, and UNC are more important in Hampton Roads than ODU.

Of course they are. ODU is also behind the University of Vietnam, Nova Scotia Community College and every middle school in Idaho.

Thanks for taking the time to post such valuable insight.

Take your smart ass comments to your own fan base. I was responding to the genius comment "ODU exists in a large market with zero competition." which we both agreed is not true.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-13-2013 01:23 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-13-2013 12:55 PM)odufansam Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 09:27 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  JMU will be FBS by 2015. ODU knows that, and would simply prefer to have someone in the conference closer than 330 miles. Nothing more, nothing less.

Some ODU fans may think that, but there are a good amount that loved the rivalry that was developing. JMU football has a solid fan base and a solid team that would only get better moving up another level. Throw that in with the fact that Harrisonburg is centrally located between Marshall, Charlotte and ODU (not exactly, but close) and I think CUSA has enough of a case for including them.

The only detriment is the media market, but I feel like that card is being overplayed too much.

I agree.

Yep, the media market is just about irrelevant in the SBC or CUSA. That stuff matters in the big five conferences.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
If CUSA adds a Georgia team, it would, unfortunately, be Georgia State.

I think having JMU and Louisiana Rajun Cajuns added to the conference would be pretty cool.
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ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
To hell with the market ... I'd add JMU just because of the smack talk

Id add Georgia State for the easy win.
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The smack talk would be like none other....hahaha

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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-14-2013 12:24 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  To hell with the market ... I'd add JMU just because of the smack talk

Id add Georgia State for the easy win.

[Image: 1232903709_samuel%20l%20jackson%20-%20ba...20mofo.gif]

...even if true
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
FYI, we have currently registered:

9,900 Alumni in DC/Nova.
3,500 Richmond
Also an Atlanta chapter but doesn't list member totals.

So we both share an equal portion of the DC market I guess.

I am not against anything JMU brings to the table, at all. Enjoyed the budding rivalry in football! But I just don't see them getting an invite this go around. At least not CUSA. The options are leaning towards western teams for all the reasons stated already. If you go Sunbelt I am sure you will be at the top in no time.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-12-2013 01:25 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:43 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 10:56 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Adding James Madison makes no sense. It is another start up FBS program and the basketball while they made the tournament is nothing special.

CUSA just added a team in Virginia in ODU. There is no need for two. If a team is added to the East, it should be a team from Georgia.

Besides that, the only way 16 makes any sense is to keep UAB in the East. Adding another East team just makes the situation worse. Arkansas State and ULL would be better adds for football and are in the West. Brings 1 new state and would rather have 2 LA schools than 2 VA schools.

ODU controls the SE portion of VA. They get little to no play in Central Va or Northern Va/DC. JMU brings both Richmond AND NoVa/DC into play. If the CUSA takes JMU, it will be because they want access to DC and want to tap into a growing fanbase.

I think you overstate JMU's relavance in the DC TV market. When I lived there JMU was an after thought. They were clearly behind the following schools; UVA, VT, Georgetown, Maryland, George Washington and George Mason. It seemed JMU didn't get more play than American, Hopkins or Richmond to be honest. And that was before the rise of VCU's basketball program.

Now is it possible they are more visible now? Sure. But I'd be suprised if they had surpassed any of the first 6 schools I mentioned in terms of market relevance.

haha. irrelevance is ODU in any other part of the state but the 757.

Having lived in NoVa for 30+ years, not just passing through for a couple years, I can tell you the JMU presence is very strong. And much more than GW, Maryland and on par with GMU, despite that school being in NoVa.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-12-2013 02:15 PM)Ragu Wrote:  [quote='JMU2004' pid='9227750' dateline='1365790863']
[quote='Ragu' pid='9227704' dateline='1365790254']
Again explain to me how adding JMU helps with the UAB to the East problem? Also want to let me know the benefit of adding another VA team from the East instead of a team in fricken Georgia?

because the team in Georgia has absolutely zero support.

this media market thing has become so overplayed and out of control its not even funny.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-12-2013 02:32 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  [quote='JMU2004' pid='9227945' dateline='1365794027']
[quote='ODU2003' pid='9227766' dateline='1365791137']
[quote='JMU2004' pid='9227604' dateline='1365788626']
[quote='Ragu' pid='9227139' dateline='1365782201']

JMU doesn't register in DC. You can't ignore basketball schools like Georgetown because even during football season their basketball team still gets more coverage than JMU football. JMU gets better coverage in Hampton Roads than they do in DC.

says an ODU fan living in "Pac12 country"

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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-12-2013 04:45 PM)monarchman Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 03:59 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 03:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:45 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  lol....whatever makes you feel better.

