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RE: Strongest CFB Programs - players on NFL rosters
(04-15-2013 05:02 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-15-2013 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(04-15-2013 02:26 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  [quote='Captain Bearcat' pid='9228169' dateline='1365796935']

Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/

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This is also a pretty poor reference as it only includes active drafted players. There are a lot of undrafted free agents active in the NFL. A better source is http://espn.go.com/nfl/college

Wow, I didn't realize how many players were missing. I still like it as a list because it's still based on a uniform criteria, and it's easier to interpret and rank than ESPN's because it gives summary stats.

The difference is important in that I think it makes teams like Miami and ND look both better and worse. A talented ND/Miami player, due to exposure, is more likely to be drafted than a similarly talented guy playing for a mid-major who may slip through as an undrafted free agent. ND/Miami wind up with more guys on the original list which makes them look both more super-talented and more super-undercoached than they are in reality-although they have been both super-talented and super-undercoached :)

With scouts, combines and all the film available to the NFL today, I don't think this holds water, sorry.

The NFL knows where the players are and where they are not.

This isn't 1974 when only a few schools were on TV.

I think that this is a pretty good objective list of talent and coaching (or lack thereof) regarding the colleges and the number of NFL players it produces.
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RE: Strongest CFB Programs - players on NFL rosters
(04-12-2013 03:02 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The number of active NFL players is a good indicator of a program's current strength. It tells a lot about how good they've been over the past 2-10 seasons, but because elite players play longer it also gives extra credit to teams that were truly elite over the past 15 years.

This is far from a be-all-end-all ranking, but it's one that I haven't seen anyone on this site bring up before.


Analysis, and connection to reallignment:
The ACC is surprisingly strong, roughly tied with the Big 10 for 2nd. Other than Texas and Oklahoma, the Big 12 is surprisingly weak.

The AAC and MWC are practically tied. Their top schools (Cincinnati and Boise) are roughly at the median of Power 5 conference teams, and would be 3rd and 5th, respectively, if they were both added to the Big 12. Four teams in each conference are in double digits, something that 13 power conference schools fail to achieve.

Conspicuously missing is BYU, which only has 6 players on NFL rosters. This is tied with 2 D-1AA schools (ETSU and EIU). Overall the MAC is slightly ahead of C-USA and the Sun Belt. Troy (11) and CMU (9) score the highest within those three conferences, followed by Toledo (8), Marshall (7), and Kent State (7).

Here is every school with 10 or more NFL players in 2012, sorted by conference:
40 LSU
36 Georgia
29 Florida
26 Alabama
23 Auburn
22 South Carolina
22 Tennessee
21 Mississippi
17 Arkansas, Texas A&M ; 15 Missouri ; 11 Mississippi St.

29 Nebraska
28 Ohio St.
27 Iowa
25 Maryland
24 Michigan
20 Wisconsin
19 Purdue ; 17 Illinois, Penn St ; 15 Rutgers ;12 Michigan St.

41 Miami (FL)
22 Florida St.
21 Clemson
20 North Carolina
19 Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech ; 17 Louisville, Virginia ; 16 Pittsburgh ; 13 North Carolina St. ; 12 Boston Col. ; 11 Syracuse

41 USC
28 California
21 Oregon
16 Stanford, UCLA ; 15 Arizona St. ; 14 Arizona, Utah ; 12 Colorado ; 11 Oregon St.

34 Texas
21 Oklahoma
14 Oklahoma St. ; 13 TCU ; 11 Baylor, Kansas State, Texas Tech ; 10 West Virginia


28 Notre Dame
14 Cincinnati
14 Fresno St.
13 Boise St.
12 Troy
11 Hawaii
10 Central Florida
10 San Diego St.
10 South Florida
10 Temple

# of teams below 10 per conference: SEC (2), Big 10 (3), ACC (2), PAC (4), Big 12 (2)

Source: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/colleges/

ECU has 11 players in the NFL
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Damn, those SEC numbers are stout.
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Awesome post. Rutgers has 6-7 about to be added this draft - brings us into elite company. love it.

