Well BYU would work...for competitiveness/TV money but they don't help the geography. BL: Cincy and Ville were no brainers

(04-20-2013 12:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Well BYU would work...for competitiveness/TV money but they don't help the geography. BL: Cincy and Ville were no brainers

It's kind of pointless now. If Texas didn't want to keep their options open they would have expanded to 12 when they added WVU and TCU. They met the bare minimum to keep their TV revenue and kept few enough active members to dissolve if need be. They can't afford 12 and it has nothing to do with the payout. At 12 it takes placing 9 to dissolve and they can't do that easily. If they added 2 more then the last four in could block dissolution and since those would not be likely to be able find good homes easily (throw in Baylor) that is exactly what would happen and the Horns know it. If three conferences wanted to take from the Big 12 eight could be accommodated as the price for getting a larger share of the playoff money.

(04-20-2013 12:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:13 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Well BYU would work...for competitiveness/TV money but they don't help the geography. BL: Cincy and Ville were no brainers

It's kind of pointless now. If Texas didn't want to keep their options open they would have expanded to 12 when they added WVU and TCU. They met the bare minimum to keep their TV revenue and kept few enough active members to dissolve if need be. They can't afford 12 and it has nothing to do with the payout. At 12 it takes placing 9 to dissolve and they can't do that easily. If they added 2 more then the last four in could block dissolution and since those would not be likely to be able find good homes easily (throw Baylor) that is exactly what would happen and the Horns know it. If three conferences wanted to take from the Big 12 eight could be accommodated as the price for getting a larger share of the playoff money.

Good observation JR.

(04-20-2013 12:44 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:38 AM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 07:06 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 06:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  End of the day, the Big 12 screwed itself royally! Why do you say?

1) the Big 12 owned the name Big 14 and was down to 8 teams at its lowest point.
2) Should have gone to 14 teams with:

BYU
TCU
West Virginia
Pitt
Louisville
Cincinnati

Replace BYU with Memphis and I would agree with your list completely. Nothing against BYU but Memphis would have tied the entire conference together geographically and would have been a good add for basketball. The poor football product would improve being in a major conference especially with the large amount of talent around the Memphis area.

The misguided quest to bag the Golden Domers makes this missed opportunity all the more tragic.

I think that the next two invited to the Big 12 could be Cincinnati and Memphis

Do Cincy and Memphis add money to our TV contract? I'm not sure they do because they would be getting paid more than they are in the AAC. The Big 12 won't expand unless we can get a Florida St/Clemson type school. No one else adds value to our TV contract.

not sure if they do add money but they both serve as bridges to WVU and I think that issue may become more and more important since it doesn't look like any ACC teams will be moving conferences

Granted the GOR is 13 years or however long, it may not take that long before WVU starts making noise about possibly leaving

(04-20-2013 12:58 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:44 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:38 AM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 07:06 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 06:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  End of the day, the Big 12 screwed itself royally! Why do you say?

1) the Big 12 owned the name Big 14 and was down to 8 teams at its lowest point.
2) Should have gone to 14 teams with:

BYU
TCU
West Virginia
Pitt
Louisville
Cincinnati

Replace BYU with Memphis and I would agree with your list completely. Nothing against BYU but Memphis would have tied the entire conference together geographically and would have been a good add for basketball. The poor football product would improve being in a major conference especially with the large amount of talent around the Memphis area.

The misguided quest to bag the Golden Domers makes this missed opportunity all the more tragic.

I think that the next two invited to the Big 12 could be Cincinnati and Memphis

Do Cincy and Memphis add money to our TV contract? I'm not sure they do because they would be getting paid more than they are in the AAC. The Big 12 won't expand unless we can get a Florida St/Clemson type school. No one else adds value to our TV contract.

not sure if they do add money but they both serve as bridges to WVU and I think that issue may become more and more important since it doesn't look like any ACC teams will be moving conferences

Granted the GOR is 13 years or however long, it may not take that long before WVU starts making noise about possibly leaving

I can see that. But you have to have a lifeboat before you abandon ship.