Just keep spouting nonsense without facts. I know 30k is a lot in Harrisonburg, VA but it's not even 1% of the DC metro population.

nice dig! I'm curious how someone who claims to live in "PAC-12 country" has any idea of the coverage JMU gets in DC?

FACT: If CUSA wants to get into Central/Western/Northern VA/DC JMU is the only option on the table. ODU doesn't provide those markets. That's not nonsense, and I'm not spouting anything off. I'm not saying CUSA will go to 16, or that JMU will be the choice if they do.

I don't dispute that ODU doesn't carry the Richmond or DC markets but I'm not convinced JMU does either. A quick search turns up we have about 3,500 alumni in the Richmond area and JMU has about 10,000. ODU has 10,000 in the DC market, JMU has 30,000 by your count.
But neither ODU or JMU "moves the needle" in those markets from anything I've ever seen. And discounting GMU, GWU or Georgetown by stating this is football only is not really accurate. Georgetown basketball is a known brand in the DC market (nationally too) and gets media attention. JMU football and basketball combined doesn't doesn't get a fraction of the coverage that Georgetown Basketball does in the DC market.

I've seen similar comments from people who live in Richmond about JMU position's but I'm not as familiar with that market and the heirarchy.

So when you say CUSA can add JMU to go into the Richmond and DC markets, many of us here just don't see it that way.

Well put.

JMU gets Some coverage in Richmond and Some coverage in Hampton Roads. But certainly far less coverage than VCU, UR, UVA, and Tech in Richmond.

But to say they bring the DC market is preposterous. It is last fiddle after Pro Sports, Georgetown, Maryland, GMU, VT, UVA, Ect.

It is another niche in the DC college sports scene just as there are with the many collegiate followings in that area.

Lastly, ODU's fanbase is only growing. It WILL continue to grow in the other regions of the state, and the administration has made a concerted effort for that.

CUSA does not need any more Virginia schools.

oh, I didn't realize ODU cornered the market on "expanding" fan bases.

JMU has gone from 10,000 students to 20,000 students (undergrad - not the graduate school type that has no loyalty to there MBA school)...in a decade.

so twice as many alumni leaves no room for an "expanding" fan base? Sure, makes sense.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-12-2013 10:16 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 03:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:52 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:45 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:32 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  JMU doesn't register in DC. You can't ignore basketball schools like Georgetown because even during football season their basketball team still gets more coverage than JMU football. JMU gets better coverage in Hampton Roads than they do in DC.

lol....whatever makes you feel better.

Just keep spouting nonsense without facts. I know 30k is a lot in Harrisonburg, VA but it's not even 1% of the DC metro population.

nice dig! I'm curious how someone who claims to live in "PAC-12 country" has any idea of the coverage JMU gets in DC?

FACT: If CUSA wants to get into Central/Western/Northern VA/DC JMU is the only option on the table. ODU doesn't provide those markets. That's not nonsense, and I'm not spouting anything off. I'm not saying CUSA will go to 16, or that JMU will be the choice if they do.

I live somewhere besides DC now but I have resided in the District and metro area.

Your fact is completely made up and not supported by anything other than your need to see JMU as something it isn't.

You're right that ODU doesn't register in DC but that's ok. ODU exists in a large market with zero competition. The DC sports market is saturated. You haven't provided any reason why a school 2+ hours from DC, with an alumni base that equates to half a percent of the DC population, is suddenly going to become relevant in a market that currently doesn't know it exists.

Look I think JMU brings a lot to the table. The Sunbelt would be lucky to have you and I think JMU would likely rise to the top of that conference quickly. I'm not opposed to JMU coming to CUSA. But this JMU brings XYZ market argument is nonsense.