An interesting study would be who produces the most amount of NFL talent per the recruiting ranking that comes in. That is... Alabama, LSU, Miami, OSU, etc... always bring in top-rated classes, so it makes sense that they produce the most NFL talent.

....But what about teams that bring in mediocre recruiting ranked classes, but still churn out a lot of NFL talent. teams like Rutgers, Boise State, Cincinnati.

Thus, discovering which team is actually best at developing NFL talent. I think you would find that those 3 aforementioned teams are right at the top compared to what they are able to bring in. It's one thing if your average class averages 4 stars over the last 10 years, and you produce 30 NFL players VERSUS your average recruiting class averages 2.5 or 3 stars over the past 10 years, and you produce 15-20 NFL players.
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(04-15-2013 10:12 PM)TerryD Wrote:  With scouts, combines and all the film available to the NFL today, I don't think this holds water, sorry.

The NFL knows where the players are and where they are not.

This isn't 1974 when only a few schools were on TV.

I think that this is a pretty good objective list of talent and coaching (or lack thereof) regarding the colleges and the number of NFL players it produces.

No- you're wrong. How many NFL scouts show up at ND's pro day versus a team like San Diego State? There are definitely guys that get some exposure due to fortuitously having a few 1st/2nd round guys as teammates and turn that exposure into a 6th/7th round selection. That same marginal guy on a team that gets a handful of scouts at his school's pro-day is fighting an uphill battle. We're talking about a major difference for the guys who aren't invited to the big camps and are fighting for a late round selection.
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(04-16-2013 12:40 AM)rutgers4life Wrote:  Awesome post. Rutgers has 6-7 about to be added this draft - brings us into elite company. love it.

An interesting study would be who produces the most amount of NFL talent per the recruiting ranking that comes in. That is... Alabama, LSU, Miami, OSU, etc... always bring in top-rated classes, so it makes sense that they produce the most NFL talent.

....But what about teams that bring in mediocre recruiting ranked classes, but still churn out a lot of NFL talent. teams like Rutgers, Boise State, Cincinnati.

Thus, discovering which team is actually best at developing NFL talent. I think you would find that those 3 aforementioned teams are right at the top compared to what they are able to bring in. It's one thing if your average class averages 4 stars over the last 10 years, and you produce 30 NFL players VERSUS your average recruiting class averages 2.5 or 3 stars over the past 10 years, and you produce 15-20 NFL players.

Those data come out every year with each author crunching the data a little different. That is the area where Boise, TCU, and Utah were consistently top 5 while BCS busting.

Can't open the link but you can google:

The Best/Worst of Recruiting & Developing NFL Draft Picks -cfbmatrix.com › Special Features › ArticlesCached
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Arkansas State's pro day had scouts from 16 teams, half the NFL, to look at 14 players and of them 4 are probably getting a serious look. The other 10 would have to blow them away with unexpected results to be more than filler to the workout.

Let's not forget that a college on signing day makes decisions that are different from the NFL.

A college is projecting what that kid will be like in 2 year or 4 years. The number of true freshmen who play out of a signing class is very small, but in the NFL if you don't have a contribution to make as a rookie, they aren't signing you as a project. Sure they may sign you to a free agent deal and take you to camp when they are needing bodies but unless you are obviously better than someone on the opening day roster you are just a warm camp body. If you are merely equal to last year's 3rd round draft choice, you are probably going home, they've got too much tied up in the draft pick.
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(04-15-2013 02:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'll agree that not all NFL players are equal, but let's face it - just making it to the NFL says an awful lot about how good a player is. Only the very best college players make it into the NFL. As already mentioned, I think this shows that some teams have wasted talent due to poor coaching, while other schools have made the most of their talent through great coaching.

That is true, to get into the NFL you have to be very good.

(04-15-2013 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Not really. If your school produces a lot of mediocre NFL prospects, they'll only be on this list if they graduated in the last 1-2 years. If your school produces a lot of solid NFL players, you'll get everyone who graduated in the last 5-10 or more years.

You just need to be good enough to stay in the league, you might never play. There are plenty of players who spend five plus years in the league and have little to no impact whereas, in the same time period, you could have one player get ROY, MVP, a Super Bowl win, and Super Bowl MVP.
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