(04-20-2013 12:58 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:44 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:38 AM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 07:06 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 06:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  End of the day, the Big 12 screwed itself royally! Why do you say?

1) the Big 12 owned the name Big 14 and was down to 8 teams at its lowest point.
2) Should have gone to 14 teams with:

BYU
TCU
West Virginia
Pitt
Louisville
Cincinnati

Replace BYU with Memphis and I would agree with your list completely. Nothing against BYU but Memphis would have tied the entire conference together geographically and would have been a good add for basketball. The poor football product would improve being in a major conference especially with the large amount of talent around the Memphis area.

The misguided quest to bag the Golden Domers makes this missed opportunity all the more tragic.

I think that the next two invited to the Big 12 could be Cincinnati and Memphis

Do Cincy and Memphis add money to our TV contract? I'm not sure they do because they would be getting paid more than they are in the AAC. The Big 12 won't expand unless we can get a Florida St/Clemson type school. No one else adds value to our TV contract.

not sure if they do add money but they both serve as bridges to WVU and I think that issue may become more and more important since it doesn't look like any ACC teams will be moving conferences

Granted the GOR is 13 years or however long, it may not take that long before WVU starts making noise about possibly leaving

Hey Bit,
No one gets that Mizzou and WVU actually love where we have landed. Everyone is trying to wish us both away...lol

Has WVU asked the Big 12 if they could go ahead and start receiving a full share of the revenue immediately in order to compensate for the travel hasseles? I mean, Maryland is getting upwards of $30m for "travel issues", why couldn't the Big 12 at least raise bump WVU to a full share?

(04-20-2013 01:31 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:44 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:38 AM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 07:06 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 06:34 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  End of the day, the Big 12 screwed itself royally! Why do you say?

1) the Big 12 owned the name Big 14 and was down to 8 teams at its lowest point.
2) Should have gone to 14 teams with:

BYU
TCU
West Virginia
Pitt
Louisville
Cincinnati

Replace BYU with Memphis and I would agree with your list completely. Nothing against BYU but Memphis would have tied the entire conference together geographically and would have been a good add for basketball. The poor football product would improve being in a major conference especially with the large amount of talent around the Memphis area.

The misguided quest to bag the Golden Domers makes this missed opportunity all the more tragic.

I think that the next two invited to the Big 12 could be Cincinnati and Memphis

Do Cincy and Memphis add money to our TV contract? I'm not sure they do because they would be getting paid more than they are in the AAC. The Big 12 won't expand unless we can get a Florida St/Clemson type school. No one else adds value to our TV contract.

More games means the conference could go back to the networks doesn't it? That's what the SEC did. The Cincy and Memphis TV markets are bigger than most of the existing Big XII TV markets.

No one cares about those markets. The Big 12 doesn't have a conference network so adding schools that average 20-30K means nothing in additional TV revenue.

(04-20-2013 08:00 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As a Cincinnati fan I am not holding my breath on the B12. It is clear the schools in the conference find us revolting. Sad to say they are looking at the name on the jersey and history from 20 years ago and not at what we bring today: large market, quality academics, large endowment, strong football and basketball programs, etc.

I have heard the argument we don't bring the tv sets before and shake my head. Last year UC played in the 3rd highest rated Thursday night game on ESPN and the 2nd highest rated Friday night game of the season. We played Duke in the Belk Bowl the ratings were up 22% from the Louisville-NC State game from the year before. Back in 2009 the UC-Pitt game scored a 4.4 rating which was more than the Ohio State-Penn State game from a few weeks before. We have 11M in the state of Ohio and while Ohio State rules the roost, people in this state will support other Ohio programs when they are doing well. Ohio is not like some other larger states that have 3-4 power conference schools- after 2014 they will just have one--- with 11M people.

With all those viewers, one would think Cincy has a 60K seat stadium to hold all those diehard Bearcat fans? Truth is Cincy averages under 30K most of the time. Sorry but you sound like a Houston Cougar fan. Fans of a true program will show up despite the opponent and the product on the field.

Heck, Tech fans broke an all-time average attendance record last season watching pine box destroy our home field advantage.

Sorry, I don't feed trolls. I've seen enough of your posts to understand you don't know are elbow from your...