30+ years living in NoVa. You couldn't be more wrong.

but keep on keeping!
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-18-2013 09:30 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:32 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  [quote='JMU2004' pid='9227945' dateline='1365794027']
[quote='ODU2003' pid='9227766' dateline='1365791137']
[quote='JMU2004' pid='9227604' dateline='1365788626']
[quote='Ragu' pid='9227139' dateline='1365782201']

JMU doesn't register in DC. You can't ignore basketball schools like Georgetown because even during football season their basketball team still gets more coverage than JMU football. JMU gets better coverage in Hampton Roads than they do in DC.

says an ODU fan living in "Pac12 country"

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When a statement is true all you can do is attack the messenger. Nobody but JMU fans believe your University gets any attention in DC. Even someone living half way across the country can see it.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-18-2013 09:38 AM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  
(04-18-2013 09:30 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 02:32 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  [quote='JMU2004' pid='9227945' dateline='1365794027']
[quote='ODU2003' pid='9227766' dateline='1365791137']
[quote='JMU2004' pid='9227604' dateline='1365788626']
[quote='Ragu' pid='9227139' dateline='1365782201']

JMU doesn't register in DC. You can't ignore basketball schools like Georgetown because even during football season their basketball team still gets more coverage than JMU football. JMU gets better coverage in Hampton Roads than they do in DC.

says an ODU fan living in "Pac12 country"

01-wingedeagle

When a statement is true all you can do is attack the messenger. Nobody but JMU fans believe your University gets any attention in DC. Even someone living half way across the country can see it.


you better just come to terms with JMU in CUSA.
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(04-12-2013 10:16 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I'm not opposed to JMU coming to CUSA.


Reading comprehension. Good Luck getting an invite after your admin. whiff on your chance to ride our coattails last year.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
I was born and raised in northern Va. and a long time ago. I can tell you JMU was a presence then and obviously has only expended that presence since.

Let's keep in mind folks, it's not strictly the number of Alumni living there, it's their spouses, their parents, their kids their neighbors perhaps etc.

Case in point the people right down the street from me here, neither a college grad but quite successful and two really good kids. Their daughter was admitted Fall of 12 and *poof* mailbox flag, house flag, car stickers, the whole deal and better yet, JMU football season tickets.

And that happens + - 5,000 times a year. Every year. They're currently hoping the younger daughter gets in as well. You under estimate the JMU footprint across the Commonwealth.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
(04-18-2013 09:27 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 01:25 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 12:43 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2013 10:56 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Adding James Madison makes no sense. It is another start up FBS program and the basketball while they made the tournament is nothing special.

CUSA just added a team in Virginia in ODU. There is no need for two. If a team is added to the East, it should be a team from Georgia.

Besides that, the only way 16 makes any sense is to keep UAB in the East. Adding another East team just makes the situation worse. Arkansas State and ULL would be better adds for football and are in the West. Brings 1 new state and would rather have 2 LA schools than 2 VA schools.

ODU controls the SE portion of VA. They get little to no play in Central Va or Northern Va/DC. JMU brings both Richmond AND NoVa/DC into play. If the CUSA takes JMU, it will be because they want access to DC and want to tap into a growing fanbase.

I think you overstate JMU's relavance in the DC TV market. When I lived there JMU was an after thought. They were clearly behind the following schools; UVA, VT, Georgetown, Maryland, George Washington and George Mason. It seemed JMU didn't get more play than American, Hopkins or Richmond to be honest. And that was before the rise of VCU's basketball program.

Now is it possible they are more visible now? Sure. But I'd be suprised if they had surpassed any of the first 6 schools I mentioned in terms of market relevance.

haha. irrelevance is ODU in any other part of the state but the 757.

Having lived in NoVa for 30+ years, not just passing through for a couple years, I can tell you the JMU presence is very strong. And much more than GW, Maryland and on par with GMU, despite that school being in NoVa.

It seems as though you may have a touch of academic megalomania.

A quick google search of the following universities from washingtonpost.com over the last year. Number of hits:

Old Dominion University - 453
James Madison University - 1070
George Washington University - 21,600
University of Maryland - 49,500

So you can say the JMU presence is very strong but the DC media market doesn't really notice JMU (barely more than ODU which we all agree isn't pulling DC). Saying they are ahead of George Washington or Maryland is simply untrue outside of your own mind.
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RE: ODU lobbying for JMU to CUSA
sleeping fan base.....even the WP was shocked by the JMU response to our NCAA run. You'll see the same response once we move to FBS.

"No, the biggest surprise is how many people have thanked me for writing about the James Madison basketball team. Who knew? I sure didn’t. No one had ever previously asked for additional James Madison coverage, but now it’s a Duke Dog Fest all over the place. Start wearing purple, everybody."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-s...damn-time/

ODU fans think we bring no part of the DC market. It's not about us "dominating" the DC market.....it is just that JMU DOES provide a "foot in the door" for CUSA in DC. IF (and it is a huge if) CUSA wants even A LITTLE play in DC, JMU is the ONLY option for them.
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How much of the DC market does Towson or Delaware bring? With both being closer, wouldn't their respective schools bring just a little play as well?
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