(04-20-2013 01:29 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:58 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:44 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(04-20-2013 12:38 AM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-19-2013 07:06 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  Replace BYU with Memphis and I would agree with your list completely. Nothing against BYU but Memphis would have tied the entire conference together geographically and would have been a good add for basketball. The poor football product would improve being in a major conference especially with the large amount of talent around the Memphis area.

The misguided quest to bag the Golden Domers makes this missed opportunity all the more tragic.

I think that the next two invited to the Big 12 could be Cincinnati and Memphis

Do Cincy and Memphis add money to our TV contract? I'm not sure they do because they would be getting paid more than they are in the AAC. The Big 12 won't expand unless we can get a Florida St/Clemson type school. No one else adds value to our TV contract.

not sure if they do add money but they both serve as bridges to WVU and I think that issue may become more and more important since it doesn't look like any ACC teams will be moving conferences

Granted the GOR is 13 years or however long, it may not take that long before WVU starts making noise about possibly leaving

Hey Bit,
No one gets that Mizzou and WVU actually love where we have landed. Everyone is trying to wish us both away...lol

Some folks are never satisfied, because they're always looking around for grass they think is greener. What else is new?

(04-20-2013 03:54 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Sorry, I don't feed trolls. I've seen enough of your posts to understand you don't know are elbow from your...

When UC puts 55K plus in the stands to watch SMU, call us. When UC offers an additional 20 million plus to our TV contract, call us.

Until then, pine box flubby is content not playing big time nationally televised conference games.

I have seen pine box destroy a football program and I have a good feeling he is only collecting a pay check until its time to retire.

(04-17-2013 04:25 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  Teams with at least 1 tourney bid since 2000
Big 12 9 of 10
Big East 10 of 10
AAC 8 (includes Lville) out of 10
A10 9 of 13
ACC 15 of 15
CUSA 10 of 16
MVC 6 of 10
WCC 6 of 10
Teams with at least 1 tourney win since 2000
Big 12 9
Big East 9
AAC 6
A10 8
ACC 15
CUSA 5
MVC 5
WCC 6
Teams with a Sweet 16 appearance
Big 12 9
Big East 6
AAC 5
A10 5
ACC 12
CUSA 2
MVC 4
WCC 3
Teams with an Elite 8 appearance
Big 12 8
Big East 5
AAC 4
A10 3
ACC 6
CUSA 1
MVC 1
WCC 0
Teams with a Final 4 appearance
Big 12 5
BIg East 4
AAC 3
A10 2
ACC 5
CUSA 0
MVC 1
WCC 0

5 of 10 members with a Final 4 appearance since 2000 proves that your statements about the Big 12 sucking instead of Kansas or the Big 12 not being a major player except for Kansas are blatantly biased and wrong. Expand your viewing beyond the Eastern Sports Propaganda Network.

The Big 12 has one basketball title since it was formed in 1994, and it was won by none other than Kansas. The Big East has 5 during the same span. The SEC has 4. The ACC has 5. The Pac 12 even has 2. You can throw around your skewed numbers all you like but that doesn't obscure the fact that the Big 12 is CUSA plus Kansas. There's a reason why Kansas has won 9 straight conference titles. It's one team and a bunch of mid major level wannabes, like Gonzaga in the WCC.

I also like how you use "teams with a Final Four appearance" instead of "Final Four appearances by conference" too. It's cute. It shows me you realize you're screwing around with the numbers and you know you're wrong but you want to try and slip one by me. The Big 12 has a measly 6 total Final Four appearances since 2000, with half of those earned by Kansas alone, and only one of those appearances resulted in a championship. The Big East has 9 by comparison, with 4 of those resulting in a championship (if I went back one more year it would be 10 and 5; I also count West Virginia's Final Four appearance since they earned it while in the Big East). The Big 10 has 11 with one championship, and the ACC has 10 appearances with 5 championships. Keep in mind I can only find an arcitle that counts from 2000 onward, if I had time to go back and manually look up everything from 1994 onward it would look even worse.

Expand your viewing beyond the Longhorn Propaganda Network.